Jimmy Carter: Jesus Would ‘Approve’ of Gay Marriage, Some Abortions

Ignatius the Kiwi · Jul 9, 2018

Isn't it weird when Jesus approves of all the things you approve of? Strange.

ubicaritas · Jul 9, 2018

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
Isn't it weird when Jesus approves of all the things you approve of? Strange.

That argument works both ways you know, especially when we consider the dominance of European heterosexual males in history and the resulting privileges that come with that dominance.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Jul 9, 2018

ubicaritas said:
That argument works both ways you know, especially when we consider the dominance of European heterosexual males in history and the resulting privileges that come with that dominance.

It can go both ways, yet I find still find it strange that no matter the generation Jesus is for all the new liberal causes. He's not only pro-Gay he also pro LGBT and I'm sure he will be invoked when they try to support Polygamy or whatever is the new sexual fetish in ten years. I suppose this still speaks to the power of Jesus' influence even amongst liberals, though I think they have to radically distort who Jesus was. Make him a man philosopher, instead of King over all the cosmos.

Also, what does the dominance of European Heterosexual males have to do with anything?

ubicaritas · Jul 9, 2018

Ignatius the Kiwi said:
It can go both ways, yet I find still find it strange that no matter the generation Jesus is for all the new liberal causes. He's not only pro-Gay he also pro LGBT and I'm sure he will be invoked when they try to support Polygamy or whatever is the new sexual fetish in ten years. I suppose this still speaks to the power of Jesus' influence even amongst liberals, though I think they have to radically distort who Jesus was. Make him a man philosopher, instead of King over all the cosmos.

Also, what does the dominance of European Heterosexual males have to do with anything?

Jesus kingdom is not of this world and his status as "king" is spiritual and not literal.

White heterosexual males have their own biases and have interpreted Jesus to be least offensive to their interests.

Ignatius the Kiwi · Jul 9, 2018

ubicaritas said:
Jesus kingdom is not of this world and his status as "king" is spiritual and not literal.

White heterosexual males have their own biases and have interpreted Jesus to be least offensive to their interests.

Christ's Kingship not being literal and relegated only to the Spiritual realm sounds to Gnostic for my taste. His Kingship is real in that we obey him here on Earth though he is not bodily present with us. If that is not real Kingship I don't know what is.

Now there are plenty of non-white non-heterosexual non-males who would agree with white heterosexual males with regards to sexuality. Which sexuality? Well any, given that there are divergent views between people of the same category and similar views by people of another category and vice versa. So what are you implying with your argument?

My only point is that whenever I see these stories of people saying Jesus would endorse gay marriage, Jesus would endorse Abortion, Jesus would endorse (insert opinion here) is that they aren't making a good argument. They are using Jesus as a means to legitimize their own viewpoints. Jesus for them was not a historical person, he is a fiction who can be reinterpreted a thousand times to suite our individual needs for our time.

ubicaritas · Jul 9, 2018

I'm certain Jesus would not treat gay people the way many Christians have. I believe Christians have often misread the Scriptures. So I don't think its totally off-base in the sentiments.

I don't think Carter is really trying to convince people that are adamantly opposed to gay marriage or pro-choice ethics; he's speaking to people that are somewhat open-minded and want to understand his change of religious denomination. There are still many Americans in the US that don't have particularly strong feelings about the issue.

Calminian · Jul 10, 2018

Bottom line, Jimmy needs the Lord, the real Lord who died for him. I don't think he's ever known him.

Inkfingers · Jul 10, 2018

Rubiks said:
The sin of Sodom and Gomorra had more to do with inhospitality (they were gang raping foreigners) than homosexuality.

Not so.

The 'people' of Sodom declared Lot a foreigner and yet refused to rape his daughters when given the chance.

It wasn't about a lack of hospitality.

discipler7 · Jul 10, 2018

Quoting from the Breitbart link ...

Regarding whether he thinks Jesus would approve of gay marriage, Carter replied “I don’t have any verse in Scripture,” but added, “I believe that Jesus would approve of gay marriage.”

This means Jimmy Carter does not know who Jesus Christ truly is.

