Healing, and the truth in God's Word.

Tolworth John said:

How do you counsel the frequent poster with medical issues who are seeking healing through prayer, but are not getting healed? Please don't mention faith as that has nothing to do with the sick person.

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There could be several reasons why God's people who are seeking healing through prayer and yet, not receiving. You ask not to mention "faith", but to be clear, faith has everything to do with whether you receive, or not. If the prayer of (believing) faith is NOT in the (seeking) of your healing... then the opposite will completely take over, which is doubt and unbelief. The Church needs to fully TRUST in God (as they pray), if... they expect to receive His promises. See (Mark 11:24) the short version of that verse is "I believe, I receive... when I pray." As for medications, we at WOF are not against that at all. Taking medication is not a "lack of faith." The "meds" fight symptoms. God does the healing.

Many Christians miss this about doing the "believing" (regardless of what you see) at the time you pray for your healing. After prayer, just believe you received (in faith) and TRUST in God... and rest in His Word that will not return unto Him void. "So shall my word be that goes forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void"... (Isaiah 55:11)

Faith's Confession Creates Reality (Kenneth Hagin)... so bare in mind that our faith keeps pace with our confession. If, after the (prayer of faith) is applied for your healing and the manifestation doesn't happen right away.... don't let doubt, worry, or unbelief... rob you of your confession for it will destroy your faith. (Hebrews 4:14) tells us to "hold fast to our profession (or con-fession) of faith", (EVEN... if symptoms remain, or gets worse.) As you simply believe and enter into His rest means... YOU rest (in Him) and Only Believe while He works for you.

I only hit a few areas in some of the "Whys" we don't receive. God wants us to (stop trying) and (start trusting) in His love for us. He wants us to stop working and struggling, and start resting and believing in His grace toward us. The only "work" left for us to do today is to enter His rest [AND]... the Word (even) says we are to LABOR (work hard) to enter His rest.

One final thought... CHRISTIANS operating in "unbelief" for their sickness and diseases may remain that way until they do believe that God provided healing for them by the finished works of Jesus Christ. We need to continually renew our minds with His Word. The Word says, "And be not conformed to this world: but be you transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God" (Romans 12:2).

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Tolworth John said:

The most certain thing in the bible is that God wants people to be saved and for them to grow in Christ. Everything else is window dressing when viewed from eternity.

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Christians need to understand what (being saved) really means. The word "saved" is the Greek word "SOZO" that means saved, healed, delivered, and to be made whole. Yes, God wants the unbelievers to receive salvation and grow in Christ, but!... with the same faith applied for salvation also applies to receiving healing, deliverance, and wholeness... and I'll even add prosperity. (That should raise some eyebrows). This is another area of the Word where Christians need to renew their minds on what salvation fully means.

Simon the Tanner said:

So I have to counsel them without saying what Jesus said ... like "all things are possible to him that believes" or "whatever you ask in prayer believing, you will receive"? I can't mention that Jesus told the woman with the issue of blood "your faith has made you whole"? Isn't that a bit like telling counselor in a drug clinic that they can't bring religion into their therapy? Or like telling people who counsel transgenders that you can't tell them what the Bible says about gender identity? If I can't counsel them without the Word of God then I don't have much to work with. I guess I'd just say "good luck ... hope your medical insurance is good".

As for the HIV/aids stuff, I don't know about your church's missionary but there are WoF people who minister to the sick in Africa and Latin America. In fact, Joel Osteen's brother is a medical missionary.

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That is fine for those for whom prayer and faith works, unfortunetly there are many for whom a timely intervention with therapy would have helped, but now need more expencive hospital treatment.

God has given us medicine and doctors for a reason.

hhodgson said:

aith has everything to do with whether you receive, or not. If the prayer of (believing) faith is NOT in the (seeking) of your healing..

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As in James 5:14-16 where it is the faith of the elders praying, not the faith of the sick person.

All too often a sick person is fobbed off with the excuse that YOU did not have faith. As I saiod it has nothing to do with the faith of the sick.
Yes Jesus tested many who came for him for healing, that is his right.

Healing is under God's control we do not have the right to expect to be healed.

now faith said:

No I am not like Job, I have Christ who paid for my Sin.

