War & Destroyer / Abaddon & Apollyon

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Revelation 9:11 (9/11) And they had a king over them, [which is] the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue [is] Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath [his] name Apollyon.
The Hebrew tongue....This is spoken to the Israelites (Jew and Christian). To us his name is Abaddon which means....
Abaddon - Ruin, destruction, the place of destruction, the name of the angel-prince of the infernal regions, the minister of death and the author of havoc on the earth. (WAR)
The Greek tongue...This is spoken to the Gentiles. To them his name is Apollyon which means....
Apollyon - "Destroyer" the angel of the bottomless pit, the Destroyer
The same entity...Satan, the angel of the bottomless pit, the king of the 9/11 attackers, is both Abaddon and Apollyon. He is havoc on earth/WAR, both spiritual and literal war, to Jews and Christians but he is the Destroyer...death and hell to those that remain spiritual Gentiles, heathen...those without Christ.



Iran sends submarines to Red Sea:

report By Hashem Kalantari | Reuters – Tue, 7 Jun, 2011



TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran has sent submarines to the Red Sea, the semi-official Fars news agency reported on Tuesday, citing an unidentified source, in a move that could anger Israel.

"Iranian military submarines entered the Red Sea waters with the goal of collecting information and identifying other countries' combat vessels," Fars said.

It did not specify the number or type of vessels involved but said they were sailing alongside warships of the Navy's 14th fleet.

State-run Press TV said in May the 14th fleet, comprised of two vessels, the Bandar Abbas warship and Shahid Naqdi destroyer, had been sent to combat piracy in the Gulf of Aden.

"The fleet entered the Gulf of Aden region in May and has now entered the Red Sea in the continuation of its mission," Fars said.

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That article from The Drudge Report really caught my eye this morning. Persia/Iran sent warships and submarines into the Gulf and now the Red Sea and...maybe it could anger Israel? ^_^ Ya' think! :doh:I know how I would feel if Cuban or Russian (does it really matter which) warships were cruising in the Gulf of Mexico and then moved up into Mobile Bay on "it's mission." I might be a little angry too. :mad:


Other than the obvious there are some interesting parallels to prophecy going on.


1. We remember the 9/11 event...will the ten year anniversary, this coming September, be a very important date?

2. Also, from the report we're told of a warship and destroyer. Abaddon means War and Apollyon means Destroyer. Interesting!
The two ships:
Bandar Abbas Warship means...Bandar (small but intelligent), Abbas (stern, somber, father.)

Shahid Naqdi Destroyer - Shahid means....(witness and it is a religious term in Islam meaning both witness and martyr. He gives his life out of passion for truth.) I couldn't find the meaning of Naqdi.
3. This took place in May. Jesus told us that the coming of the Son of man would be as the days of Noah. [Mt.24:37] What clue are we given for the end of days being as the days of Noah?



Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
The above article was written...6/7/11. The Genesis verse about the beginning of the tribulation was on year 600 shown in 7:11. If the tribulation began this year, 2011...it began on May 21 (which is the seventeeth day of the second Hebrew month). I don't know the exact date but the fleet of the Warship and Destroyer entered the waters, the "great deep," in May. Abaddon and Apollyon....War and Destroyer.
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Galations 4:10-11; " You observe days, months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labor in vain."



If you begin with the preceeding verse [9] it helps in understanding Paul's message.....


Galatians 4:9-11 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
From that we see that those Paul was teaching of, those observing days, years, etc., are connected to "weak and beggarly elements," which wouldn't be....THE WORD OF THE LORD or the times and signs our Father gave us with which to watch, prepare and warn.


Further understanding is given through the word "observe," as used above.

Observe - hostile watching. When the verb paratereo is used it is always in a bad sense.
So, unless you consider the days He instructed us to watch are somehow....beggarly elements....do you still think it is a bad thing?



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Shalom, all.

Sorry, folks, but there's a different interpretation of Revelation 9:1-12 that is more literal and more true to the Scriptures.

"Then the fifth messenger blasted (on his shofar) and I saw a heavenly body fall out of the sky down to the earth (meteorite): and to it was given the exact coordinates of the pit of the abyss.
"And it cracked open the pit of the abyss: There arose a cloud of smoke out of the pit as though it came from a huge furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened from the smoke of the pit.
"Then out of the smoke came locusts that landed on the earth: to them was given poison like the poison that the scorpions of the ground have. They were commanded that they should not hurt the grass on the ground nor any foliage nor any tree; they should hurt only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. The command given to them was that they should not kill men, but that they inflict pain on them for five months: The pain they inflicted was like the poison of a scorpion when one of them strikes a person. During that time, these people shall consciously and purposely look for death but shall not find it; they shall wish to die, but death will elude them.
"The appearance of the locusts was such that they were armored for battle like horses prepared for war are all formidably dressed: on their heads were victor's-wreath-shaped antennae as though they were victors' wreaths of gold; their faces were like the faces of people; they had hairs on their body long like the hair of women, and their mandibles were like lions' teeth. They had thoraces as though they were made of iron, and the noise of their wings was like the noise from many horses and chariots running to the battlefield. (I.e., the loud, low-pitched buzz of a giant insect.) They had tails like those of scorpions with stings in their tails: their specialty was to torture people for five months. However, they had a king ruling them who is the messenger from the pit of the abyss whose name in the Hebrew language is Abaddown and in Greek is Apolluon (both meaning 'Destruction,' not ‘Destroyer’).
"One cry of grief is over, but, look out! There are two more coming!"

