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GoldenBoy89 · Jul 11, 2018

LostMarbels said:
And I thanked you for it. Your doing a great job. Keep it up.

You might want to get back onto the racist, bigot, xenophobe thingy tho before you lose traction. That ALWAYS works. Use it.

You do know the person you're replying to isn't a Democrat, right?

GoldenBoy89 · Jul 11, 2018

LostMarbels said:
I am assuming you are not familiar with Maxine Waters?

I think I might have heard of her once before.

Your point?

LostMarbels · Jul 11, 2018

Gadarene said:
No, I outlined why this was a hypocritical stance some time back.

I’ve already done so. Do you need me to use shorter words?

P.S - learn what an ad hominem is. That wasn’t an ad hom. Do better.

You are awesome. You don't need shorter words, just type slower so I can keep up. Cant read that fast.

(an argument or reaction directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.)

Gadarene · Jul 11, 2018

LostMarbels said:
You are awesome. You don't need shorter words, just type slower so I can keep up. Cant read that fast.

(an argument or reaction directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.)

Good. And I pointed out that the position is hypocritical, which it is - and thus one who holds it is being a hypocrite.

PreviouslySeeking... · Jul 11, 2018

LostMarbels said:
I am assuming you are not familiar with Maxine Waters?

Maxine Waters suggested confronting Trump officials/ members of his administration in public spaces. Confront as in verbally.

Nothing to do with assaulting random teens in MAGA hats.

LostMarbels · Jul 11, 2018

GoldenBoy89 said:
You do know the person you're replying to isn't a Democrat, right?

It doesn't matter. Same arguments.

GoldenBoy89 said:
I think I might have heard of her once before.

Your point?

If you do not know what I am speaking of... how do you have a stance against it?

GoldenBoy89 · Jul 11, 2018

PreviouslySeeking... said:
Maxine Waters suggested confronting Trump officials/ members of his administration in public spaces. Confront as in verbally.

Nothing to do with assaulting random teens in MAGA hats.

There was a thread for this exact story right after it happened. Literally no one defended or condoned what he did.

GoldenBoy89 · Jul 11, 2018

LostMarbels said:
It doesn't matter. Same arguments.

It kinda does If you're telling him to keep it up as if what he's doing is somehow contributing to people leaving the party.

If you do not know what I am speaking of... how do you have a stance against it?

I know who and what you were talking about, guy. She didn't say what you imagine she did.

LostMarbels · Jul 11, 2018

PreviouslySeeking... said:
Maxine Waters suggested confronting Trump officials/ members of his administration in public spaces. Confront as in verbally.

Nothing to do with assaulting random teens in MAGA hats.

This is kind of the entire point. Many Dems or those who support them do not even see the hatred their rhetoric is causing. But others are seeing it for what it is. These actions taken against this administration and his supporters is condoned by the left. Not one of them come out and condemn it. The constant unabated attacks and rhetoric are becoming the accusers own detriment. This policy of identity politics is not working. It will destroy the Dems because they will not stop.

LostMarbels · Jul 11, 2018

GoldenBoy89 said:
There was a thread for this exact story right after it happened. Literally no one defended or condoned what he did.

On the grassroots level I agree. The leadership however is still pushing an anti Trump agenda. Some have gotten sick of it and are leaving.

GoldenBoy89 said:
It kinda does If you're telling him to keep it up as if what he's doing is somehow contributing to people leaving the party.

He is. It does not matter where or who it is coming from, no one will endure years of constant attacks without reprisals. The envelope has already been pushed too far. No one cares who is continuing to push it. They just are tired of it continuing to get pushed.

GoldenBoy89 said:
I know who and what you were talking about, guy. She didn't say what you imagine she did.

I know you did. Why do I need to play your game? I'm a grown man, speak to me plainly and I will respond.

LostMarbels · Jul 11, 2018

Gadarene said:
Good. And I pointed out that the position is hypocritical, which it is - and thus one who holds it is being a hypocrite.

Interesting. Do you also find the Democrats that are leaving due to the current political climate as hypocritical?

PreviouslySeeking... · Jul 11, 2018

LostMarbels said:
This is kind of the entire point. Many Dems or those who support them do not even see the hatred their rhetoric is causing. But others are seeing it for what it is. These actions taken against this administration and his supporters is condoned by the left. Not one of them come out and condemn it. The constant unabated attacks and rhetoric are becoming the accusers own detriment. This policy of identity politics is not working. It will destroy the Dems because they will not stop.

Your point is bad. You are literally taking one side to task for things that both do.

I'm sorry, but the Dems aren't causing hatred. Identity politics won't disappear for reasons greater than the DNC. We have problems that have long existed and brushing them aside and afixiaff a bandage isn't working anymore. Sticking our heads in the sand won't fix it.

LostMarbels · Jul 11, 2018

PreviouslySeeking... said:
Your point is bad.

