Anti-Trump protest in London is similar to anti-Bush protest they had in 2003

Snappy1 · Jul 14, 2018

SoldierOfTheKing said:
When we're protesting a policy, were withing the bounds of rational political discourse. Here we have people who are protesting, not against anything Trump did but against who he is. They're not protesting against Trump because of any war he started. They're protesting against him because Trump, simply by occupying the White House, unsettles something deep in their psyche - he is a reminder that the political order they support is falling apart. It had already begun in their own country, with Brexit - I'd bet the farm that these protesters are overwhelmingly fanatical Remainers. They're not there to demonstrate for or against any policy. They're there to throw a collective temper tantrum. Not over Trump really, but over what Trump represents to them.

It is the same thing with Russia. In the eyes of the political class of the West, Russia has no legitimate basis for existence except as vassal state for the international political order. The very existence of a prosperous Russia free from the IMF's shackles, pursuing policies independently of America and Europe is anathema to them. It raises the disturbing possibility that the tide of history is not turning in their direction after all. Trump and Putin are two manifestations of this same historical trend, and in the liberal mind, are necessarily connected on these grounds alone. This is the reason for the widespread belief in certain US intelligence circles that Russia influenced the election in favor of Trump. Trump's presidency must be Putin's doing because Putin created it by providing the example. That, they presume, must be the starting point of any analysis. Everything else is just connecting dots. So the Mueller investigation, which after 18 months is still unable to make any specific allegation against the President, but is still convinced that the crime is there to find. And it is - but it is an ideological crime and what Mueller lacks is a legal pretense for its prosecution.

What bubble could a person exist in where they don't understand why people don't like Donald Trump?

LivingWordUnity · Jul 14, 2018

Snappy1 said:
Well let's just lie, why don't we?

I was meant what I said in a general sense. And, in general, Trump doesn't insult anyone who didn't insult him first. So it wasn't a lie.

Snappy1 · Jul 14, 2018

LivingWordUnity said:
I was meant what I said in a general sense. And, in general, Trump doesn't insult anyone who didn't insult him first. So it wasn't a lie.

And in general it's a lie.

LivingWordUnity · Jul 14, 2018

Snappy1 said:
And in general it's a lie.

That's your opinion.

SoldierOfTheKing · Jul 14, 2018

Go Braves said:
The Scottish newspaper that ran a denunciation of Donald Trump did a fantastic job summing up why so many decent folks protest against him.

That article criticized Trump for many things, but the common denominator was that "he said something that offended me". That kind of proves my point. The fact that a man can say things that hurt their feelings and still be elected to public office is more than they can handle.

Snappy1 · Jul 14, 2018

LivingWordUnity said:
That's your opinion.

Hey if you want to openly flaunt the fact that you don't understand what words mean, that's on you. But your claim is still a lie.

wing2000 · Jul 14, 2018

LivingWordUnity said:
They would be satisfied with sanctions if they didn't want more than sanctions.

They this, they that.

Cite some evidence naming a specific leader that called for war with Russia.

LivingWordUnity · Jul 14, 2018

Snappy1 said:
Hey if you want to openly flaunt the fact that you don't understand what words mean, that's on you. But your claim is still a lie.

The degree that Trump has been nice to people is a matter of opinion.

Merely calling something a lie doesn't make it one.

LivingWordUnity · Jul 14, 2018

wing2000 said:
They this, they that.

Cite some evidence naming a specific leader that called for war with Russia.

You ignored what I said.

Snappy1 · Jul 14, 2018

LivingWordUnity said:
The degree that Trump has been nice to people is a matter of opinion.

Merely calling something a lie doesn't make it one.

No, it's a matter of fact that Donald Trump has attacked people unprovoked. You lying about that makes it a lie.

Go Braves · Jul 15, 2018

SoldierOfTheKing said:
That article criticized Trump for many things, but the common denominator was that "he said something that offended me". That kind of proves my point.

The article covered a lot more than the multitude of offenses Trump has caused & the resulting damages from those offenses.

The fact that a man can say things that hurt their feelings and still be elected to public office is more than they can handle.