The above verses tend to indicate that these locusts are perhaps a residual, antediluvian species trapped in a state of suspended animation within an underground chamber with an unsounded bottom (abussos = no bottom) which will be opened by the impact of a certain meteorite upon the key pressure point of the earth's crust. (While abussos means “[a pit with] no-bottom,” this could be either a pit with an unsounded bottom such as a deep fissure, or a pit deep enough that it’s “bottom” truly is past the core of the earth. Once a hole includes the center of gravity of the planet, all directions from there would be UP! I tend, though, to believe the former.)

This species is primarily a form of locust, indicating that this species is a winged insect possessing rear legs for leaping. That its sound is a low-pitched droning is indicative that this species is larger than present-day specimens, probably as “prehistoric” (or rather “antediluvian”) dragonflies and damselflies are larger than their living counterparts. They were not prehistoric or living before recorded history; they were antediluvian, living prior to the Great Flood of Noah’s time.

As many antediluvian creatures changed their diets after the flood becoming carnivorous, these creatures, too, will not be able to survive on the weakened vegetation of our planet. (Prior to the Great Flood, all animals were herbivorous.) Their diet will tend toward being carnivorous. As a starving, desperate species, they will attack human beings to acquire nourishment only to be frustrated. Finally, after five long months, the species will die from lack of nourishment: Since this species has a king, much as ants and bees have a queen, when the king dies, the others will die soon afterward. The name of their king, "Destruction," suggests both the results and the fate of this species, and has no correlation to haSatan.

A puzzling aspect of these verses is when people desire death only to have it elude them. The question used to come to my mind, "How is this accomplished? Does God actually suspend death for five months?" That would certainly be possible and within the ability of God, but then it occurred to me on January 3, 1993, to look up how the poison of scorpions affects someone. In the book Insects of the World, on page 11, J.E. Remington said, "However, there are a few species, especially in northern Mexico and northern Africa, that inject nerve poisons." (Emphasis mine.) The answer would then appear to be that of nerve dysfunction -- people are literally immobilized! They are paralyzed by the venom and are thus unable to affect their own deaths or to ask others to kill them for mercy's sake. The toxin, however, is not life threatening... just extremely painful! All of one's nerve endings would feel like they were on fire! People will wish they were dead, but will be unable to do anything about it! Apparently, the toxin will wear off in time, but not before it’s taken its toll on the victim.​

We aren't correct to assume that "Abaddown" or "Apolluon" means "Destroyer" and refers to haSatan. The words mean "destrucTION" and refer to the destruction of the species.

In the Messiah's love,
Roy
 
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Abaddon & Apollyon = Daniel 9:26-27 = Titus & Vespasian

St. James' constant prayers in the Temple of Herod from 30-62 AD forestalled the Daniel clock, until Ananias martyred the brother of the Lord, too.

Then all heck broke loose. Rome burned in 64 AD. The Christians were persecuted from then until 68 or 70. Meanwhile, Judea rebelled. Which led to the destruction and desolation of Jerusalem, alpar Revelation and Daniel.
 
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Galations 4:10-11; " You observe days, months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labor in vain."
And there is this:

YLT)
Rev 9:15
and loosed were the four Messengers,
who have been made ready for the hour, and day, and month, and year,
that they may kill the third of men;
 
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3. This took place in May. Jesus told us that the coming of the Son of man would be as the days of Noah. [Mt.24:37] What clue are we given for the end of days being as the days of Noah?
2 Peter 3:1-7 is the best info on this.
He says that this time God will use fire to reset the worlds civilization. Over 100 prophesies vividly describe the Lord's Day of wrath, when He will judge the nations and destroy His enemies. Isaiah 66:15-17
We are plainly told what He will use on that Day; an explosion of the suns surface, Isaiah 30:26-28, 30, Malachi 4:1, Psalms 50:1-3 This massive Coronal Mass Ejection will literally fulfil all the prophesied effects about it. The attackers of Israel will be wiped out, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18 and also the ungodly Jewish people will be judged. Isaiah 4:3-4, Zechariah 13
 
