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The gift of discerning of spirits may need to come into operation.
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What are you talking about ?Instead of trying to destroy one man's work , why don't you do something yourself ! : Wonder what God thinks about this ?
You get a 10 out of 10 for just being argumentative , just like certain people did to Jesus no matter what he said
2 Peter 1(20): says not to give ANY private interpretations but scripture only :
All I see here is your own private interpretations : not a single scripture to be found anywhere :
I give no credence to private interpretations only scripture
you really badly need to learn 2 Peter 1(20)
Every time I have tried to talk inside the church , I get thrown out
just like they threw Jesus out in Luke 4
Better a little occasional confusion with movement of the spirit , than a totally controlled by men , spititually dead church , because there is no moving of God's spirit : but death : there is no confusion here because they are dead : is this what you are pushing ?
The name “Nicolaitans” is from from the Greek nikolaos to conquer or to subdue and word laos is the people. where the word laity comes from
Um, not exactly. Νικολαΐτης are adherents of Νικόλαος (1?) This could be one of the helpers in Acts 6:5 (ESV)
5 And what they said pleased the whole gathering, and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolaus, (Νικόλαος) a proselyte of Antioch.
The Greek etymology here is also weak. The Greek word νικάω or nikao means to conquer, overcome or prevail depending on context. It is related to the Greek word νίκη or nike meaning victory.
The Greek word for laity is λαϊκός or laikos meaning unofficial or lay. So combining the to would be nikaolaikos? I don't think that works.
We should probably stick to reading the text as it was written rather than looking for something that is not there. The fact is we don't know much about who the Nicolaitans were. There are however a couple of clues in the writings of the early church fathers writing in the second century AD. For example Irenaeus of Lyons writes:
3. The Nicolaitanes are the followers of that Nicolas who was one of the seven first ordained to the diaconate by the apostles. They lead lives of unrestrained indulgence. The character of these men is very plainly pointed out in the Apocalypse of John, [when they are represented] as teaching that it is a matter of indifference to practise adultery, and to eat things sacrificed to idols. Wherefore the Word has also spoken of them thus: “But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.”2
Irenaeus of Lyons. (1885). Irenæus against Heresies. In A. Roberts, J. Donaldson, & A. C. Coxe (Eds.), The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus (Vol. 1, p. 352). Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Company.
Or Hippolytus of Rome:
CHAP. XXIV.—THE MELCHISEDECIANS; THE NICOLAITANS
While, however, different questions have arisen among them, a certain (heretic), who himself also was styled Theodotus, and who was by trade a banker, attempted to establish (the doctrine), that a certain Melchisedec constitutes the greatest power, and that this one is greater than Christ. And they allege that Christ happens to be according to the likeness (of this Melchisedec). And they themselves, similarly with those who have been previously spoken of as adherents of Theodotus, assert that Jesus is a (mere) man, and that, in conformity with the same account (already given), Christ descended upon him.
There are, however, among the Gnostics diversities of opinion; but we have decided that it would not be worth while to enumerate the silly doctrines of these (heretics), inasmuch as they are (too) numerous and devoid of reason, and full of blasphemy. Now, even those (of the heretics) who are of a more serious turn in regard of the Divinity, and have derived their systems of speculation from the Greeks, must stand convicted3 (of these charges). But Nicolaus has been a cause of the wide-spread combination of these wicked men. He, as one of the seven (that were chosen) for the diaconate,5 was appointed by the Apostles. (But Nicolaus) departed from correct doctrine, and was in the habit of inculcating indifferency of both life and food. And when the disciples (of Nicolaus) continued to offer insult to the Holy Spirit, John reproved them in the Apocalypse as fornicators and eaters of things offered unto idols.7
Hippolytus of Rome. (1886). The Refutation of All Heresies. In A. Roberts, J. Donaldson, & A. C. Coxe (Eds.), J. H. MacMahon (Trans.), Fathers of the Third Century: Hippolytus, Cyprian, Novatian, Appendix (Vol. 5, p. 115). Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Company.
It seems Nicolaus fell into some sort of gnostic heresy and gathered followers into his error. That seems to be what the Lord is saying in Rev 2:6. I would think if the Lord wanted to rebuke those in the pulpit He would have done it in a much clearer fashion.
Rather than argue what the word means, fully persuaded that the definition I presented is accurate,
Why worry ?Well, no, it's not accurate. A Nicolaitan is not a pastor. A Pastor is a pastor and a Nicolaitan is a Nicolaitan. If God the Holy Spirit meant to write Pastor He would have done so. There are plenty of verses that deal with the subject of pastors but this is not one of them.
I have no issue with the first part of your post. Where I object is inserting a definition that simply isn't there in the text.
Well, no, it's not accurate. A Nicolaitan is not a pastor. A Pastor is a pastor and a Nicolaitan is a Nicolaitan. If God the Holy Spirit meant to write Pastor He would have done so. There are plenty of verses that deal with the subject of pastors but this is not one of them.
I have no issue with the first part of your post. Where I object is inserting a definition that simply isn't there in the text.
You're not a lutheran, was Luther sacrificed for you
You're not a _________________ (insert denomination) Did the one from whom it originated, (sought after disciples for himself) Was he sacrificed for you.
These are all human constructs, that by their traditions, nullifies the word of YAH
The two names (Nicolaitans, Balaam) have very similar meanings in their respective languages: “Balaam is derived from two Hebrew words, בָּלַע [bālaʿ] (‘he swallows’) and עָם [ʿām] (‘people’). Interestingly, according to the derivative meanings of the names, the two groups troubling this church [Pergamos] were ‘swallowers of the people’ (i.e., the Balaamites) and ‘conquerors of the people’ (i.e., the Nicolaitans).” If the similar meaning of their names is significant and their mention in adjoining verses in the letter to Pergamos is intended to show a relationship, then it is thought that the licentious tendencies of the Nicolaitans might be understood in light of the doctrine of balaam.
balaam swallower of the people
nicolaitans - conqueror of the people
In succesive verses to the called out ones in pergamos, the place of satan's seat
balaam - nicolaitans / same thing
Revelation 2:14-15
The value of Irenaeus’s references to the Nicolaitans is doubtful. The primary passage (adv. Haer. 1.26.3) tells us that they followed Nicolaus, one of the seven deacons of Acts Acts 6:5, but adds nothing which might not have been inferred from the Revelation.