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Who is a Jew or the nation Israel.
This is what God has spoken through His prophets.


Genesis 17:3

Abram fell facedown, and God said to him, 4. "As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations. 5. No longer will you be called Abram; your name will be Abraham, for I have made you a father of many nations. 6. I will make you very fruitful; I will make nations of you, and kings will come from you. 7. I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you.


Genesis 35:11
And God said to him, "I am God Almighty; be fruitful and increase in number. A nation and a community of nations will come from you, and kings will come from your body.


Exodus 12:37
The Israelites journeyed from Rameses to Succoth. There were about six hundred thousand men on foot, besides women and children. 38. Many other people went up with them, as well as large droves of livestock, both flocks and herds.


Leviticus 19:34
The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.


Leviticus 24:22
You are to have the same law for the alien and the native-born. I am the LORD your God.


Numbers 15:15
The community is to have the same rules for you and for the alien living among you; this is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You and the alien shall be the same before the LORD :


Joshua 8:33
All Israel, aliens and citizens alike, with their elders, officials and judges, were standing on both sides of the ark of the covenant of the LORD, facing those who carried it—the priests, who were Levites. Half of the people stood in front of Mount Gerizim and half of them in front of Mount Ebal, as Moses the servant of the LORD had formerly commanded when he gave instructions to bless the people of Israel.


Esther 8:17
In every province and in every city, wherever the edict of the king went, there was joy and gladness among the Jews, with feasting and celebrating. And many people of other nationalities became Jews because fear of the Jews had seized them.

The word "Jew" was a nickname assigned by the Babylonians to anyone who either lived in or came from the area of Judea.

Psalm 2:4
The One enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord scoffs at them. 5. Then he rebukes them in his anger and terrifies them in his wrath, saying, 6. "I have installed my King
on Zion, my holy hill." 7. I will proclaim the decree of the LORD : He said to me, "You are my Son; today I have become your Father. 8. Ask of me, and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession.


Psalm 82:8
Rise up, O God, judge the earth, for all the nations are your inheritance.


Psalm 111:6
He has shown his people the power of his works, giving them the lands of other nations.


Isaiah 9:3
You have enlarged the nation and increased their joy; they rejoice before you as people rejoice at the harvest, as men rejoice when dividing the plunder.


Isaiah 14:1
The LORD will have compassion on Jacob; once again he will choose Israel and will settle them in their own land. Aliens will join them and unite with the house of Jacob.


Isaiah 26:15
You have enlarged the nation, O LORD; you have enlarged the nation. You have gained glory for yourself;
you have extended all the borders of the land.


Isaiah 44:5
One will say, 'I belong to the LORD '; another will call himself by the name of Jacob; still another will write on his hand, ['The LORD's / Yahwah],' and will take the name Israel.


Isaiah 56:3
Let no foreigner who has bound himself to the LORD say, "The LORD will surely exclude me from his people."- 6. And foreigners who bind themselves to the LORD to serve him, to love the name of the LORD, and to worship him, all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it
and who hold fast to my covenant-
7. these I will bring to my holy mountain and give them joy in my house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house will be called a house of prayer for all nations."
8. The Sovereign LORD declares— he who gathers the exiles of Israel: "I will gather still others to them besides those already gathered."


Ezekiel 47
21. "You are to distribute this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. 22. You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the aliens who have settled among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. 23. In whatever tribe the alien settles, there you are to give him his inheritance," declares the Sovereign LORD.


Zechariah 2:10
"Shout and be glad, O Daughter of Zion. For I am coming, and I will live among you," declares the LORD. 11. "Many nations will be joined with the LORD in that day and will become my people. I will live among you and you will know that the LORD Almighty has sent me to you. 12. The LORD will inherit Judah as his portion in the holy land and will again choose Jerusalem. 13. Be still before the LORD, all mankind, because he has roused himself from his holy dwelling."


Matthew 12:21
In his name the nations will put their hope."