Romans 8: 1. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4. That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

Are you like a Pharisee?

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Go to the end where it says, 'All things worh together for the good of those who are called by Jesus.'

Do you believe that?

Now read what happened to Job and reread those verse again.

Do you believe them?

Now start reading about the perscution of Christians in other lands how would you or I react?

Does All things work together for the good of those who are called by Jesus?

Tolworth John said:

That is fine for those for whom prayer and faith works, unfortunetly there are many for whom a timely intervention with therapy would have helped, but now need more expencive hospital treatment.

God has given us medicine and doctors for a reason.

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Once again, WoF is not opposed to medicine. That's a misconception.

Tolworth John said:

That is fine for those for whom prayer and faith works, unfortunetly there are many for whom a timely intervention with therapy would have helped, but now need more expencive hospital treatment.

God has given us medicine and doctors for a reason.

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I just need a clarification here.

I agree, people should not accept a healing as complete, if there aren't any signs of that healing ever taking place....Seek Medical attention.

Then there is the question of, if someone is prayed for, for a physical healing, how long of a period of time should the person who was prayed for expect to see a manifestation of that healing?

The only example of healing through prayer comes from the Bible, Jesus and the Apostles, but they really didn't ever pray as we see and hear people do it today, they spoke the word of faith and the healing was accomplished, the person wasn't ever told to go home and they should see some improvement in a few days.

But now someone is prayed for and they will wait for a month before going to a Doctor and that is only because they now have gangrene and the wound stinks.

Sorry I had an axe that needed sharpening....My clarification question is in blue.

JIMINZ said:

Then there is the question of, if someone is prayed for, for a physical healing, how long of a period of time should the person who was prayed for expect to see a manifestation of that healing?

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I believe what the bible teaches, even the parts I don't like.
Jesus and the disciples healed people and healed them immediately, so I think it reasonable that if God is going to heal miraculously that it will be immediately.

JIMINZ said:

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My clarification question is in blue.

Then there is the question of, if someone is prayed for, for a physical healing, how long of a period of time should the person who was prayed for expect to see a manifestation of that healing?

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Hey JIMINX, to your question here... So, what’s the problem? Actually, there are many problems, but I think most of them can be summed up by what Jesus said in (Mark 7:13) ...."making the Word of God of no effect through your traditions which has been handed down. And many such things that you do."

Most of us have had times when we have prayed a prayer of faith for healing, and our prayers seemed to go unanswered. So, we get into the Word of God, planted a seed, and prayed for a miracle. Then, nothing happened! Would you believe that (one) of the main problems is that many people STOP believing at that moment because of relying on their human faith of the five senses. IOW, we didn't "see" it, we didn't "feel" it, so we didn't receive our healing.

Some people will say it’s a lie to speak that you’re healed when you don’t feel healed, but again, that’s operating only by your five senses. (Natural) "faith" is "seeing to believe" but, when (supernatural) "faith" is applied, it's "believing to see." Many, if not (most) illness's takes time to manifest in the physical. Often, WE step out of faith (stop believing) and stop the manifestation from coming.

God’s Word says in (Mark 11:24), "What things soever you desire, when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you shall have them." This is where most Christians stumble. The Bible says to "believe" when you pray that you have received. In a previous post I use the short version of (Mark 11:24) "I believe, I receive, when I pray.

We all should be familiar with (Matthew 7:7), which says, "Ask, and it shall be given you." HOWEVER, when we don’t see an immediate manifestation to prayer, we'el say something like, "Well, apparently not everyone receives." That’s not scriptural because the (very) next verse says, "For every one that asks receives."

If you pray and don’t see manifestation immediately, God is waiting on you to stand against the devil and bring it into being. It's called spiritual warfare. See (John 10:10) "The thief (Satan) comes only to steal, kill, and destroy." And Jesus says that the devil steals the Word from people’s heart because of NOT being sowed in good ground.

Remembering the parable of the sower in what Jesus said in (Luke 8:4-15) "The sower sows the Word and those by the wayside are they that hear; then comes the devil, and steals the Word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved" (Sozo). In (Mark 4:15-20) ...."When they hear, Satan comes immediately and steals away the Word that WAS sown in their hearts before the seed (rooted) in themselves, and were choked out and became unfruitful."

