Imminent Destruction of the United States

THE W said:

it's for the best..

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Perhaps the forgers in the Dark Ages knew about "photographic-negatives", or "laser-induced-holographic-imaging". Yep, it's a simple process to create such artifacts with a "future" technology. All you need to do is get up to 88 miles per hour ...

Thanks,
DaDad

DaDad said:

Glad to hear that your Happy being on the "opposite" side of the earth, safe from the One-World-Government, safe from any Tribulation era circumstances, and safe from any nuclear weapons, associated fallout, and collapsing infrastructure.

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All that tied to the US, huh? Dang, we're ever more important than I thought! Now of course, you have to use more than a little creativity to find a One World Government, or nuclear weapons or fallout, or any of that cool 20th century stuff in the Bible, but that never hindered a stalwart Lindseyite. <Laugh>

You'll do just fine whether you're in North America, South America, Europe, the Middle East, Near East, Asia, Africa, or the Pacific. It's not where you actually ARE that matters, but rather what you BELIEVE.

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I believe I'll get my eschatology from the Bible and not from the news media. But you may want to board up your windows and lay in a few cases of shotgun shells. I hear that Obama is the antichrist and the 12-member EU is planning a preemptive strike.

So mate, please be happy in EVERY circumstance which happens to SURPRISE you!

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I'll be surprised the first time an End Timer makes a prediction that is even vaguely true.

DaDad said:

Funny! I especially like the part about "Daniel's 70 weeks", which have VERY LITTLE IMPACT on how many years (maybe Zero, or maybe a Score) afterword, until the A/C duration of 42 months until the "end time" return of Jesus.

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Well that's a load off my mind.

But don't worry your "pretty" little head about such things. Leave them to those who are "wasting their time" studying the When, Why, and Wherefores.

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Precisely. Just keep me advised whenever a new "antichrist" appears so I can keep abreast of things. Wouldn't want to be worrying about a has-been AC, right?

PS Ain't no Rapture until the end of the Millennial Kingdom. But that's another discussion for another day.

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I have no interest in "the rapture", because it isn't in Scripture. The return of our Lord has always been what the Church has anticipated, not some doctrinal invention with no Scriptural basis.

Blood moons, that's the ticket...

Jipsah said:

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I'll be surprised the first time an End Timer makes a prediction that is even vaguely true.

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Oh, you'll be surprised! And from the likes of it, it'll be a "wonderful" surprise.

But just for the fun of it, let's pretend that "faith without works is dead". So are you doing anything more than "thinking", like maybe "prepping"? -- Nah, that was silly of me. What was I thinking?!? We don't need no stinking "badges"/"Prepping"/"Prophecy".

DaDad

DaDad said:

Oh, you'll be surprised! And from the likes of it, it'll be a "wonderful" surprise.

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So I have been assured, by a variety of folks who knew precisely when "the rapture" was going to occur. "Just wait, you'll be sorry," they tell me. And then their carefully calculated dates come and go, and if anyone is surprised it's them.

Their problem is simple. They say that they knew what our Lord says they don't, and He proves to be right and them to be wrong every time. If that ever turns out any other way then yeah, I'll be surprised. They get their "End Times" stuff from pop theology paperbacks designed to fatten the bank accounts of hucksters, jack-leg preachers who beat the End Times tub to keep the pews/collection plates full, and the secular news media. They only use the Bible as an adjunct, to provide "proof texts", generally pulled out of context and often having nothing whatsoever to do with what they're talking about, to make their flapdoodle sound like it has some kind of Biblical basis which in fact it does not. The result is what any computer geek can tell you - garbage in, garbage out. Their predictions prove, in 100% of cases, to be the veriest hogwash.

But just for the fun of it, let's pretend that "faith without works is dead". So are you doing anything more than "thinking", like maybe "prepping"? -- Nah, that was silly of me. What was I thinking?!? We don't need no stinking "badges"/"Prepping"/"Prophecy".