The Parable of the Tenants
Luke 20
9. He went on to tell the people this parable: "A man planted a vineyard, rented it to some farmers and went away for a long time. 10. At harvest time he sent a servant to the tenants so they would give him some of the fruit of the vineyard. But the tenants beat him and sent him away empty-handed. 11. He sent another servant, but that one also they beat and treated shamefully and sent away empty-handed. 12. He sent still a third, and they wounded him and threw him out.
13. "Then the owner of the vineyard said, 'What shall I do? I will send my son, whom I love; perhaps they will respect him.' 14. "But when the tenants saw him, they talked the matter over. 'This is the heir,' they said. 'Let's kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.' 15. So they threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. "What then will the owner of the vineyard do to them? 16. He will come and kill those tenants and give the vineyard to others." When the people heard this, they said, "May this never be!" 17. Jesus looked directly at them and asked, "Then what is the meaning of that which is written:
 

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" 'The stone the builders rejected
has become the capstone? 18. Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces, and he on whom it falls will be crushed."

19. The teachers of the law and the chief priests looked for a way to arrest him immediately, because they knew he had spoken this parable against them. But they were afraid of the people.


Acts 3:25
And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, 'Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed.'


Romans 2:28
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29. But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


Romans 3:29
Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too,


Romans 4:13
It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14. For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, 15. because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.
16. Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all. 17. As it is written: "I have made you a father of many nations." He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed—the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.


Romans 4:18
Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him, "So shall your offspring be."


Romans 8:17
Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.


Romans 9:6
It is not as though God's word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned." 8. In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.


Romans 9:24
even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?


Romans 10:12
For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,...


Romans 10:19
Again I ask: Did Israel not understand? First, Moses says, "I will make you envious by those who are not a nation;...


1 Corinthians 14:21
In the Law it is written: "Through men of strange tongues and through the lips of foreigners I will speak to this people, but even then they will not listen to me," says the Lord.


Ephesians 2:12
remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.


Ephesians 2:19
Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household,...


Ephesians 3:6
This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.


Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.


Galatians 3:29
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Colossians 3:11
Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.


Titus 3:7
so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.


Revelation 2:9
I know your afflictions and your poverty—yet you are rich! I know the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.


Revelation 3:9
I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.


Isaiah 65:15
You will leave your name to my chosen ones as a curse; the Sovereign LORD will put you to death, but to his servants he will give another name.

Acts 11:26
and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called [Christians / Messianics] first at Antioch.


A Jew is a convert to Orthodox Judaism and the Hebrews are an ethnic group of people.

Contrary to popular belief, Jews are not a race, but an assembly of people. Hebrews are a race.

A Hebrew may or may not be a Jew.
 
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Abraham did not come from the other side of the Euphrates, he came from beyond the Euphrates; from beyond where the Euphrates starts. The river Euphrates was used as a trade route by ancient European peoples. It is said that the word "Hebrew" ("Ivri") means Jew, and is first used in the Torah to describe Abraham (Gen. 14:13); and that the word Jew is apparently derived from the name Eber, one of Abraham's ancestors. That notion is false.


Esther 8:17
In every province and in every city, wherever the edict of the king went, there was joy and gladness among the Jews, with feasting and celebrating. And many people of other nationalities became Jews because fear of the Jews had seized them.

The word "Jew" was a nickname assigned by the Babylonians to anyone who either lived in or came from the area of Judea.


In about the year 200 AD., R. Yehudah haNasi wrote a summary of legal disputes and rulings that had developed. The result was the Mishnah written in Hebrew.
The categories from the law considered “derabanan,” “meaning, from the rabbis.” This is not commanded by God, but legislated or interpreted by later rabbis.

The Jewish hereditary ruling became an issue after Christ was here.
 
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"And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham." John the Forerunner

Christ did not want the people thinking that they could be saved by their heritage.
 
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Regarding part 1 I’d trace the Hebrew peoples of Abraham (who was not an Israelite) through Isaac & Jacob (who were not Jews), and the individual covenant being bought into for the children of Israel. After Solomon (a Judahite) the name tag went north to Ephraim-Israel, leaving the Judahites and minor tribal representation in the south. Israel disappeared from the scene under Assyria, and in Babylonia the southern kingdom of Judah became known as Jews. Slowly the name Israel was restored among the Jews as the north kingdom (Ephraim) failed to return.