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Isaiah 24:1-6 Be warned, the Lord is about to strip the earth, split it and turn it upside down and scatter its inhabitants. Everyone will be affected. Luke 21:35

The earth dries up and withers, it is desecrated by those who live in it. They have broken My Laws and violated My covenant, that is why a curse consumes the earth and its peoples suffer, their numbers dwindle, only a few are left.
The Lords Day of vengeance and wrath by a CME strikes the earth, affecting all its inhabitants. Isaiah 63:1-6, Revelation 6:12-17, Habakkuk 3:12

Isaiah 24:7-13 Crops fail, the people are shocked and anxious. Their cities are in chaos and their houses shuttered and locked. Nothing but desolation is left in the towns, the bridges and highways are destroyed. So it will be throughout the world, among the nations, as an olive tree is beaten and stripped.
Cities and towns will become uninhabitable – no food, power or water and roads impassable. “Suddenly, in a single Day” is mentioned in Isaiah 10:7 & Isaiah 47:9 All the nations of the world face the sun over a 24hr period. A huge Coronal Mass Ejection will strike all the earth in one rotation. Isaiah 30:26a, Malachi 4:1

Isaiah 24:14-16a People from the West and the East, acclaim the Lord. In the coasts and islands of the sea, we hear them sing- from the ends of the earth, glorifying the God of Israel.
As Isaiah 30:26b says: ‘On that Day, I will save My people’. They will praise the Lord for their salvation. Isaiah 66:8.

Isaiah 24:16b-20 But, there will be trouble for the earth on the Day that the Lord opens the window of heaven and shakes the earth’s foundation. It will lurch and sway like a drunkard and whoever tries to escape will be caught, like in a trap.
There will be worldwide earthquakes. The unrighteous will be punished- no one will escape. Jeremiah 4:23-29

Isaiah 24:21-23 On that Day, the Lord will punish the powers in the heavens above and the leaders on the earth below. They will be made prisoners, punished for a long time. The sun and moon will grow pale. God will reign in Jerusalem and will be revealed in His glory to the elders of His people. 2 Thessalonians 1:10
Reference: REB verses abridged.

The sky will be darkened for a while because of the smoke and ash clouds. The Lord’s faithful Christian people will move to and settle in New Israel. The Glory of God will return into the rebuilt Temple. Ezekiel 43:1-9 The elders and leaders, Hosea 1:11, Jeremiah 30:21, will know Him, as in ancient times, with Abraham, Moses and David, etc. Jeremiah 30:21

All this is before the Return of Jesus: at that time; He will come on the clouds with His angels, visible to all. He destroys the armies of the Anti Christ on the Great Day of the Sovereign Lord. Rev. 16:14
It is the terrifying and shocking, worldwide Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, the next prophesied event, what is described in Isaiah 24

Note; that there is absolutely no hint of a ‘rapture’ of anyone at this time. The Lords people, every faithful Christian, will gather and settle in the new country of Beulah, in all that area promised to Abraham. Isaiah 62:1-5 Jeremiah 23:3-4. Ezekiel 48:1-29

The survivors of the world’s peoples will organize a one world government, as their leaders have gone. 10 regions will be established, each led by a President. It will not be long before one of them assumes full dictatorial powers. You know the rest of the story!
 
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Meaning what?
Is it too much for you to have the prophesies presented in an understandable way?

No, because you guys do not know a clue who are Abaddon and Apollyon and what they are destroying.

Revelation 9:11 KJV

[11]"And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."
You need to study the CONTEXT of the chapter carefully. Who are "they" that had a king over them? Let find out:

Revelation 9:4-6 KJV
[4] And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
[5] And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
[6] And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Satan is NOT an angel, for he is a spirit. He is the "messenger" of evil, and Apollyon (or Abaddon) is Satan, that very same spirit and king ruling over the ones who do not have the seal of God WITHIN the church. THey are decevied by Satan, a destroyer. Satan doesn't give the command to Apollyon, Satan is Apollyon himself - the one who comes out of the bottomless pit. That word means destruction, and that is the epitome of what he does here. He is the king or ruler of this spiritual army from the abyss, and what he brings is death to these people. Not physical death, but spiritual death.

This Hebrew word [abaddon] only occurs here in the New Testament and 5 times in the Old Testament (Job 26:6; 28:22; 31:12; Psalm 88:11; Prov 15:11 ) and always relates to death, which this messenger from hell/hades brings to the unfaithful congregation (those in it who are not truly sealed). This is what Revelation 9 is all about. The judgment of the harlot church. Not about Roman emperors. Not about 70AD in Jerusalem. And not about modern-day warships. It is about Satan and his armies of false prophets and Christs with a spirit of antichrist to deceive those people who have not yet saved (sealed) in the church. This takes plave right prior to Second Coming.