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So when St. James was talking about "works" what he meant was storing bottled water, hardtack, and jerky, building a shack in the woods, and trip wiring the defensive perimeter, zat it? You're right, I'm seriously neglecting "works" of that nature. If the minions of the OWG cut off my head then I'll be with the Lord, so it all works out, doesn't it?

Jipsah said:

... So when St. James was talking about "works" what he meant was storing bottled water, hardtack, and jerky, building a shack in the woods, and trip wiring the defensive perimeter, zat it? You're right, I'm seriously neglecting "works" of that nature. If the minions of the OWG cut off my head then I'll be with the Lord, so it all works out, doesn't it?

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As I said: We don't need no stinking "badges"/"Prepping"/"Prophecy".

In fact, exactly why did GOD waste so much paper and ink, AND MY TIME, with all this "prophecy" nonsense?

I DON'T NEED TO KNOW ANY OF THIS. -- Whew! When's GOD gonna learn ... ?

DaDad

DaDad said:

In fact, exactly why did GOD waste so much paper and ink, AND MY TIME, with all this "prophecy" nonsense?

I DON'T NEED TO KNOW ANY OF THIS. -- Whew! When's GOD gonna learn ...

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Hint: the prophecy is His, the claptrap that's attached to it by hucksters and jack-legs and general purpose nincompoops, isn't

Here's what our Lord said:
"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

"Oh, but we know!" the End Time buffs replied as one.

Yeah. So we've seen. Repeatedly.

They call us scoffers, and so we are. But it isn't "promise of His coming" we're scoffing at; we proclaim loudly, "Christ has died, Christ has risen, Christ will come again."

We scoff at the endless array of muppets who claim that they know when the Lord will return (oops, I meant "The Rapture") , that they know what even our Lord said that no one but the Father knows, That they have the schedule all worked out, yahta, yahta, yahta. Then their dates come, and go, and nothing happens, and the self-important wretches almost never even have the decency to admit that they've been absurdly, embarassingly, ridiculously wrong. They can't bring themselves to admit that they've been presumptuous, and had proclaimed their own notions and prejudices and fears as though they were the Word of God. So they claim they forgot to adjust for the procession of the equinoxes or the Doppler effect or continental drift or some such and announce a new can't miss date for "the Rapture". Or, alternately, they simply spiritualize the whole thing and say that it actually happened in Heaven or that only the unco holy can perceive it so there. Then they go right back to beatng the same old tub again.

Scoff at them? You better believe it.

So you know when "the Rapture" is coming, right? That's nice, just get in line with the rest of the folks who "know". They line up by predicted date, just to keep everything orderly. You can be thinking up your excuses while waiting your turn.

keras said:

Google it. The Aethiopian Sea was the ancient name for the Atlantic ocean. It is what Isaiah 18:1 refers to, not the African nation. That simply does not fit.
Shadowed with wings..... I see on Flightradar24,com, that there is a minimum of 6000 planes in the air over America, up to 10,000 at peak times.
The USA is what Isaiah 18 is prophesying about. Only those who live there can't accept it, because their cozy lifestyle will be no more.

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According to this website (website) and this map (map), the Aethiopian Sea was what is now referred to as the South Atlantic, not the North Atlantic. Which means it doesn't even touch the USA.

LastSeven said:

According to this website (website) and this map (map), the Aethiopian Sea was what is now referred to as the South Atlantic, not the North Atlantic. Which means it doesn't even touch the USA.

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The cartographers of the map you refer to, had their own name for the ocean- Atlantic, derived from Atlantis, the mythical city out there somewhere. They left Aethiopia in the Southern part, but all the ocean was called that by the ancients.
Your hasty denial of this, shows a desire to avoid any hard truths that may, shock horror; actually affect you personally.

The whole description in Isaiah 18, simply doesn't fit anyone other than America.
The USA is inferred in many other prophesies; daughter of Babylon, the hammer of the whole world, and in the fulfilment of the blessings given to Joseph and his sons.