Yeshua defined some of his ethnic people as true Israelites (eg Nathanael), and some as not even Abrahamic, in fact demonic (Jhn.8). Paul similarly picked up the root meaning of the Israel plan was spiritual circumcision, of which the Sinaitic covenant had been the husk to the wheat: those denying the wheat he implied had become spiritually goyim, spiritually of Hagar. Thus the messianic community, the ekklēsia, could be called God’s Israel (Gal.6:16: NLT best; ISV worst). So I’d bring in the Johannine idea of the ‘true’ (alēthinos), and contrast the idea, ethnic Jews, with true Jews (multiethnic), and rejoice as much in ethnic Jews, as in ethnic goyim, becoming true Jews, true Israelites in messiah.

Regarding part 2, the nation of Israel I take to be composed on mainly ethnic Jews, according to the self-identification of its ruling class, within a loosely defined geographical area surrounding geographical Jerusalem (levels of spiritual Jerusalem exist). I deem the ethnic people and their traditional land to be desacralised into the state of the common—the whole earth is Yahweh’s. As a sovereign nation it should be treated fairly without fear or favour.

Judaism I take to be the predominant religion, begun in ad 70, of the ethnic Jews. It has long since fissipated into several varieties. Arabs can be Judaics; ethnic Jews can be Muslims.
 
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Only true Christians are Jews. Christians are Jews after the New covenant and the circumcision of the heart and spirit.
A New covenant will be made:Jeremiah 31:31-34, Isaiah 28:10,13-19, Ezekiel 36:23-27,29-31
The Old Covenant will not stand:Isaiah 28:13-19
The New law will be written in their Hearts:Jeremiah 31:33-34, Ezekiel 36:26
On a Tried stone will this Covenant be Made:Isaiah 28:16
This New Covenant will give the People a New Spirit:Ezekiel 36:26-27
The New Covenant will be of the Promise of Faith:Isaiah 28:16

Christ is the stone of the Foundation of the New Testament:Ephesians 2:19-22; Matt 16:17-18
The Stone which the Builders Refused is the Cornerstone psalm 118:22-23; Mark 12:10-11
Christ is the Stone the Builders Refused:Matt 21:41-46; Acts 4:8-12; 1 Peter 2:4-10; Romans
9:30-33
Christ is the Mediator of the New Testament:Hebrews 12:22-24, Hebrews 13:20-21, Hebrews
9:14-15, 1 Timothy 2:3-6, Hebrews 8:4-13, Hebrews 7:18-19,22-25, Hebrews 12:2, Matt
26:26-28, Luke 22:19-20; Mark 14:22-24
New Covenant is the Law of Liberty:James 1:,21,22,25; James 2:8,9,10,11,12
New Covenant is the Law of Life:Romans 8:2; Galatians 6:2; John 14:6
New Covenant is the Law of Righteousness:Romans 10:6; Romans 9:30
New Covenant is the Law of Salvation:Ephesians 2:8; Acts 4:12; Acts 28:28; Romans 1:16
New Covenant is the Law of Spirit:Romans 8:2; Romans 7:6,12,14,15,16,22,25; Romans
8:1,4,14; Romans 8:9,10,11,13,16
New covenant is the Law of Faith:Romans 3:21,22,24,25,26,27; Galatians 2:16; Hebrews 11;

The New Covenant is After the Circumcision of the Heart and Spirit:Romans 2:28-29; Acts
15:7-9; Romans 10:8; Colossians 2:11-13; Philippians 3:3
Kingdom was taken from the Old testament Jews and Given to us:Matt 21:43; Romans
10:19,20; Acts 28:25-28

Those who profess to be Jews Today that continue to follow the Torah and who claim ownership of Israel are those spoken of in Revelation 3:9 Revelation 2:9.
 
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Only true Christians are Jews. Christians are Jews after the New covenant and the circumcision of the heart and spirit.

Paul spoke of his genetic tie to the people of Israel (Rm.10:1), a.k.a. Jews, even if by and large they were unsaved in the sense of being outside of the messianic community (salvation level 3): he literally bled for them. Nowadays some Judaics deny that any ‘Jews’ can be Christians—an abuse of language but they mean that no Judaic can be a Christian, even as no Muslim can be a Christian but any Arabs & Pakistanis can be: genes are not faith. On the other hand you assert that only Christians are Jews (not Judaics). I think you have swung too far the other extreme. IMO it makes most sense to say that some are genetically Jews (whether their religion is atheism, Christianity, Islam, or Judaism), and that the only spiritual sense of ‘Israelite/Jew’ is ‘Christian’. Your Bible study makes the latter point strongly enough, I think.
Revelation takes us to some ethnic-Jewish extremists who were conspiring against the church, and the irony is that like the goyim of Is.60:14, these ethnic Jews will "come submissively in chains to the people of God, and acknowledge Yahweh as supreme" (Stephen S Smalley's The Revelation of John, 2005:91). The ethnic identity of Jew is never biblically denied, only the spiritual sense of the term Jew.
 
