Trump feels unwelcome in London

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It was a false flag op.
That's a play on words by the person who wrote the article about a prank involving Russian flags.

Are you being serious? This is really embarrassing if you are.
 
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Lol @ the faux outrage in this thread. It would be a lot more believable if it wasn't on behalf of someone who built his campaign on the mockery of others. Little Rubio. Crooked Hillary. Low Energy Jeb. Little Rocket man.

I don't like the open mockery of Trump by other countries for the same reason I didn't like it when Bush had the shoe tossed at him: it shows a lessening of respect for the office of the presidency and the United States, which in the end I believe makes us less safe. However, he is a master of mockery, his uncivil words and poor behavior has been normalized to the point that church folks are making excuses for it. As long as he is in office expect it to degenerate further. He doesn't respect the leaders and citizenship of other countries, I'm not surprised when this is mirrored back to him by said citizens.
 
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It's one thing to "disrespect" your own leader. It's another to have thousands and thousands of people take to the streets to protest a foreign leader of a nation that's supposed to be your ally.

It's probably fake news. I recall clearly all the posts on CF after Trump was elected, glad to be rid of Obama so we could finally earn our due respect back. I'm sure the images and signs are photo shopped. You know how liberals lie.
 
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Until you can come up with a Tea Party protest in which there was a effigy of Obama lynched which wasn't immediately run off, I can't take this seriously. I mean it. Produce the goods. Tea Party protest--effigy of Obama being lynched. Go.

Seriously? Did you reside in this country during the 8 years of the Obama presidency?
 
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If you want to test this out with Brits, ask them how they would like it if a quarter of a million Americans turned out to protest to the Queen or even Teresa May if they were to visit.
I'd be amazed if a quarter of a million Americans could identify either the Queen or Theresa May - how many can even spell her name right?
 
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There's an article about it in The Atlantic.

But I have a feeling you will respond by moving the goalposts.
There's this one where leftists literally used false flags: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/false-flag-operation-at-cpac/517842/

I never said racists are fake racists. I said sometimes some leftists will stage a false flag op at a conservative rally. And it could take the form of one of them putting on a racist t-shirt for a photo op to make the rally look racist. It's a very easy thing to do.
How about you take a moment to Google it? If you do you will find news reports of false flag ops by leftists that were caught in the act at conservative rallies.
Google is not much help in finding support for your argument. There's https://www.theatlantic.com/search/?q=false+flag which doesn't help you.

Otherwise, Google mostly cites Alex Jones and Ron Paul making weird claims.

Maybe you could be more specific?
 
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Awwww.... poor poor America; we're just not praised the way we're entitled to be, are we?

Again: false choice. The choices do not have to be anti-Americanism or you must praise us because we're entitled.

You got anything other than false choices to offer?
 
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At the risk of beating a dead horse (since I've already posted pics previously, and now 2 or 3 others have as well)

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I don't know why it's so hard for some to accept that there's a racist element within the far right that goes well beyond "one off"/"fringe" scenarios. Racism among the far-right isn't as rare as folks on the right seem to think it is.

Just some public polling info to noodle around...

Since Charlottesville, several pollsters—Quinnipiac University, the Washington Post, Public Policy Polling, Marist (for NPR and PBS), and Morning Consult (for Politico)—have asked Americans what they think of explicitly racist groups. Let’s look at what these surveys have found.

In the PPP survey, 1 percent of people who voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 express a favorable opinion of neo-Nazis. Among whites, 4 percent express such an opinion. Among people who voted for Trump, however, it’s 7 percent. (This doesn’t mean some of those Trump voters are nonwhite. It just means that Nazi sympathies among whites are concentrated in the pro-Trump contingent.) In the Morning Consult poll, 3 percent of conservatives, 5 percent of whites, and 6 percent of Republicans admit to a favorable impression of neo-Nazis. Among people who strongly approve of Trump’s performance, the number goes up to 12 percent.


When you remove the Klan/Nazi references and ask people what they think of groups that advocate racial superiority, people who approve of Trump’s job performance again stand out. In the Marist poll, Trump approvers are slightly more likely than whites—5 percent versus 3 percent—to say that they mostly agree with “the white supremacy movement.” In the PPP survey, 7 percent of Trump voters say they have a favorable opinion of “white supremacists,” compared to 4 percent of whites and 1 percent of Clinton voters. In the Morning Consult poll, 7 percent of whites and 9 percent of Republicans express a favorable view of white supremacists. Among strong Trump approvers, that number shoots up to 15 percent.

Trump’s comment about people who rallied with neo-Nazis in Charlottesville—that some were “very fine”—inspired this question in the PPP survey: “Do you think it is possible for white supremacists and neo-Nazis to be ‘very fine people,’ or not?” Four percent of Clinton voters say it’s possible. Among whites, the number goes up to 13 percent. Among Republicans, it’s 18 percent. Among Trump voters, it’s 22 percent.


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It's a reality that some Trump supporters are going to need to finally accept, there's an undesirable racist element among their ranks, and it's a much bigger slice of the pie than they'd like to think it is.

You chat with Trump supporter who aren't racist (and the majority are not), they seem to think that number is like 1/1000 or 1/10000...The reality is, it's actually closer to 1/7 or 1/6 based on how they answered certain questions.

They should see that as problematic and question why that's the case.

I will repeat what I said, because you brought it up. Prove that these hang Obama in effigy or lynch him in effigy were done at TEA PARTY RALLIES, as you said. That's what you said. Now prove it.
 
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The government of the UK know that America is a valuable ally. The people of the UK consider Donald to be a complete and total yutz. Fortunately, Donald is not America -- merely its temporary spokesperson.

First of all, the people of the UK want us to be at their back and give them all the goodies, but they still do not love us. Check the polls and stats on that. Secondly, where does this "government" come from if not the people? Mars? Outer space? A black hole?
 
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I thought that "populists" championed the cause of everyday people, the 99%.

Now when they talk about populists, they mean people with third-grade vocabularies who behave like the hazing chairman of "Animal House" type fraternities.

We need to go back to the original meaning of populism and give another name to ignorant bullies.

Is it loving to call people ignorant bullies with third grade vocabularies?
 
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I will repeat what I said, because you brought it up. Prove that these hang Obama in effigy or lynch him in effigy were done at TEA PARTY RALLIES, as you said. That's what you said. Now prove it.
Where else would that happen, Comic-Con?

Why do they have to be Tea Party rallies in particular?
 
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Lol @ the faux outrage in this thread. It would be a lot more believable if it wasn't on behalf of someone who built his campaign on the mockery of others. Little Rubio. Crooked Hillary. Low Energy Jeb. Little Rocket man.

I don't like the open mockery of Trump by other countries for the same reason I didn't like it when Bush had the shoe tossed at him: it shows a lessening of respect for the office of the presidency and the United States, which in the end I believe makes us less safe. However, he is a master of mockery, his uncivil words and poor behavior has been normalized to the point that church folks are making excuses for it. As long as he is in office expect it to degenerate further. He doesn't respect the leaders and citizenship of other countries, I'm not surprised when this is mirrored back to him by said citizens.

Liking whomever is in office does not make us "more safe". Americans live under this illusion that if we have a "nice" president who says "nice" words the world will respect us more. They might respect us more when it comes to tea time (literally), but they will still happily take all our money, our goodies, and sell us out if it suits them.

Diplomacy is not 2nd grade.
 
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