Jipsah said:

I'll be surprised the first time an End Timer makes a prediction that is even vaguely true.

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What a genuine studier of the Bible prophesies does, is to point out what the real prophets actually wrote. Not their own ideas and opinions, but using other scriptures to fit the little here, little there, information that God has given us. We also use known facts, such as there being nearly 2000 years since Jesus first came.
I regard that for any Christian to ignore the prophesies or worse, to scoff at them, is a sin and God will ask them one Day, why they didn't take heed of what He took such time and trouble to inform us of His plans.

Here is one prophecy that I believe will come true quite soon; Isaiah 3:1-7 and Micah 5:1
Try to imagine what will happen if Netanyahu was shot.

keras said:

Your hasty denial of this, shows a desire to avoid any hard truths that may, shock horror; actually affect you personally.

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On the contrary, it seems that you are the one taking this personally. I'm merely showing you what I found, since you've so far neglected to provide any other source confirming your own assertions. If a better source exists, feel free to share.

keras said:

I regard that for any Christian to ignore the prophesies or worse, to scoff at them

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I'm not standing for the "scoffing at prophecy" slander anymore. No on that I know scoffs at prophecy, and I suspect that in truth you don't know anyone who does either. What we scoff at are the games that End Timers play to arrive at their doctrines that they decide to accept a priori. They invent stuff out of whole cloth, then search like mad for "proof texts" that sound even vaguely like they might support their doctrine. They're avid users of the the old standby "that's what it says, but what it really means is..." technique by which the Bible can be taken to "mean" whatever they choose. You bet your old tin-type I scoff at them, at the top of my voice and every chance I get, because no one deserves it more.

God will ask them one Day, why they didn't take heed of what He took such time and trouble to inform us of His plans.

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I'd be more worried about making stuff up and them claiming it's the "clear teaching of Scripture", and trying to get the credulous to believe it. Ungood.

keras said:

The whole description in Isaiah 18, simply doesn't fit anyone other than America.

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Yeah, the part about tall smooth folks beyond the rivers of Ethiopia pretty much nails it down, doesn't it.

keras said:

The cartographers of the map you refer to, had their own name for the ocean- Atlantic, derived from Atlantis, the mythical city out there somewhere. They left Aethiopia in the Southern part, but all the ocean was called that by the ancients.
Your hasty denial of this, shows a desire to avoid any hard truths that may, shock horror; actually affect you personally.

The whole description in Isaiah 18, simply doesn't fit anyone other than America.
The USA is inferred in many other prophesies; daughter of Babylon, the hammer of the whole world, and in the fulfilment of the blessings given to Joseph and his sons.

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You believe that USA is babylon the Great of Revelation 18?

Jipsah said:

Yeah, the part about tall smooth folks beyond the rivers of Ethiopia pretty much nails it down, doesn't it.

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You don't qualify, obviously!

But what does 'nail it', is: a people feared far and near, a strong and conquering nation, whose land is divided by rivers. Isaiah 18:2b C.J. Bible

TribulationSigns said:

You believe that USA is babylon the Great of Revelation 18?

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I see 'Babylon the great' as a metaphor for all the ungodly cities and nations.
Revelation 18: seems to fit Rome, as verse 24 says the blood of the prophets and of God's people was found in her. Rev 18, is a continuation of Revelation 17:1-18
But Rome is not a great trading city, shipping in luxury items as described. NY does fit that.

DaDad said:

You're RIGHT. I think the Bible should be published in a kind of "Readers Digest Condensed Version"! And if it were me, I could probably sum it up in maybe ONE sentence: "Love one another".

But you see, GOD cares greatly for HIS creation, and HE has provided a FULL accounting of History, Psychology, Sociology, and Prophecy, so that we may be convinced of HIS love for us.

