Australian parents who don't vaccinate will be fined as a 'constant reminder' they should

ThatRobGuy said:

To clarify, it wasn't removed because the previous vaccines were found to be unsafe, it was removed specifically to try to pander to anti-vaxxers to bring them back on board...and big surprise, they just found some other preservative to demonize.

The compound being discussed is thimerosal, which contains a form of mercury known as ethylmercury, as opposed to methylmercury, which is the toxic form that they recommend people staying away from and the type found in certain forms of farmed fish and sushi. The two are very different and their impacts on the human body are very different. Not all mercury is created equal, so to speak. Unless a person has a specific allergy to thimerosal, it posed no risk to humans.

It has never been used in the MMR vaccine, chickenpox vaccines, or polio vaccines. (which are the ones that the anti-vaxxers seem to want to keep their kids away from.

Furthermore, that particular preservative hasn't been used in any childhood vaccines since 2001.

So basically, anyone who has a child that's still a minor (under 18), had no excuse for not vaccinating as the chemical that they were afraid of hasn't been in a childhood vaccine in the US in the last 17 years.

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Well you seem to have more of an agenda here than me, and bother to look into it. I would rather not have any mercury compounds in the body that I was given. It is a bit late now for me and my vaccinated children. It would be better if we didn't have any of these compounds but we are being poisoned by pollution, plastics, radio waves, parabens, antibiotics, pesticides, fertilisers, preservatives etc anyway. (Who knows how much vitality we would have without all that.) So let us not worry over the impact of something as trivial as the rare event of these vaccines... (Which will be annual soon for most of us... flu shots are becoming more common.)

Maybe mandatory too. I can see a time when governments can just inject us with whatever, for the common good. In 50 years why not add a mood enhancer to eradicate violent crime, throw in contraception too, population size needs controlled afterall... One might think it would never happen but people do not speak out much and when they do there is a disparaging response, some get villified. Look at how you feel about anti-vaxers.

You keep quoting me and imply that I am an anti-vaxer. I am becoming anti-chemicals that we are forced to endure and against the world governments increasing their power while the masses just worry about trivialities such as their next holiday. I do not like the way that (globally) governments are encouraging hatred against certain groups. It bothers me, and it has since I noticed an abrupt change seven years ago. It possibly goes right back to 2001, only the tension created by the terrorist attrocity may have been more justified. However, I see media manipulation and human rights abuses even in my own country. So the climate doesn't seem right to sanction mandatory vaccination with the harsh governments reigning. Think back 20 years ago, look to today. We are a more hatefilled people and even Christians on here are infected and hard hearted.

But I have really said all that I wish to on the topic. You posted two articles, one about a government making it compulsory, the other reducing the amount of vaccines being compulsory. I was more interested in the government interference.

I'm ok with parents not vaccinating children - as long as said children are prevented from attending public schools, or hospitals or anywhere people with compromised immune systems might be. Oh & should their child contract a disease they weren't vaccinated for, well the parent should be on the hook for murder/attempted murder- depending on what happens.

But no fines, that's draconian!

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Sam91 said:

I am becoming anti-chemicals.

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Water is a chemical

Air is a chemical

Everything you eat and drink is a chemical compound of some sort

JCFantasy23 said:

So I'm assuming in Australia that vaccines are mandatory and there is not a choice, hence the fines for non-compliance?

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The term "fine" is misleading. Nobody is fined. The government withholds a portion of family benefit paid to people whose children aren't vaccinated to cover their future health costs.

Vaccination isn't mandatory here, but the government won't keep supporting people who refuse to do it.

Trogdor the Burninator said:

Water is a chemical

Air is a chemical

Everything you eat and drink is a chemical compound of some sort

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Air is a gaseous mixture (perhaps gaseous mixture has scientific term) of nitrogen, oxygen, water, CO2 and many other elements and compounds.

You obviously knew that I meant chemicals that we aren't meant to ingest, inhale, absorb, inject. This is OT

Kevin Snow said:

I will certainly research each vaccine and their purpose and the associated risks of refusing them.

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Exhibit A

Mayzoo said:

Just curious, but are they making allowances for children who medically cannot tolerate vaccines, ie cancer, immune compromised, etc?

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Yes. Medical reasons for not vaccinating are taken into account.

JCFantasy23 said:

So I'm assuming in Australia that vaccines are mandatory and there is not a choice, hence the fines for non-compliance?

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Not exactly. More accurately, the government applies a tax benefit to people who fully immunise their children, which is withheld from people who don't fully immunise (without medical reason). But it is still the parents' choice.

My first degree was in science; majored in immunology. I've measured vaccine responses myself, know the science of how it works intimately. I know it's not fun, but I had no hesitation whatsoever in fully vaccinating my child.

Yes, you could argue that we were never "meant" to be injected with vaccine ingredients. But you'd have to include in the same argument that we were "meant" to have a very much higher mortality and morbidity rate than we actually do from communicable diseases. Because that's what happens when people don't vaccinate.

