Why is sunday the sabbath? And do you keep the sabbath?

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If you reject ROMANS 2, which is everyone admits God's Word,
then who else are you rejecting ?

If you didn't read ROMANS 2, and are still rejecting God's Word, tch tch....
Romans 2 speaks about judging others, observing the life of an unbeliever and judging them are 2 different things. God does the judging we do the proclaiming of the Gospel. The gospel is highly offensive to all non believers.
 
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Romans 2 speaks about judging others, observing the life of an unbeliever and judging them are 2 different things. God does the judging we do the proclaiming of the Gospel. The gospel is highly offensive to all non believers.
So, by your post here, you seem to be admitting you have never read or you never understood ROMANS 2.

If you had read it, you would know who God SAYS is JUSTIFIED, in ROMANS 2, and who is NOT JUSTIFIED.
 
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So, by your post here, you seem to be admitting you have never read or you never understood ROMANS 2.

If you had read it, you would know who God SAYS is JUSTIFIED, in ROMANS 2, and who is NOT JUSTIFIED.
I have read Romans 2 and I fully understand it. It tells me that I don't need to keep the law because Jesus kept it and fulfilled it on my behalf.

It tells those who are under the law that they are condemned, and those who are Gods elect as I am that we are guaranteed salvation because we trust in Jesus to justify us.
 
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I have read Romans 2 and I fully understand it. It tells me that I don't need to keep the law because Jesus kept it and fulfilled it on my behalf.

It tells those who are under the law that they are condemned, and those who are God elect as I am that we are guaranteed salvation because we trust in Jesus to justify us.
Do you have access to ROMANS 2 ? If so, would you DARE post the verse(s) that say directly WHO is JUSTIFIED and who is NOT JUSTIFIED ?
 
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I'm a bit confused now, you still haven't admitted that you will continue to sin every day of your life no matter how hard you try to resist the temptation.

Some of the greatest men in the Bible were murderers and adulterers, so you don't need to feel too guilty about committing common everyday sins. God has already forgiven you for all past, present and future sins if you are a believer.
Good way to put it.
 
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Do you have access to ROMANS 2 ? If so, would you DARE post the verse(s) that say directly WHO is JUSTIFIED and who is NOT JUSTIFIED ?
It doesn't matter what Romans 2 says, Jesus trumps Paul every time if you think he's preaching another gospel. Jesus said, those who believe in Him shall be saved. He didn't say, those who keep the law perfectly shall be saved.
We will all continue to break the law until we drop dead, no matter how hard you try to keep the law. You are doomed to failure every single day, that's why Christ paid for all of our future sins as well as past and present.
I believe you have misunderstood what Paul is saying in Romans 2, it sounds like your believe that only those who keep the law will be saved. That's a common misconception.
 
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One commandment for all times, and the commandment hasn't changed one dot or one tittle. Of course Saturday the 7th day of the week.

How serious an infraction it is to worship God on a day other than the 7th? I'm not sure, but I can say, this is one sin that never seems to show up along with those mentioned as a salvation killer if done without repentance, and as a lifestyle.

Either way, why not ere on the safe end.
 
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It doesn't matter what Romans 2 says, Jesus trumps Paul every time if you think he's preaching another gospel. Jesus said, those who believe in Him shall be saved. He didn't say, those who keep the law perfectly shall be saved.
We will all continue to break the law until we drop dead, no matter how hard you try to keep the law. You are doomed to failure every single day, that's why Christ paid for all of our future sins as well as past and present.
I believe you have misunderstood what Paul is saying in Romans 2, it sounds like your believe that only those who keep the law will be saved. That's a common misconception.

You are wrong, we are expected to be good, or else. And to say because we don't keep Gods commandments perfectly, we need not worry if we don't keep them at all, goes completely against the following scripture that says we "must" be good, meaning of course, we must make a serious effort. I mean since we all sin, that's all it can mean.

John 5:28-29 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
 
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Your pastor apparently didn't know the truth. At least not about people who may be in sda. What you posted is prejudiced and often false about them.
Hi Brother .. i used to be a baptist ..I remember when we had a "revival" Each night we studied a different " cult" ..For example , one night Jehovah's Witness , the next night , SDA , and so forth ...The problem with this type of thinking is that it will only lead to pride . Paul's advice was " You who compare yourselves amongst yourselves are not wise . " We would have been much better off seeing where WE were falling short of the glory of God ..this would have possibly worked repentance and growth in our pilgrimage/following of Christ our Lord . And unfortunately , most groups do this ...The orthodox Jews think they have it right ..the JW's think they have it right ..the Amish think they have it right and Baptist think they have it right ..Theology taught through any seminary by design will only "pass" those who hold to "their" doctrines -theology ....seek wisdom which is from above ..do truth though it be different than tradition . Many congregations , because of financial concerns , play to a receptive audience of like minded believers . This is no different in many ways than the world and their tv stations . The scriptures say that iron sharpens iron . Grace ,peace and mercy in the authority(name) of Jesus Christ .
 