So if you like my "sentence", then please feel free to use it, and you can throw your Bible in the trash. However, if you think there's value BEYOND my "sentence", then please seek the Fullness of GOD's Word:

Jeremiah 33:3 Call to me and I will answer you, and will tell you great and hidden things which you have not known. ​

Thanks,
DaDad

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Hmmm...You're a good writer but I can't buy the substance of what you're saying. Sure I believe we can learn many things from the Bible but well...just can't buy all the things you say about numbers as it relates to prophesies from the Psalms. Too very speculative to ever be considered a Thus Saith The Lord. But call that my opinion if you like.

keras said:

I see 'Babylon the great' as a metaphor for all the ungodly cities and nations.
Revelation 18: seems to fit Rome, as verse 24 says the blood of the prophets and of God's people was found in her. Rev 18, is a continuation of Revelation 17:1-18
But Rome is not a great trading city, shipping in luxury items as described. NY does fit that.

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I can see why you don't get Revelation 17-18 correct. She is not Rome. She is not a physical city who is guilty of not only the blood of the prophets but of all that were slain upon the earth. She is not some "ungodly cities and nations". She is not a physical trading center to do with "luxury" things. She is not New York City or Stock Exchange.

<Staff Edit> You are building a doctrine based on what you see on the map, gross national products (GNP), secular history books, national Israel, and world news. Instead of Biblical history and Covenant Congregation Relationship.

You totally missed who this woman is as God defined her in Scripture.

Jipsah said:

So I have been assured, by a variety of folks who knew precisely when "the rapture" was going to occur. "Just wait, you'll be sorry," they tell me. And then their carefully calculated dates come and go, and if anyone is surprised it's them.

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Amen.

Their problem is simple. They say that they knew what our Lord says they don't, and He proves to be right and them to be wrong every time. If that ever turns out any other way then yeah, I'll be surprised. They get their "End Times" stuff from pop theology paperbacks designed to fatten the bank accounts of hucksters, jack-leg preachers who beat the End Times tub to keep the pews/collection plates full, and the secular news media. They only use the Bible as an adjunct, to provide "proof texts", generally pulled out of context and often having nothing whatsoever to do with what they're talking about, to make their flapdoodle sound like it has some kind of Biblical basis which in fact it does not. The result is what any computer geek can tell you - garbage in, garbage out. Their predictions prove, in 100% of cases, to be the veriest hogwash.

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Boom!

Jipsah said:

Hint: the prophecy is His, the claptrap that's attached to it by hucksters and jack-legs and general purpose nincompoops, isn't

Here's what our Lord said:
"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

"Oh, but we know!" the End Time buffs replied as one.

Yeah. So we've seen. Repeatedly.

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Repeatedly!!!

They call us scoffers, and so we are. But it isn't "promise of His coming" we're scoffing at; we proclaim loudly, "Christ has died, Christ has risen, Christ will come again."

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Preach!

We scoff at the endless array of muppets who claim that they know when the Lord will return (oops, I meant "The Rapture") , that they know what even our Lord said that no one but the Father knows, That they have the schedule all worked out, yahta, yahta, yahta. Then their dates come, and go, and nothing happens, and the self-important wretches almost never even have the decency to admit that they've been absurdly, embarassingly, ridiculously wrong. They can't bring themselves to admit that they've been presumptuous, and had proclaimed their own notions and prejudices and fears as though they were the Word of God. So they claim they forgot to adjust for the procession of the equinoxes or the Doppler effect or continental drift or some such and announce a new can't miss date for "the Rapture". Or, alternately, they simply spiritualize the whole thing and say that it actually happened in Heaven or that only the unco holy can perceive it so there. Then they go right back to beatng the same old tub again.

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Right. Nothing new under the sun!

Scoff at them? You better believe it.

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I do and I have!

So you know when "the Rapture" is coming, right? That's nice, just get in line with the rest of the folks who "know". They line up by predicted date, just to keep everything orderly. You can be thinking up your excuses while waiting your turn.

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Yeah, you need to take a number, Dadad. There are already a lot of false predictions before you.