At JOHN.8:58, Jesus Christ declared that He was the "I AM WHO I AM" of EXODUS.3:14 who had spoken to Moses and gave him His Law, eg LEVITICUS.18:22 = 22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.

JOHN.1:1 & 14 = 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. & 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

1TIMOTHY.3:16 =
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.

grasping the after wind · Jul 10, 2018

ubicaritas said:
I'm certain Jesus would not treat gay people the way many Christians have. I believe Christians have often misread the Scriptures. So I don't think its totally off-base in the sentiments.

I don't think Carter is really trying to convince people that are adamantly opposed to gay marriage or pro-choice ethics; he's speaking to people that are somewhat open-minded and want to understand his change of religious denomination. There are still many Americans in the US that don't have particularly strong feelings about the issue.

I'm certain Jesus would not treat people the way most of us do and among those things he would not do is to blame white male heterosexuals for everything wrong with the world or spout identity politics nonsense. I doubt very much the phrase pro- choice ethics( whatever that is supposed to mean) would have left his lips. As He proclaimed Himself the Truth, as well as the Way and the Light, I think it likely he would simply say pro abortion and anti abortion rather than using a deceptive euphemism. So, no, he would not treat gay people any less kindly than heterosexuals, nor straight people less kindly than gay people, nor non Europeans less kindly than Europeans, nor Europeans less kindly than non Europeans, nor the poor less kindly than the rich nor the rich less kindly than the poor. He would not make those distinctions in considering how to treat each of us anymore than I categorize my children as anything but my children when I consider how to treat them. If I mistreat anyone in any way , no matter what stereotype I may want to apply in order to justify mistreating them , I am not doing what Jesus would have me do.

discipler7 · Jul 10, 2018

grasping the after wind said:
So, no, he would not treat gay people any less kindly than heterosexuals, nor straight people less kindly than gay people, nor non Europeans less kindly than Europeans, ...

Not really true.

MATTHEW.10: = 5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons.
.

MATTHEW.15:21-26 = 21 Then Jesus went out from there and departed to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 And behold, a woman of Canaan came from that region and cried out to Him, saying, “Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David! My daughter is severely demon-possessed.”

23 But He answered her not a word.

And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, “Send her away, for she cries out after us.”

24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

25 Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”

26 But He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.”

Yekcidmij · Jul 10, 2018

Nicolaus Mourer said:
I'm sure Lot thought the Sodomites were pretty inhospitable when they surrounded his house xD

...and I'm sure the thoughts in his mind were along the lines of: "Golly gee, everyone is so inhospitable here." If I were in his shoes that's what I would think..."look at just how inhospitable this gang of rapers is." If they were only more hospitable...

I dunno, looks like different categories to me. Being inhospitable is in one category. Gang rape of foreigners is in another.

Danielwright2311 · Jul 10, 2018

Original Happy Camper said:
Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter said Sunday that Jesus would approve of gay marriage and certain abortions in an interview with HuffPost Live.
Speaking of his faith, Mr. Carter said in his career as a politician he never ran across “any really serious conflicts between my political obligations and my religious faith.”

Asked about gay marriage, he replied that it is “no problem with me. I think everybody should have a right to get married regardless of their sex.

........

“I have a hard time believing that Jesus would approve abortions unless it was because of rape or incest or if the mother’s life was in danger. So I’ve had that struggle,” he said.

The word of GOD says
Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

https://www.breitbart.com/big-gover...would-approve-of-gay-marriage-some-abortions/

Matthew 10:15, "Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city."
Matthew 19:4-6, "And He answered and said, 'Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 “So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.'”
Matt. 19:9, “And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
Mark 10:11-12, "And He said to them, 'Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her; 12 and if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery.'”
John 5:46-47 “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote of Me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

Ken Rank · Jul 10, 2018

Original Happy Camper said:
Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter said Sunday that Jesus would approve of gay marriage and certain abortions in an interview with HuffPost Live.
Speaking of his faith, Mr. Carter said in his career as a politician he never ran across “any really serious conflicts between my political obligations and my religious faith.”

Asked about gay marriage, he replied that it is “no problem with me. I think everybody should have a right to get married regardless of their sex.

........

“I have a hard time believing that Jesus would approve abortions unless it was because of rape or incest or if the mother’s life was in danger. So I’ve had that struggle,” he said.