Now, you can quibble at the edges - I don't bother with the flu vaccine, not being in a high risk group - and I know that there are questions sometimes around how young to start and at what point the immune system is mature enough to give the best response. But those are minor details, not the big picture.

Big picture: when enough people don't vaccinate, people die. That's the grim reality.

ThatRobGuy said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life...fines-parents-not-vaccinating-kids/769183002/


Glad they're taking steps to keep their residents safe from parents who get their information from a 5 minute google search.

Hopefully more nations will follow suit.

Unfortunately, for every Australia, there's an Italy (who's dealing with the fallout of having an "anti-establishment government" who seeks to erode the public's confidence in science...hmmm, that sounds familiar)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ools-five-star-lega-nord-grillo-a8438941.html

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It’s such a shame herd immunity is a necessary thing for some people, otherwise I absolutely would just commit these people to the will of Darwin.

Kevin Snow said:

I will NOT vaccinate my children. There is no reason we should be forced to put unknown substances in our children from unknown people. I have NO reason to trust them. It is NOT about science and the merits of science. It's about whether or not people do what they say. You have no idea what is actually in those vaccines. This is actually a wide door for the enemy to destroy our health from the inside out.

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What happened to trusting experts, Kevin?

We couldn’t criticise Trump because we weren’t foreign policy experts, but you get the heebie-jeebies about something else you obviously have no clue about and vaccines are now going to make people’s health worse?

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Hank77 said:

So you, a pro-life supporter, are comfortable knowing that if your child contracts German measles, rubella, and passes it on to a pregnant mom, without her knowing it, her child could be born blind, deaf, etc.?
https://www.babycenter.com/0_rubella-german-measles-during-pregnancy_9527.bc

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And no public welfare support for it once it’s out! Blind babies need to just pull themselves up by their bootstraps and should have thought hard before making poor life choices.

mala said:

so basically you demand scientific confirmation but at the same time you are stating that you don't trust the available scientific confirmation...

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This seems to be a bit of a pattern. Demands expert opinion, then when it’s offered, disregard the opinion.

Kevin Snow said:

Yes, I don't eat any processed foods but do all my own cooking. I brush my teeth with soft clay and oil of cinnamon.

What I am painting a picture of is a different world than the one we live in. I understand the infeasibility of my demands. But it doesn't mean that they are not without merit.

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He said, on the internet

ThatRobGuy said:

Not providing proper medical care is a form of abuse.

This isn't the government forcing some "willy nilly" policy on parents.

Vaccines effectively protect people against a wide variety of very serious diseases...and not just the person receiving the vaccine, but others as well as those who have a legitimate medical reason for not getting it rely on what's known as "herd immunity" for their protection.

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Not just that, but we almost effectively eradicated some diseases.

But apparently that isn’t good enough for sooper speshul individuals who think they know better than an entire field of study.

Sam91 said:

Well you seem to have more of an agenda here than me, and bother to look into it. I would rather not have any mercury compounds in the body that I was given. It is a bit late now for me and my vaccinated children. It would be better if we didn't have any of these compounds but we are being poisoned by pollution, plastics, radio waves

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....radio waves.

Radio waves.

The literal weakest form of electromagnetic radiation there is, and that is “poisoning” us? By what means? This will be good.

, parabens, antibiotics, pesticides, fertilisers, preservatives etc anyway. (Who knows how much vitality we would have without all that.)

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Before all of that we tended to live to about the age of 40 if we were lucky. Hope that helps.

You keep quoting me and imply that I am an anti-vaxer. I am becoming anti-chemicals

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Everything is chemicals. This means absolutely nothing.

that we are forced to endure and against the world governments increasing their power while the masses just worry about trivialities such as their next holiday.

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But not you, eh? You’re smart, not like those masses.

Gadarene said:

....radio waves.

Radio waves.

The literal weakest form of electromagnetic radiation there is, and that is “poisoning” us? By what means? This will be good.



Before all of that we tended to live to about the age of 40 if we were lucky. Hope that helps.



Everything is chemicals. This means absolutely nothing.



But not you, eh? You’re smart, not like those masses.

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No, I am included in the masses. I am distracted by a lot and don't bother trying to change anything.

Mayzoo said:

Just curious, but are they making allowances for children who medically cannot tolerate vaccines, ie cancer, immune compromised, etc?

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Yes they are.

And it's precisely because of such children that it's important that everyone around them be vaccinated.

Radagast said:

Yes they are.

And it's precisely because of such children that it's important that everyone around them be vaccinated.

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Ok, thanks for the info. I am not in Australia, and my kiddo was vaccinated until she acquired an autoimmune issue and PID (unrelated to vaccines). Now, her immuno recommends she not be vaccinated for the time being.

Just trying to keep up with laws in other countries as they tend to set precedence to be considered.