If God Exists, He is Necessarily Triune

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Jul 8, 2018

SolomonVII said:
Yea, that is a real funny joke all right. Which person with a Christ like mind doesn’t snigger and sees homo eroticism and incestuous implications in talk about the love of the Trinity?
And I am not interested in your own personal interpretation of Scriptures. For two thousands years Christians have understood Trinity from Scripture. It is hubris to dismiss that as if your own abilities are so much more spiritual than everyone who has come before.
You asked for scripture that my position is based in,and I gave it to you. It is the same Scripture that all Trinitarians use to come to their own understandings about God.
My post however was not about IF the Trinity is or isn’t Scriptural. My post was a commentary on the OP of how Trinity is a higher conception of God,that which none greater may be conceived in imagination or reality. That of course is a paraphrase.
You are quite correct in your understanding that I have no interest in your hubris in thinking that your own interpretation of Scripture is superior. It was you that replied to my post, not me to yours. if you want to discuss the arguments of my post, great. It is about why Trinity is a superior conception of God.
But, no, I am not interested in discussing whether your personal interpretation of Scripture trumps two thousand years old scriptural understanding of Holy Trinity.
You make sex jokes about God. That is all I really need to know about you own personal views.

I made jokes about the 3 gods you worship that are in a 3 person relationship not about the one true God I serve. But ok mr sensitive if that one joke supposdily made you not discuss the word with me (although Ik you’re lying because you made other reasons before that such as claiming I only addressed the links) (and you didn’t bother reading what I even said). all I can say is make sure you confess that lie before God The father rather then your 3 gods that are too busy “relating to each other” to forgive you of this sin. Also there’s no way people of the OT understood the trinity.. “I am God and there is no God beside me” “there is one Lord” “I am the only savior” etc. if you were to read the OT without any trinitarian perspective or any perspective at all you would conclude God is one person. Cause if Jesus is a savior also... contradicts that claim by God the father that he’s the only savior!

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Jul 8, 2018

Oseas said:
You are saying that, maybe because know not God as He is.

The Word (the Word is God) says different of you.

Yes, in truth there is only One God, true God, God the Creator. But He is a Triune God. God said (*the Word is God) : Let us make man in OUR image after OUR likeness (Gen.1:v.26). JESUS said: I and my Father are One (John 10:v.30). Two distincts persons, but One. But there are three that bear record in heaven: (1) the Father, (2) the Word (the Word made flesh), and (3) the Holy Spirit: and these three are One. Triune.

Either way, God has 7 spirits (Rev. 4:v.5). Do you know what are the 7 spirits of God? I believe they are mentioned in Scriptures one by one.

Rev. 5:v.6 : 6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

Genesis 1:26 addressed:

1. Whenever you don't have a cross reference for something you're trying to push it's wrong. You don't have a cross reference for OUR image...everywhere else in the OT you see this

Psalms 18:16 He sent from above, he took me, he drew me out of many waters.

Psalms 19:5 He delivereth me from my enemies

Ezekiel 11:19 And I (singular) will give them one heart, and I (singular) will put a new spirit within you; and I(singular) will take the stony heart out of their flesh and will give them an heart of flesh.

Ezekiel 12:15 and they shall know that I (singular) am the Lord

Psalms 18:31 For Who(singular) is God save the Lord? or who is a rock save our God

Acts 4:11 This is the stone which was set (off topic but wanted to throw in there...JESUS and God are both proclaimed as being the foundation...the rock...the stone

Isaiah 44:6-8 King James Version (KJV)
6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am (singular) the first, and I am (singular) the last; and beside me (not we....me) there is no God.

Cross reference:

Revelation 22:13 13I (singular) am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

SO JESUS must be God the Father....because God the father declares he's the first and the last and besides him there isn't another God person...and common sense suggest only one being can be first and last anyway.

8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me (me not we)? yea, there is no God; I(singular) know not any.

But God the father takes this even further....

Isaiah 43:11 11I, even I (singular), am the LORD; and beside me (singular me...not we) there is no savior.