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Paul spoke of his genetic tie to the people of Israel (Rm.10:1), a.k.a. Jews, even if by and large they were unsaved in the sense of being outside of the messianic community (salvation level 3): he literally bled for them. Nowadays some Judaics deny that any ‘Jews’ can be Christians—an abuse of language but they mean that no Judaic can be a Christian, even as no Muslim can be a Christian but any Arabs & Pakistanis can be: genes are not faith. On the other hand you assert that only Christians are Jews (not Judaics). I think you have swung too far the other extreme. IMO it makes most sense to say that some are genetically Jews (whether their religion is atheism, Christianity, Islam, or Judaism), and that the only spiritual sense of ‘Israelite/Jew’ is ‘Christian’. Your Bible study makes the latter point strongly enough, I think.
Revelation takes us to some ethnic-Jewish extremists who were conspiring against the church, and the irony is that like the goyim of Is.60:14, these ethnic Jews will "come submissively in chains to the people of God, and acknowledge Yahweh as supreme" (Stephen S Smalley's The Revelation of John, 2005:91). The ethnic identity of Jew is never biblically denied, only the spiritual sense of the term Jew.
Brother,

1. When Paul refers to his brethren in blood he is indeed referring to his Hebrew brothers(Genetic descendants of Abraham/Shem). These were the people of the Old Physical Israel after the Mosaic covenant, and the Physical circumcision. These people were Hebrew by blood, but the people living in Israel today are not Jews since their blood has mingled to the point they are no longer pure as they were commanded to remain(Ezra 9:1-4, 10-14; Ezra 10:2-5, 10-12, 14-44; Nehemiah 13:13; Malachi 2:11,14,15,16; Deut 7:2-4; Deut 23:1-10; Leviticus 21:7:13-15; Exodus 34:12,16; 1 Kings 11:1-9,23-28; Genesis 27:46-Genesis 28:1-6; Genesis 24:3-4; Psalm 106:34-32). Since there are no/very few(if any) hebrews with pure blood today then there are no Jews by Blood today. So those Jews who today claim to be Jews(by blood) are in fact not Jews but of the synagogue of Satan. The same who work against Christ and his people and are spoken of in Revelation( Revelation 3:9 Revelation 2:9).

Those in Israel(worldly/earthly Israel) today are those who will be destroyed as prophesied in Zech 14:1-2, Isaiah 13:16, where only a residue will survive Zech 14:2. But that is a different subject altogether, which I would be happy to discuss in another section/topic if you would like.

So again brother, the only true Jews today are Christian Jews after the circumcision of the heart and maybe a handful by blood(pure blood).
 
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Who is a Jew or the nation Israel.
This is what God has spoken through His prophets.


Genesis 17:3

Abram fell facedown, and God said to him, 4. "As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations. 5. No longer will you be called Abram; your name will be Abraham, for I have made you a father of many nations. 6. I will make you very fruitful; I will make nations of you, and kings will come from you. 7. I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you.


Genesis 35:11
And God said to him, "I am God Almighty; be fruitful and increase in number. A nation and a community of nations will come from you, and kings will come from your body.


Exodus 12:37
The Israelites journeyed from Rameses to Succoth. There were about six hundred thousand men on foot, besides women and children. 38. Many other people went up with them, as well as large droves of livestock, both flocks and herds.


Leviticus 19:34
The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born.
Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.


Leviticus 24:22
You are to have the same law for the alien and the native-born. I am the LORD your God.