As an American I respect your right to hold that opinion. I do however find myself in the opinion that you may not even clearly understand the point I am attempting to convey.

PreviouslySeeking... said:
You are literally taking one side to task for things that both do.

No. Trumps supports and/or republicans do not beat and/or assault members of their political opposition. We also do not have any leaders that call for the harassment of political figures in public spaces. Both sides speak harshly at times. Dems however have become physical, and are becoming dangerous to the point of actual physical and or bodily harm.

PreviouslySeeking... said:
I'm sorry, but the Dems aren't causing hatred.

Causing? Perpetuating? I believe it is down to semantics at this point.

PreviouslySeeking... said:
Identity politics won't disappear for reasons greater than the DNC.

Identity politics are ineffectual concerning a long term policy. Such flair ups burn out and lose their gusto after a long period of time. Its been 2 years. People are sick of crying wolf.

SummerMadness · Jul 11, 2018

Gadarene said:
Hmmm, I’d rather keep pointing out what hypocritical horse manure you and the other Walkaway shills are spreading. Not a single one of you has responded to this point - apparently the right is purer than the driven snow and the left keeps committing the heinous crime of hurting your feels which means they are irredeemable and you should just totally leave.

And you call us snowflakes

Walk away is a real movement, I've been seeing so many liberal friends posting it on Facebook. It's crazy when you see the comments from their friends trying to tell them not to. I've also witnessed people unfriending their walkaway friends. #walkaway

Hank77 · Jul 11, 2018

LostMarbels said:
No. Trumps supports and/or republicans do not beat and/or assault members of their political opposition. We also do not have any leaders that call for the harassment of political figures in public spaces. Both sides speak harshly at times. Dems however have become physical, and are becoming dangerous to the point of actual physical and or bodily harm.

There has been attacks, property damage, and harassment going on ever since Trump announced that he was running for president. It's happening on both sides. Now I have to say here that Maxine Waters, imo, is just out there, a troublemaker, and should not be taken seriously. She, I believe, is damaging to the party.

South Boston brothers plead guilty to brazen beating

Detailed Description

It was not enough for two South Boston brothers to urinate on a sleeping homeless man in August. They punched him repeatedly, and beat him with a metal pole. They called him a “wetback.”

Then they high-fived each other and walked away.

On Monday, the brothers — Scott Leader, 38, and Steven Leader, 30 — pleaded guilty to several felony charges in the unprovoked attack, including assault and battery, intimidation, and civil rights violations.

Scott Leader, who prosecutors said has a history of hate crimes against minorities, was sentenced to three years in state prison. Steven Leader was sentenced to at least two years behind bars.

Both sentences are followed by three years of probation.

One of the South Boston brothers accused of beating and urinating on the victim said he was inspired in part by Donald Trump.

The Dorchester attack drew national attention because of its random cruelty and explicit nature. Prosecutors said the men beat 58-year-old Guillermo Rodriguez because they thought he was an illegal immigrant. Scott Leader told police the violence was acceptable because the victim was homeless and Hispanic.

“Donald Trump was right, all these illegals need to be deported,” Scott Leader said after the attack, according to authorities.

In a mostly empty Boston courtroom, Suffolk Superior Court Justice Peter B. Krupp denounced the attack as “cowardly and despicable.”

Suffolk County prosecutor Nicole Rimar said the incident “was an unprovoked attack on a sleeping man based completely off racial hostility.”
More Information

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/05/16/brothers-plead-guilty-beating-homeless-immigrant/jpbvoo23yr2sntgKwtQ6KI/story.htm

More attacks and harassment .....
https://americasvoice.org/trumphatemap/

LostMarbels · Jul 11, 2018

Hank77 said:
There has been attacks, property damage, and harassment going on ever since Trump announced that he was running for president. It's happening on both sides. Now I have to say here that Maxine Waters, imo, is just out there, a troublemaker, and should not be taken seriously. She, I believe, is damaging to the party.

South Boston brothers plead guilty to brazen beating

Detailed Description

It was not enough for two South Boston brothers to urinate on a sleeping homeless man in August. They punched him repeatedly, and beat him with a metal pole. They called him a “wetback.”

Then they high-fived each other and walked away.

On Monday, the brothers — Scott Leader, 38, and Steven Leader, 30 — pleaded guilty to several felony charges in the unprovoked attack, including assault and battery, intimidation, and civil rights violations.

Scott Leader, who prosecutors said has a history of hate crimes against minorities, was sentenced to three years in state prison. Steven Leader was sentenced to at least two years behind bars.

Both sentences are followed by three years of probation.

One of the South Boston brothers accused of beating and urinating on the victim said he was inspired in part by Donald Trump.

The Dorchester attack drew national attention because of its random cruelty and explicit nature. Prosecutors said the men beat 58-year-old Guillermo Rodriguez because they thought he was an illegal immigrant. Scott Leader told police the violence was acceptable because the victim was homeless and Hispanic.