God the father is proclaiming there is no other savior but him...so JESUS must have been this God in flesh but i'll get to that more later.

More Answers to Genesis 1:1

"The use of the plural, 'let us make man' is the Hebrew idiomatic way of expressing deliberation, as in Genesis 11:7, or it is the plural of majesty, royal commands being conveyed in the first person plural, as in Ezra 4:18

Also to prove this even more...you never see "we" ever again in Genesis 1. YOu see this in Gene 1:27 the next verse after... "And God made man in His (singular)own image, in the image of God created He ( he not them or we) them.

Were God 3 persons we would expect the text to say: "and god made man in THEIR own image(s), in the image(s) God created THEY them".

Further even if Gene 1:26 was suggesting plurality the most we could learn from it would be that God is more than One, nowhere does it explicitly say that God is 3 persons (while being One God)

Which proves my point made to the other person...There is no indication that people of the OT would have understood the trinity based off OT scripture they had and off what prophets like Isiah said (there is no God beside me). As a result the trinity must be false.

I will address the rest in another reply because this is long.

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Jul 8, 2018

Oseas said:
You are saying that, maybe because know not God as He is.

The Word (the Word is God) says different of you.

Yes, in truth there is only One God, true God, God the Creator. But He is a Triune God. God said (*the Word is God) : Let us make man in OUR image after OUR likeness (Gen.1:v.26). JESUS said: I and my Father are One (John 10:v.30). Two distincts persons, but One. But there are three that bear record in heaven: (1) the Father, (2) the Word (the Word made flesh), and (3) the Holy Spirit: and these three are One. Triune.

Either way, God has 7 spirits (Rev. 4:v.5). Do you know what are the 7 spirits of God? I believe they are mentioned in Scriptures one by one.

Rev. 5:v.6 : 6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

So you're arguing that God is a "we" not a who? Because if you say there is one God....but there are 3 DISTINCT persons inside him....then that's the only argument you can make.

But if so then you're wrong...becuase the bible references God as "I" "me" "who" 99% of the time.

And yes JEsus says I and my Father are one....but he also says if you've seen me you've seen the Father...IN other words he is the Father in flesh....

If I say have you seen Bobby? i'm asking if you've seen Bobby...not some representative of him....So when JESUS says you've seen me you've seen the Father....yeah.... Also john 5:43 or so JESUS says I come in my Fathers name...so JESUS is the name of the Father.

but also look at this.

Hebrews 1:3 states that the son is the brightness (apaugasma= "Reflected Brightness") of His glory (The Father's glory) and the expressed image (express image in the Greek= charakter which means "reproduction"/imprinted Copy") of His person (hypostasis="substance of being" of the Father's person)

The expressed image of his person....God the Father simply expressed himself in the form of a man. HE gave us an image...so we could see him.

I'm not sure what revelations 5:6 has to do with The trinity so i'll leave that alone. Unless you I guess explain it's relevance I guess.

SolomonVII · Jul 8, 2018

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:
!

Whatever.
I heard you the first time and it is as repugnant now as it was then.
I have no interest in carrying on a conversation with the self righteous little jolly jokester.
goodbye

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Jul 8, 2018

SolomonVII said:
Whatever.
I heard you the first time and it is as repugnant now as it was then.
I have no interest in carrying on a conversation with the self righteous little jolly jokester.
goodbye

Ever heard the parable about if you got a beam in your eye you can't help the guy that has molt?

If you lie and serve the big 3 as your gods... Poseidon, Zeus, and Hades you can't help anyone. help yourself first that's all I have to say.

and lol you really didn't like that joke did you? like did it really hurt you that much? Trust me bud...you'll deal with worse nowadays...society doesn't like Christianity...even the false Christians have a hard time.

But yep bye

Oseas · Jul 9, 2018

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:
Also to prove this even more...you never see "we" ever again in Genesis 1. YOu see this in Gene 1:27 the next verse after... "And God made man in His (singular)own image, in the image of God created He ( he not them or we) them.

Were God 3 persons we would expect the text to say: "and god made man in THEIR own image(s), in the image(s) God created THEY them".

