Orthodox Analysis Needed

Hermit76 · Jul 14, 2018

If you are not Orthodox (or a friendly Catholic), please don't comment.

Someone I know wrote:

Catholics and Orthodox need Mary as their main intercessor because they've essentially stripped Jesus of his intercessory role by making him equal to the Almighty. They've destroyed the new testament concept of what the true and heavenly Priesthood is like, substituting instead an earthly and institutionalized one.

Thoughts?

Barney2.0 · Jul 14, 2018

Hermit76 said:
If you are not Orthodox (or a friendly Catholic), please don't comment.

Someone I know wrote:

Thoughts?

I believe it’s both confusing and ridiculous.

HTacianas · Jul 14, 2018

That strikes me as the opinion of a non-Orthodox person based not on the teachings of the Church, but rather their misconception of those teachings.

Hermit76 · Jul 14, 2018

It is very confusing.

peregrinus2017 · Jul 14, 2018

It reads like this person does not understand what the Orthodox believe about the intercession of the saints, among other things, and makes me wonder how they view the Trinity. Based on how they have expressed themselves, (just an opinion formed on a brief statement), I suspect that their knowledge of church history does not go much past the last hundred years or so. If this person desires to truly understand other views, there's plenty of teaching room here. If not, decide how your energy is best spent.

LaSorcia · Jul 14, 2018

Haberdashery! Oops, I mean balderdash!

LaSorcia · Jul 14, 2018

Actually, on a serious note, they are starting with a faulty premise that Mary is our main intercessor. Christ is, and always will be, first and foremost.

gurneyhalleck1 · Jul 14, 2018

Sounds like Arianism coupled with a severe lack of catechesis and even a faulty understanding of Protestant thinking!!!?

ArmyMatt · Jul 14, 2018

Hermit76 said:
If you are not Orthodox (or a friendly Catholic), please don't comment.

Someone I know wrote:

Thoughts?

well, we didn't make Christ equal to the Almighty. He kinda did that Himself.

~Anastasia~ · Jul 14, 2018

Hermit76 said:
If you are not Orthodox (or a friendly Catholic), please don't comment.

Someone I know wrote:

Thoughts?

I'll just agree with others here. I think this person has no idea what we believe and why - and doesn't even have a good grasp on the Holy Trinity.

If they are too be corrected it would take addressing a number of things. There is a lot of confusion there.

Hermit76 · Jul 14, 2018

They are a self appointed specialist that "is only interested in the truth." Lol, I have already left the conversation because I was being told what I "really believed."

Oh well...

gurneyhalleck1 · Jul 14, 2018

It goes along with the thing I hear all the time----"I believe in Jesus AND GOD"

:sick:

ArmyMatt said:
well, we didn't make Christ equal to the Almighty. He kinda did that Himself.

Tigger45 · Jul 14, 2018

Being a friendly catholic

I think the quoted text in the OP comes from a misunderstanding of Orthodox teachings and practice of

1. The church > communion of saints > intersection of the saints.

2. Dogmatic adherents to the two natures of Christ.

3. The height of reverence demonstrated to the Holy Trinity.

Hermit76 · Jul 14, 2018

Tigger45 said:
Being a friendly catholic

I think the quoted text in the OP comes from a misunderstanding of Orthodox teachings and practice of

1. The church > communion of saints > intersection of the saints.

2. Dogmatic adherents to the two natures of Christ.

3. The height of reverence demonstrated to the Holy Trinity.

If you understood the context you would see that it comes from...

1) A desire to make Orthodoxy into the evil goddess worshipers of olden days.

There are those out there, and I used to be one, that really feel the need to support their own beliefs by making all others evil. I'm finding there is little use in engaging these individuals.

Btw, the whole friendly Catholic thing was to keep this from becoming a debate among others.

LaSorcia · Jul 14, 2018

Hermit76 said:
There are those out there, and I used to be one, that really feel the need to support their own beliefs by making all others evil.

That's a good point. And as with St. Paul, there are a lot of zealous people who don't try to vilify others, but sincerely think they are on the correct path, and therefore focus more on the correction of others than their own further development.

Hermit76 said:
I'm finding there is little use in engaging these individuals.

I agree, but there's a world of good in praying for them.

Hermit76 · Jul 14, 2018

LaSorcia said:
That's a good point. And as with St. Paul, there are a lot of zealous people who don't try to vilify others, but sincerely think they are on the correct path, and therefore focus more on the correction of others than their own further development.

I agree, but there's a world of good in praying for them.

Very good points!!!

If I had never dropped the vilification of others I would have never made it to Orthodoxy. Even in this person's group there are many who don't try to destroy others. For me it was part of a cycle of insecurity that made me do it.

And yes, prayer is the correct way to engage these situations. Cyclical discussions only serve to make me frustrated. Matter of fact my wife has asked me to no longer engage in such threads on any forum. I shall do as she asked. Lol

LaSorcia · Jul 14, 2018

Hermit76 said:
Very good points!!!

Thank you. I might be broken in a different way from the person who was quoted, but I'm still familiar with human intellectual and character frailties.

Hermit76 said:
If I had never dropped the vilification of others I would have never made it to Orthodoxy.

That wasn't my stumbling block, but I can see how it would be one.

Hermit76 said:
For me it was part of a cycle of insecurity that made me do it.

Isn't that the root of so many problems?

Hermit76 said:
Cyclical discussions only serve to make me frustrated.

Amen, amen, amen!

Hermit76 said:
Matter of fact my wife has asked me to no longer engage in such threads on any forum. I shall do as she asked. Lol

Sensible wife lol. She's probably tired of hearing you complain about how annoying others can be... ^_^

buzuxi02 · Jul 14, 2018

If there is a heavenly priesthood of beluevers, then what's the problem? Does this person know what the role of a priest is? If they are in heaven acting as priests
Zacharias the priest would enter the altar and offer the prayers of all those who would gather outside the temple by burning incense as intercesstions. (Luke 2:9-10).

Secondly we dont care what false information a heretic spews, unlike them we have the experience of miracles, healings, visions, prophecy, transformations which accompany our prayers.

Hermit76 · Jul 14, 2018

buzuxi02 said:
Secondly we dont care what false information a heretic spews, unlike them we have the experience of miracles, healings, visions, prophecy, transformations which accompany our prayers.

They would claim the same thing.

I'm not saying it is valid, I'm just pointing out their claims.
I care because these are people I care about.

prodromos · Jul 14, 2018

Hermit76 said:
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Someone I know wrote:

Thoughts?

They've obviously never taken note of how often we pray "Lord have mercy"

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