The word of GOD says
Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

https://www.breitbart.com/big-gover...would-approve-of-gay-marriage-some-abortions/

People change, cultures change, but God does not change. So, if a man laying with a man as if a woman was considered an abomination to a God who does not change, then it is still an abomination even if our liberalism and political correctness have made these things acceptable within our society. In regard to abortion... by the time a woman even learns she is pregnant, the DNA of that UNIQUE human is written, and there is most likely brain activity and a heart beat. At that point, it isn't a health choice but rather a choice between God given life... or a decision to end life, or to be blunt, murder.

These two issues ALONE draw a line between man pleasing his flesh and man living according to righteousness as defined by God. He ALONE is the giver and taker of life and when we make His decisions for Him... we are not living by faith but rather by sight. And I might add... are usurping His authority and making ourselves gods.

Traveling teacher · Jul 10, 2018

I pray for repentence for anyone who calls God a liar

which is exactly what they are doing
God says homosexuality is an abomination...

and men say Jesus approves of homosexuality.....

matthew 12:36
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Traveling teacher · Jul 10, 2018

Traveling teacher said:
I pray for repentence for anyone who calls God a liar

which is exactly what they are doing
God says homosexuality is an abomination...

and men say Jesus approves of homosexuality.....

matthew 12:36
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Rion · Jul 10, 2018

Yekcidmij said:
How does "gang rape of foreigners" equate to "inhospitable?" Maybe I'm just playing semantics, but inhospitable seems to be something more like, not welcoming my neighbors to my house when they bring lots of gifts or not welcoming new neighbors to the neighborhood... "Gang rape of foreigners" seems beyond being inhospitable and goes into open hostility, violence, etc...

It's something the far left theologians have pushed about Sodom to try and erase the whole "homosexuality is a sin in Scripture" wall they run into. A lot of people repeat it without realizing it's malarky.

Blade · Jul 10, 2018

The word that the Father/GOD spoke talks clear about taking ANY life. So what you do or I do. WE will answer to A GOD for. Some of us are covered by the BLOOD OF JESUS AMEN PRAISE GOD GLORY TO JESUS.

Would Jesus approve gay marriage? "I believe He would" Carter said. The word makes it very clear on this matter also. Still love the man.. as WRONG as I believe both of these things are.. so? Are we not all wrong on some part of the word? We really need to talk pray with each other to get it right..yet..He loves Christ and if by what he said leads others away or to some sin.. he will answer for it .. as we all will if we share something that is not written.

Very hard to take a stand being a man or was a man or power

grasping the after wind · Jul 10, 2018

discipler7 said:
Not really true.

MATTHEW.10: = 5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons.
.

MATTHEW.15:21-26 = 21 Then Jesus went out from there and departed to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 And behold, a woman of Canaan came from that region and cried out to Him, saying, “Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David! My daughter is severely demon-possessed.”

23 But He answered her not a word.

And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, “Send her away, for she cries out after us.”

24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

25 Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”

26 But He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.”

First quote in no way contradicts what I said. Giving the apostles a mission among their fellow Jews does not mean Jesus is treating non Jews unkindly. The second quote is out of context and the subsequent passages are necessary in understanding what is being revealed.

Matt15:27-28
27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.

discipler7 · Jul 10, 2018

Rubiks said:
The sin of Sodom and Gomorra had more to do with inhospitality (they were gang raping foreigners) than homosexuality.

If you are referring to the Sodom of EZEKIEL.16:46 as the basis for your Sodom and Gomorrah inhospitality hypothesis, you are in error.

The Sodom and Samaria of EZEKIEL.16:46 actually referred to the corrupt Southern kingdom of Judah and the Northern kingdom of Israel, and not to the Sodom and Gomorrah of GENESIS.18:10 because ISAIAH.1:10 had also referred to Samaria as the corrupt Northern kingdom of Israel.

Sodom and Gomorrah were completely destroyed by God at GENESIS.18:10 = circa 2,000 BC. They no longer exist during the time of EZEKIEL and ISAIAH = circa 700 BC. So, it is very unlikely that EZEKIEL was referring to the Sodom of Sodom and Gomorrah.

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