Further even if Gene 1:26 was suggesting plurality the most we could learn from it would be that God is more than One, nowhere does it explicitly say that God is 3 persons (while being One God)

Which proves my point made to the other person...There is no indication that people of the OT would have understood the trinity based off OT scripture they had and off what prophets like Isiah said (there is no God beside me). As a result the trinity must be false.

Oh please. You are walking in great darkness. In truth, the light shines in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. Genesis was revealed by God to the person of Moses about 2,500 years after Adam. Moses wrote what God dictated for him to write, and God makes it clear to Moses and unto us also that He was not alone in the works of Creation, had more people with Him, evidently, in order to realize and execute His plan of Creation described in Genesis 1, mainly 1:v.26.

And now, oh! now you say that you expect the Most High God had told unto Moses to write as you expect it to be, i.e. as you are saying above, uh? Remember: God said: My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Well, Who was with God in this revelation of Gen.1:v.26? Hebrews 1:1-2 - 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days (from the fourth to sixth days) spoken unto us by His Son (JESUS/YESHUA), whom He (the Most High) hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He (the Most High God) made the worlds;

So JESUS was with the Word (the Word is God) in the creation of man.

To create man in His image and His likeness, the invisible Most High God needed to first show His image. But how could God show His image? He was and is invisible? God is Spirit. What kind of image would man see of the invisible God? No image, of course.

In His wisdom, the Most High God knew that to create man in His image and on His likeness it would first need to materialize Himself and be visible. (John 1:v.18) No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him. (Hebrews 1:3-4) 3 Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high: 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as He hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

John 1:v.1&3 reveals this for us. 1 In the beginning (in JESUS) was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by Him (by JESUS) ; and without Him (without JESUS) was not any thing made that was made.
So JESUS was with the Word (the Word is God) in the creation of man. In Him was life; and the life was the light of men. He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not.

If you are a Christian and believe in JESUS, then you may know that God is Spirit. What is the image of the invisible Spirit of God? the own JESUS explained this, saying: he that hath seen me hath seen the Father. (John 14:9)

Oseas · Jul 9, 2018

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:
So you're arguing that God is a "we" not a who? Because if you say there is one God....but there are 3 DISTINCT persons inside him....then that's the only argument you can make.

The Word of God says: There are three (3) that bear record in heaven: (1) the Father, (2) the Word (the Word made flesh), and (3) the Holy Spirit: and these three are One. (1John 5:v.7)

But if so then you're wrong...becuase the bible references God as "I" "me" "who" 99% of the time.

No, I am not wrong. You are.

I am working with the Word of God. The Word of Truth. You try to deny Scriptures I have quoted above by your own and mere opinions. For what man knows the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knows no man, but the Spirit of God.

He that is of the earth is earthly and speaks of the earth. He that is of above is above all. John 3:31

Oseas · Jul 9, 2018

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:
So you're arguing that God is a "we" not a who? Because if you say there is one God....but there are 3 DISTINCT persons inside him....then that's the only argument you can make.

But if so then you're wrong...becuase the bible references God as "I" "me" "who" 99% of the time.

And yes JEsus says I and my Father are one....but he also says if you've seen me you've seen the Father...IN other words he is the Father in flesh....

If I say have you seen Bobby? i'm asking if you've seen Bobby...not some representative of him....So when JESUS says you've seen me you've seen the Father....yeah.... Also john 5:43 or so JESUS says I come in my Fathers name...so JESUS is the name of the Father.

but also look at this.

Hebrews 1:3 states that the son is the brightness (apaugasma= "Reflected Brightness") of His glory (The Father's glory) and the expressed image (express image in the Greek= charakter which means "reproduction"/imprinted Copy") of His person (hypostasis="substance of being" of the Father's person)

The expressed image of his person....God the Father simply expressed himself in the form of a man. HE gave us an image...so we could see him.

I'm not sure what revelations 5:6 has to do with The trinity so i'll leave that alone. Unless you I guess explain it's relevance I guess.