It is all about Satan's interest to attack God's congregation, and in Revelation 20 when he is loosed God makes that point even more abundantly clear. It's the evil spirit Satan's "whole persona" and a reason for existence. He is the absolute quintessential adversary of the church, not the world which is ALREADY his domain. The world is his own, it's already his kingdom that he's not fighting against because a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand, get it?! The word of God encourages us to make our calling and election sure not because Satan has no interest in attacking the church, but because that is his whole character, his entire modus operandi. Satan isn't loosed to attack his own kingdom, but used by God as a judgment upon His unfaithful church by bringing them against her. Just as in the old Testament God loosed wicked empires upon national Israel as judgment for their rebellions. Same thing, but Revelation 9 is about New Testament congregation of Israel! The fact is, the judgment and apostasy come specifically because Satan is loosed by God upon a rebellious church that will not receive His truth in the love wherewith it was given. Apostasy is a falling away of the church, not a falling away of the world. The world is already fallen under Satan's control. See?

2nd Thessalonians 2:9-11
  • "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
  • And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
  • And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
  • That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
This is what it is all about! It is the false Christs and false prophets that come to deceive are attacking the church, and who do they deceive there? Therefore, under rule of the Apollyon, the great destroyer Satan, they bring the rebellious church to desolation by deceiving those men within it that do not have the seal of God in their foreheads. Get it?

Revelation 7:2-3
  • "And I saw another messenger ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four messengers, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
  • Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."
That's the whole reason Satan was bound in the bottomless pit, so that He could not frustrate God's plan to build his church. That way God could seal 144,000 of Covenant Israel (secured) with the Spirit of promise FIRST. But once the church has done its job, their testimony finished, then he is loosed as locusts upon the grass. The point being NOT until God has sealed/saved everyone that He intends to save.

For example, those who have not made their calling and election sure (2nd Peter 1:10). God brings this spiritual judgment of delusion upon His Temple because these are those who would not receive the love of truth (2nd Thessalonians 2:12), instead of getting their pleasure from unrighteousness. The destroyer comes up against the camp of the saints, not his own camp and his own people and his own kingdom.

Selah!
 
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No, because you guys do not know a clue who are Abaddon and Apollyon and what they are destroying.
But they are not something we need to be concerned about now, as I posted in #9, the Lord's Day of wrath, is the next prophesied event.
Understand that and be ready for it. Time to worry about the rest of the end times after that.
 
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But they are not something we need to be concerned about now

Ohhh.. bad mistake! Isn't it the time we are supposed to watch for?

, as I posted in #9, the Lord's Day of wrath, is the next prophesied event. Understand that and be ready for it. Time to worry about the rest of the end times after that.

Obviously, you do not understand the nature of the Day of the Lord. It is the time of Lord's visitation to judge His congregation for her unfaithfulness where the battle of Armageddon is going to take place!

1 Thessalonians 5:2-6 KJV
[2] For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
[3] For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
[4] But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
[5] Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
[6] Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.​

Revelation 16:12-16 KJV
[12] And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
[13] And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
[14] For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
[15] Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
[16] And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
This is when Christ will come as a thief TO JUDGE HIS UNFAITHFUL CONGREGATION where His Elect are blessed to "WATCH" and to keep his "GARMENTS" of salvation and to come out of her to prophesy judgment against her.

Revelation 18:10-11 KJV
[10] Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
[11] And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

Revelation 18:15-19 KJV
[15] The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
[16] And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
[17] For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
[18] And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
[19] And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

The New Testament Congregation of Israel, the church, has become spiritually desolate all over the world which is where the SPIRITUAL battle of Armageddon. It is because her merchandises of gospel has been spoiled and take prey upon by the false prophets and christs (aka Gog and Magog) to MAKE the great city desolate! This is what I "see" going on and prophesy about it.

You, on another hand, cannot "see" it, because you have a carnal mind thinking the battle of Armageddon must be something physically and will only take place over there in the Middle East in the future. And you will think there is nothing wrong with your church or deny that church will be judged by God just like the Jews thought so with their city, Jerusalem in the Old Testament, as an example!

Well, you have been warned for the Day of the Lord is here.
 
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Being that the name is given in two different languages, and has two different meanings, I would assume there is a significance to this.
Try looking up the definition of the words Extermination and Exterminator. In general, Abaddon is synonymous with extermination and Apollyon is synonymous with exterminator.
So you basically have two groups: Greek(gentile) and Hebrew(Jews). The superscript above the cross in the crucifixion was given in Greek, Latin, and Hebrew, if I recall correctly, so this may or may not have a significance as well in having the Latin rendering being left out here.
Also, look back to the 5th Seal where many are "exterminated" for the Word of God and their testimony.
 
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