Numbers 15:15
The community is to have the same rules for you and for the alien living among you;
this is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You and the alien shall be the same before the LORD :


Joshua 8:33
All Israel, aliens and citizens alike
, with their elders, officials and judges, were standing on both sides of the ark of the covenant of the LORD, facing those who carried it—the priests, who were Levites. Half of the people stood in front of Mount Gerizim and half of them in front of Mount Ebal, as Moses the servant of the LORD had formerly commanded when he gave instructions to bless the people of Israel.


Esther 8:17
In every province and in every city, wherever the edict of the king went, there was joy and gladness among the Jews, with feasting and celebrating. And many people of other nationalities became Jews because fear of the Jews had seized them.

The word "Jew" was a nickname assigned by the Babylonians to anyone who either lived in or came from the area of Judea.

Psalm 2:4
The One enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord scoffs at them. 5. Then he rebukes them in his anger and terrifies them in his wrath, saying, 6. "I have installed my King
on Zion, my holy hill." 7. I will proclaim the decree of the LORD : He said to me, "You are my Son; today I have become your Father. 8. Ask of me, and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession.


Psalm 82:8
Rise up, O God, judge the earth, for all the nations are your inheritance.


Psalm 111:6
He has shown his people the power of his works, giving them the lands of other nations.


Isaiah 9:3
You have enlarged the nation
and increased their joy; they rejoice before you as people rejoice at the harvest, as men rejoice when dividing the plunder.


Isaiah 14:1
The LORD will have compassion on Jacob; once again he will choose Israel and will settle them in their own land. Aliens will join them and unite with the house of Jacob.


Isaiah 26:15
You have enlarged the nation, O LORD; you have enlarged the nation.
You have gained glory for yourself;
you have extended all the borders of the land.


Isaiah 44:5
One will say, 'I belong to the LORD '; another will call himself by the name of Jacob; still another will write on his hand, ['The LORD's / Yahwah],' and will take the name Israel.


Isaiah 56:3
Let no foreigner who has bound himself to the LORD say, "The LORD will surely exclude me from his people."-
6. And foreigners who bind themselves to the LORD to serve him, to love the name of the LORD, and to worship him, all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it
and who hold fast to my covenant-
7. these I will bring to my holy mountain and give them joy in my house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house will be called a house of prayer for all nations."
8. The Sovereign LORD declares— he who gathers the exiles of Israel: "I will gather still others to them besides those already gathered."


Ezekiel 47
21. "You are to distribute this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. 22. You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the aliens who have settled among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. 23. In whatever tribe the alien settles, there you are to give him his inheritance," declares the Sovereign LORD.


Zechariah 2:10
"Shout and be glad, O Daughter of Zion. For I am coming, and I will live among you," declares the LORD. 11. "Many nations will be joined with the LORD in that day and will become my people. I will live among you and you will know that the LORD Almighty has sent me to you. 12. The LORD will inherit Judah as his portion in the holy land and will again choose Jerusalem. 13. Be still before the LORD, all mankind, because he has roused himself from his holy dwelling."


Matthew 12:21
In his name the nations will put their hope."



The Parable of the Tenants
Luke 20

9. He went on to tell the people this parable: "A man planted a vineyard, rented it to some farmers and went away for a long time. 10. At harvest time he sent a servant to the tenants so they would give him some of the fruit of the vineyard. But the tenants beat him and sent him away empty-handed. 11. He sent another servant, but that one also they beat and treated shamefully and sent away empty-handed. 12. He sent still a third, and they wounded him and threw him out.
13. "Then the owner of the vineyard said, 'What shall I do? I will send my son, whom I love; perhaps they will respect him.' 14. "But when the tenants saw him, they talked the matter over. 'This is the heir,' they said. 'Let's kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.' 15. So they threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. "What then will the owner of the vineyard do to them? 16. He will come and kill those tenants and give the vineyard to others." When the people heard this, they said, "May this never be!" 17. Jesus looked directly at them and asked, "Then what is the meaning of that which is written:

The first time "Jew" is mentioned in that form is in Esther,

Mordecai,

3:4b,

............to see whether Mordecai,s words would stand up,
for he had told them he was a Jew.

(Mordecai was a Benjamite, btw)

Every Jew has the same background,

Abrahan, Isaac, Jacob, Sarah. Rebecka, Rakel and Lea.

It is a soul matter.

The Jewish soul (600,000?)stood at Sinai and said as in one voice,

"We will do and we will hear."
 
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