Gen. 1:26 - Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

To interpret this great mystery, the gifts given through the Spirit, that are the gift of wisdom and gift of science are them which can help us to enter in the field of revelation for to understand the God's plan in the creation of man. It is good to say that this is so far of the field of speculations that tend to invent false theories more than revelations. Very dangerous.

Let us analize this biblical verse:
1- Could our God Father say: I will make a man in my image, after my likeness? No, not. Why not? Let us see: God is an invísible being. What is His image? What is His likeness? How would be the image of a man in this case? Again, Let us see: God is the Word, the Word is God. By the context of creation, What would be the image of the Word? What would be His likeness in this primary context of creation? It would be, let us say, impossible to make a man of the Invísible God only.
Notice that the plan of GOD was to create man in the sixth day of Creation, by the way, on the eve of his day of rest, the seventh Day, certainly He would had a hard work to make man in His image and in His likeness, so it would be the last work.

What would need GOD to do in that first moment, for to make a man in the sixth Day? He would need to make first a likeness of Himself, a likeness of the Invisible God. Here is the GREAT MYSTERY for us to interpret it together. Without His likeness was impossible to create man. Who would be His likeness? JESUS of course. Only JESUS. Here is the MYSTERY. GOD needed, in first place, to make TWO great works: to make be born the person of JESUS and also to make be born the person of the Comfort, the Spirit of Truth, each One in a pre-dertermined Day of the week. First JESUS and after, the person of the Comfort, the Spirit of Truth. And when or in which Days of the week these works would hapen? In accord GOD's plan, JESUS would be born in the fourth Day of Creation (Col.1:15-20) 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.. After JESUS would be born, then would be born the person of the Spirit of Truth in the sixth Day of the week, birthed in the image of God, after His likeness (Rev. 12:vs.1 - 2 and 5 and so on).

For better understanding, it is important to know that JESUS was born around 2,000 years ago, ie. 4,000 years after of beginning of creation.

It is important to note that care must be taken not to replace the gifts of wisdom and science with speculations and presumptions in the writings of the Holy Scriptures.

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Jul 10, 2018

Oseas said:
No, I am not wrong. You are.

I am working with the Word of God. The Word of Truth. You try to deny Scriptures I have quoted above by your own and mere opinions. For what man knows the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knows no man, but the Spirit of God.

He that is of the earth is earthly and speaks of the earth. He that is of above is above all. John 3:31

i've shown you numerous scriptures in which God is referenced in the singular tense in just the OT!!....you only gave me one scripture from the OT where "we" is found....

If 99% of the time you see "I", "we" "who" or other singular words to describe God...and only one time you see "we" common sense would suggest you go with the 99%. And I even showed you why the "We" is even there anyway....

I mean you say i'm in darkness....and you use the Word....but if you can't find a cross reference in the OT to support that scripture referencing the trinity....and I referenced 10+ cross references in the OT to support singular terminology to describe God.....you're in darkness not me.

If you can't cross reference an supposed idea from one scripture...it's wrong.

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Jul 10, 2018

Oseas said:
Gen. 1:26 - Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

To interpret this great mystery, the gifts given through the Spirit, that are the gift of wisdom and gift of science are them which can help us to enter in the field of revelation for to understand the God's plan in the creation of man. It is good to say that this is so far of the field of speculations that tend to invent false theories more than revelations. Very dangerous.

Let us analize this biblical verse:
1- Could our God Father say: I will make a man in my image, after my likeness? No, not. Why not? Let us see: God is an invísible being. What is His image? What is His likeness? How would be the image of a man in this case? Again, Let us see: God is the Word, the Word is God. By the context of creation, What would be the image of the Word? What would be His likeness in this primary context of creation? It would be, let us say, impossible to make a man of the Invísible God only.
Notice that the plan of GOD was to create man in the sixth day of Creation, by the way, on the eve of his day of rest, the seventh Day, certainly He would had a hard work to make man in His image and in His likeness, so it would be the last work.