Well there's some irony to that since right now there's Trump supporters in America who've never stepped foot in England but have gotten their britches in huge knots on account of the protests there because it hurts their feelings & is more than they can handle. But this newspaper in Scotland is nearly 200 years old & publishes a paper every single day. In all that time there's been plenty of leaders who've said & done offensive things yet the denunciation of Trump is unprecedented. It's asinine to simplify it to him merely being offensive.

Liza B. · Jul 15, 2018

High Fidelity said:
That's the modus operandi of most bullies, is it not?

He's used to being a bully and he's treating the world stage like his boardroom and American allies and partners like some pesky small business owners that want to bargain, not be monopolized.

He is acting with America's best interests at heart, and not running all over the world apologizing. God bless him for it, it's about time we act with our best interest at heart. Btw, I expect ALL nations to act with their best interest at heart.

So do most people. For some reason, it only DEEPLY offends them when America does this. America is supposed to constantly undermine its own best interest. We say no. We say not anymore. Now let the whining begin.

Go Braves · Jul 15, 2018

Liza B. said:
He is acting with America's best interests at heart, and not running all over the world apologizing. God bless him for it, it's about time we act with our best interest at heart. Btw, I expect ALL nations to act with their best interest at heart.

So do most people. For some reason, it only DEEPLY offends them when America does this. America is supposed to constantly undermine its own best interest. We say no. We say not anymore.

Nope. Trump is acting with HIS own best interests at heart. He's certainly not acted with the best interests of soy farmers & so many other hardworking Americans who've been hurt by his asinine trade wars. It's why his own top economic adviser quit back in the spring. God bless the honest, intelligent, decent folks who've been stood up to Trump. By protesting or by resigning & refusing to be a part of his destructiveness. They are not only acting with their own country's best interest at heart they're acting on behalf of what's best for all of us. We're in an interactive world where one country suffering causes another to. Now as for whining, there's been more of that coming from Trump & his defenders than anybody else. Gracious folks whined like crazy over a balloon of Trump as a baby, not picking up on the irony of doing that, lol.

LivingWordUnity · Jul 15, 2018

Goonie said:
So no source, apart from Trumpistan/right wing fantasies and straw men.

Do you have a source for that claim?

DaisyDay · Jul 15, 2018

LivingWordUnity said:
President Trump is nice to people as long as they don't attack him. So if someone wants to be treated nice by him all they have to do is not attack him.

Tell that to the dressing teenagers he gawked at and kissed on the mouth, tell that to the black renters he denied housing to, tell that to the contractors he stiffed, tell that to the people who fell for his "university" racket, tell that to the Polish workers who contracted mesothelioma, tell that to the kneeling footballers, etc., etc., etc.

Goonie · Jul 15, 2018

LivingWordUnity said:
Do you have a source for that claim?

You have been asked multiple times for a source demonstrating leftists want war and have bluntly refused point blank to provide a source. Sorry but right wing fantasy and straw man is the only conclusion possible at this point.

DaisyDay · Jul 15, 2018

LivingWordUnity said:
Do you have a source for that claim?

Source

DaisyDay · Jul 15, 2018

Liza B. said:
He is acting with America's best interests at heart, and not running all over the world apologizing.

That Obama was "apologizing" was always stupid propaganda, but it's not surprising to see you tout it again. Propaganda works best when repeated often.

Donald acts impulsively with his own interests at heart.

God bless him for it, it's about time we act with our best interest at heart. Btw, I expect ALL nations to act with their best interest at heart.

Insulting long-standing allies, kissing up to dangerous dictators and tooting his own horn loudly, constantly, falsely is not in America's best interests - which country's purposes are best served by this pathetic spectacle?

So do most people. For some reason, it only DEEPLY offends them when America does this. America is supposed to constantly undermine its own best interest. We say no. We say not anymore. Now let the whining begin.

Donald is NOT America and America is not Donald, but unfortunately, when Donald breaks treaties and alliances, America does.

GoldenBoy89 · Jul 15, 2018

Liza B. said:
He is acting with America's best interests at heart, and not running all over the world apologizing. God bless him for it, it's about time we act with our best interest at heart.

Oh, brother.... You really are serious, aren't you?

In the words of an American president: Sad!

GoldenBoy89 · Jul 15, 2018

LivingWordUnity said:
Do you have a source for that claim?

You are the source! :doh:

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