“Donald Trump was right, all these illegals need to be deported,” Scott Leader said after the attack, according to authorities.

In a mostly empty Boston courtroom, Suffolk Superior Court Justice Peter B. Krupp denounced the attack as “cowardly and despicable.”

Suffolk County prosecutor Nicole Rimar said the incident “was an unprovoked attack on a sleeping man based completely off racial hostility.”
More Information

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/05/16/brothers-plead-guilty-beating-homeless-immigrant/jpbvoo23yr2sntgKwtQ6KI/story.htm

More attacks and harassment .....
https://americasvoice.org/trumphatemap/

Yeah well that is not something that is condoned or taught by Trump his followers, or even the Rep party. These are 2 idiots that were obviously already quite stupid to even consider peeing on anyone. That is just not normal behavior in the first point.

Secondly, no one has ever been instructed to hurt, hate or pee on anyone. Unlike the entire punch a Nazi campaign and the like. Such actions like these are isolated incidents of which the perpetrators themselves are solely responsible for their actions.

Thirdly, Trump was right. Illegals need to be deported. Our boarders need to be strong, build the wall, and hopefully he can get the Dems to agree on DACA, but he never ran on a platform that condones this action.

However Democrats throughout society, form Hollywood to politics absolutely praise individuals that show disrespect to Trump, his supporters and cabinet. It is almost a sport to 'punch a Nazi' or harass someone that works for the administration.

Hank77 · Jul 11, 2018

LostMarbels said:
Yeah well that is not something that is condoned or taught by Trump his followers, or even the Rep party. These are 2 idiots that were obviously already quite stupid to even consider peeing on anyone. That is just not normal behavior in the first point.

Secondly, no one has ever been instructed to hurt, hate or pee on anyone. Unlike the entire punch a Nazi campaign and the like. Such actions like these are isolated incidents of which the perpetrators themselves are solely responsible for their actions.

Thirdly, Trump was right. Illegals need to be deported. Our boarders need to be strong, build the wall, and hopefully he can get the Dems to agree on DACA, but he never ran on a platform that condones this action.

However Democrats throughout society, form Hollywood to politics absolutely praise individuals that show disrespect to Trump, his supporters and cabinet. It is almost a sport to 'punch a Nazi' or harass someone that works for the administration.

All I'm saying is that from what I have seen and read it is on both sides and I don't have a side in this. I'm not a Dem. or a Rep.. I didn't vote for Trump or Clinton. I wrote in Rand Paul. I'm an independent voter.

Liza B. · Jul 12, 2018

LostMarbels said:
Kinda the point is the Dems are addressing non issues that only cause separation and further problems. This one gay dude, a professional drag queen even brings up how a very small percentage of the gay community even cares about what bathroom they can use, as an example. What he cares about is being overrun by illegals, the destruction of american society by the illegals culture, the rising crime rate and lowering of property values in his community due to the illegals actions.

LostMarbels said:
I do believe that is part of it yes. However the common theme I am getting from these personal testimonies is that the Democratic party is on it's own tangent that has nothing at all to do with the members they state to be supporting. In fact, most of these Dems, and others that I have spoken with are appalled by the constant bickering, and false narratives. They themselves are attacked and ridiculed even by their own party. That has lead many to understand that there is a problem in the ideology because they themselves are being attacked as being something they know as fact, they are not. That has lead to the realization that others are/may be falsely accused as well; seeing that they themselves have experienced it first hand.

It is one thing to have a mob mentality and be part of a group that resist another. It is quite another when you find yourself maligned by previous friends, family members, co workers, and even the very system you supported just because of an opinion. When you become the 'nazi' everyone spits on and beats in the streets; things become crystal real quick. Especially since you know you do not agree with, nor practice the issues/policies you are now accused of and attacked for.

In short, the movement eats itself. And so now they are learning..and walking away, at least many. Thank God.

Liza B. · Jul 12, 2018

Hank77 said:
I agree but I would point out the Republicans are also guilty of turning away from friends and family because they don't agree on all policies.
We've even seen it right here on this forum where people have insinuated that other Christians were not Christians because they didn't agree or support the same things that they do or were not Trump supporters.

Democrats have talking points they turn out at the holidays. "How to talk to your family about Obamacare" and etc. Republicans don't generally do this.

Liza B. · Jul 12, 2018

Jack Slatts said:
That is interesting. From my point of view, atheism is the more accountable philosophy.

If I wrong someone, I have to make things right with the person I wronged. If a Christian wrongs someone, they can be forgiven by uttering a few words, alone, in the privacy of their home. I think my road is the better at holding a person accountable for their actions.

Meh. You might "feel" like you have to do something, but do you? Why? Says who? You?

I don't want to head down this trail too much because it will derail the thread but the "I have to" statement is not correct. You don't have a moral imperative to do anything. I believe you were born with a moral compass but you cannot support that from your worldview.

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