I hope this helps but Christians need to absorb themselves into the Word of God (Romans 12:2) and transform themselves by the (renewing of their minds) so that they may prove what the will of God is, that is good, exceptable and perfect. This is done by NOT conforming to the pattern of this world which would involve many things, including UNBELIEF.

(Sozo) Saved, healed, delivered, and made whole

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Not to be rude, but God's way is not our way.
God will do as He has said He will ,and it is not conditional upon your beliefs.
There are no parts in God's Word that I do not like.
It is not a cafeteria that we muddle about tossing out what we Choose.
Chrisianity is watered down by how people feel, rather than obedience toward Christ.

Mark 8: 3. And if I send them away fasting to their own houses, they will faint by the way: for divers of them came from far. 22. And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him. 23. And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought. 24. And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking. 25. After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.

Was this instantly no, after the second time the blind man was made whole.
Christ perceived the man's Faith and knew the blind man needed a creative mircial.
Christ could have gave him hawk eyes, yet He used the Faith the blind man had.

Before we make absolute statements we need to make sure they are correct.

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It was instantaneous, Jesus didn't tell the blind man to go home and if nothing happened to come back next week and I will spit on you again.
NO, he was healed at that sitting, not 30 min. later, but right then.

Before we make absolute statements, we need to make sure they are correct.

Tolworth John said:

I believe what the bible teaches, even the parts I don't like.
Jesus and the disciples healed people and healed them immediately, so I think it reasonable that if God is going to heal miraculously that it will be immediately.

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Not always. Remember the 10 lepers who were healed "as they went"? Only one of them was willing to make the trip back to thank Jesus. Then in John 4:52 we see that the son of the royal official in Capernaum "began to get better" at the same hour that Jesus said he would. Just two examples of people with non-immediate healings. If that was the case with Jesus why would we expect any different with His followers?

Simon the Tanner said:

Not always. Remember the 10 lepers who were healed "as they went"? Only one of them was willing to make the trip back to thank Jesus. Then in John 4:52 we see that the son of the royal official in Capernaum "began to get better" at the same hour that Jesus said he would. Just two examples of people with non-immediate healings. If that was the case with Jesus why would we expect any different with His followers?

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Jesus Cleanses Ten Lepers
Luk 17:11 And it came to pass, as he went to Jerusalem, that he passed through the midst of Samaria and Galilee.
Luk 17:12 And as he entered into a certain village, there met him ten men that were lepers, which stood afar off:
Luk 17:13 And they lifted up their voices, and said, Jesus, Master, have mercy on us.
Luk 17:14 And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed.
Luk 17:15 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,
Luk 17:16 And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan.
Luk 17:17 And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?
Luk 17:18 There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger.
Luk 17:19 And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.

All ten were cleansed as they went to the Priests, but they were close enough that the Samaritan turned back and Glorified God, notice he didn't go all the way to the Priests, he was healed as he went, and so were the other 9 even though they didn't return......It was close enough to be considered to be instantaneous.


Jesus Heals an Official's Son
Joh 4:46 So Jesus came again into Cana of Galilee, where he made the water wine. And there was a certain nobleman, whose son was sick at Capernaum.
Joh 4:47 When he heard that Jesus was come out of Judaea into Galilee, he went unto him, and besought him that he would come down, and heal his son: for he was at the point of death.
Joh 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
Joh 4:49 The nobleman saith unto him, Sir, come down ere my child die.
Joh 4:50 Jesus saith unto him, Go thy way; thy son liveth. And the man believed the word that Jesus had spoken unto him, and he went his way.
Joh 4:51 And as he was now going down, his servants met him, and told him, saying, Thy son liveth.
Joh 4:52 Then enquired he of them the hour when he began to amend. And they said unto him, Yesterday at the seventh hour the fever left him.
Joh 4:53 So the father knew that it was at the same hour, in the which Jesus said unto him, Thy son liveth: and himself believed, and his whole house.
Joh 4:54 This is again the second miracle that Jesus did, when he was come out of Judaea into Galilee.


How close does Immediately have to be before you will understand Instantaneously, the very split second,.....comon really?