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You are wrong, we are expected to be good, or else. And to say because we don't keep Gods commandments perfectly, we need not worry if we don't keep them at all, goes completely against the following scripture that says we "must" be good, meaning of course, we must make a serious effort. I mean since we all sin, that's all it can mean.

John 5:28-29 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned. By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.
The same Jesus said, only God is good. If we are no good how can a no good person do good.

The only good that comes out of us is done by the Holy Spirit through us. We have no good in us to bring to the table, all we can offer is sin and corruption. That's why we must die and He must live, it's not an instant transformation. It takes time to starve out the old man, he cries all the time and begs to be fed.

We don't get the new glorified sinless body until we die, until then we will have to battle with the old man every day and he does win many battles.
 
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Hi Brother .. i used to be a baptist ..I remember when we had a "revival" Each night we studied a different " cult" ..For example , one night Jehovah's Witness , the next night , SDA , and so forth ...The problem with this type of thinking is that it will only lead to pride . Paul's advice was " You who compare yourselves amongst yourselves are not wise . " We would have been much better off seeing where WE were falling short of the glory of God ..this would have possibly worked repentance and growth in our pilgrimage/following of Christ our Lord . And unfortunately , most groups do this ...The orthodox Jews think they have it right ..the JW's think they have it right ..the Amish think they have it right and Baptist think they have it right ..Theology taught through any seminary by design will only "pass" those who hold to "their" doctrines -theology ....seek wisdom which is from above ..do truth though it be different than tradition . Many congregations , because of financial concerns , play to a receptive audience of like minded believers . This is no different in many ways than the world and their tv stations . The scriptures say that iron sharpens iron . Grace ,peace and mercy in the authority(name) of Jesus Christ .
Our pastor wasn't judging those who worship in the SDA Church, he was pointing out some crucial errors in it's teaching.

The SDA teaches that Jesus is not who He said He is, they portray a different Jesus just as many others like the Muslims do. We believe in the Jesus of the Bible, the SDA's believe in the Jesus of Ellen White. The Muslims believe in the Jesus of Mohammad, we let ever man be a liar and let God be true and you have a problem with us.

There is only one true Church, Gods people worship Him in many different denominations but there are many who worship the wrong God because they trust in a man who teaches them about a different god to the one in the Bible.
 
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One commandment for all times, and the commandment hasn't changed one dot or one tittle. Of course Saturday the 7th day of the week.

How serious an infraction it is to worship God on a day other than the 7th? I'm not sure, but I can say, this is one sin that never seems to show up along with those mentioned as a salvation killer if done without repentance, and as a lifestyle.

Either way, why not ere on the safe end.
The disciples of Christ established the Church, they decided to set aside Sunday as the lords day. Since Christ is the Lord of the Sabbath, you would think Christ would have corrected them if He had a problem with Sunday worship.

Christ fulfilled all of the old testament laws on our behalf, so we are not obliged to keep the old laws. The Disciples decided to make Sunday the Lords day and we continue to keep that day as the Lords day.

Every day should be devoted to serving the Lord, and one day should be set aside to cease work and fully devote our time to worship and study the scriptures.
 
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Every day should be devoted to serving the Lord, and one day should be set aside to cease work and fully devote our time to worship and study the scriptures.

And to not make any fires, have no heat, no cooking food and no light since fire was used for light back then.
 
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And to not make any fires, have no heat, no cooking food and no light since fire was used for light back then.
That's taking it too far, we saw what Jesus thought about those who take it too far. When He asked them what they would do if a Donkey fell into a ditch.
God understands that it's not always practical to keep the Sabbath to the letter, so He doesn't expect us to go to extremes as the Scribes and Pharisees taught.
 
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That's taking it too far, we saw what Jesus thought about those who take it too far.

So we can keep the rules we like about the Sabbath but ignore the rules we don't like? Sounds like what man likes to do :)

As I and others have said already, none of the Sabbath rules were for Christians and we aren't supposed to be keeping any of the old law nor the Sabbath since it's been fulfilled but if someone is going to keep it, they need to keep it all not just the easy parts else they make a mockery of it.
 
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So we can keep the rules we like about the Sabbath but ignore the rules we don't like? Sounds like what man likes to do :)

As I and others have said already, none of the Sabbath rules were for Christians and we aren't supposed to be keeping any of the old law nor the Sabbath since it's been fulfilled but if someone is going to keep it, they need to keep it all not just the easy parts else they make a mockery of it.
The Moral Law written in stone was not part of the Mosaic Law written on Parchment. The Law of Moses was fulfilled in Christ but the Moral Law written on stone will stand forever and ever. Keeping the Sabbath has been since the beginning and will also be kept in the New heavens and the New earth. Nowhere in the New Testament under grace does it say the Moral Law( that includes the Keeping of the Sabbath day) is Fulfilled, neither was it Prophesied that it would be.
 
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