What would need GOD to do in that first moment, for to make a man in the sixth Day? He would need to make first a likeness of Himself, a likeness of the Invisible God. Here is the GREAT MYSTERY for us to interpret it together. Without His likeness was impossible to create man. Who would be His likeness? JESUS of course. Only JESUS. Here is the MYSTERY. GOD needed, in first place, to make TWO great works: to make be born the person of JESUS and also to make be born the person of the Comfort, the Spirit of Truth, each One in a pre-dertermined Day of the week. First JESUS and after, the person of the Comfort, the Spirit of Truth. And when or in which Days of the week these works would hapen? In accord GOD's plan, JESUS would be born in the fourth Day of Creation (Col.1:15-20) 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.. After JESUS would be born, then would be born the person of the Spirit of Truth in the sixth Day of the week, birthed in the image of God, after His likeness (Rev. 12:vs.1 - 2 and 5 and so on).

For better understanding, it is important to know that JESUS was born around 2,000 years ago, ie. 4,000 years after of beginning of creation.

It is important to note that care must be taken not to replace the gifts of wisdom and science with speculations and presumptions in the writings of the Holy Scriptures.

the scripture literally says....JEsus was the expressed image of God the Father....

God the Father....expressing himself.....in an image (human) this isn't rocket science.

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Jul 10, 2018

Oseas said:
Oh please. You are walking in great darkness. In truth, the light shines in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. Genesis was revealed by God to the person of Moses about 2,500 years after Adam. Moses wrote what God dictated for him to write, and God makes it clear to Moses and unto us also that He was not alone in the works of Creation, had more people with Him, evidently, in order to realize and execute His plan of Creation described in Genesis 1, mainly 1:v.26.

And now, oh! now you say that you expect the Most High God had told unto Moses to write as you expect it to be, i.e. as you are saying above, uh? Remember: God said: My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Well, Who was with God in this revelation of Gen.1:v.26? Hebrews 1:1-2 - 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days (from the fourth to sixth days) spoken unto us by His Son (JESUS/YESHUA), whom He (the Most High) hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He (the Most High God) made the worlds;

So JESUS was with the Word (the Word is God) in the creation of man.

To create man in His image and His likeness, the invisible Most High God needed to first show His image. But how could God show His image? He was and is invisible? God is Spirit. What kind of image would man see of the invisible God? No image, of course.

In His wisdom, the Most High God knew that to create man in His image and on His likeness it would first need to materialize Himself and be visible. (John 1:v.18) No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him. (Hebrews 1:3-4) 3 Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high: 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as He hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

John 1:v.1&3 reveals this for us. 1 In the beginning (in JESUS) was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by Him (by JESUS) ; and without Him (without JESUS) was not any thing made that was made.
So JESUS was with the Word (the Word is God) in the creation of man. In Him was life; and the life was the light of men. He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not.

If you are a Christian and believe in JESUS, then you may know that God is Spirit. What is the image of the invisible Spirit of God? the own JESUS explained this, saying: he that hath seen me hath seen the Father. (John 14:9)

Well, Who was with God in this revelation of Gen.1:v.26? Hebrews 1:1-2 - 1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days (from the fourth to sixth days) spoken unto us by His Son (JESUS/YESHUA), whom He (the Most High) hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He (the Most High God) made the worlds;

My Reply: It's something else...when the word speaks to you....God is really speaking to you here....you just contradicted your 3 person argument with this bible verse.

1. "whom He (the Most High) hath appointed heir of all things"

Comment: So the son isn't co-eternal then...becuase God the Father appointed him heir over all things did he not?

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten (give birth/bring forth...the son had a beginning) thee? "I will be to him a Father, and he shall be a son.

Luke 1:35 King James Version (KJV)
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore (which means because...so he was only known as the Son of God...because he was born of Mary!! The beginning of the Son was here in the NT!) also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Comment: To be made both Lord and Christ is the same thing as saying the Son was "appointed heir of all things by God in Hebrew1:2. (Helps Word Studies defines Lord (greek Kurios) properly as a person exercigina aboslute ownership rights; lord likewise denots an owner (master) execising full rights) Therefore the title Son of God refers to the man who was made Lord and Christ (CHrist means anointed one)

Cross reference: Acts 2:36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made (if the son was co-eternal he wouldn't have to be made anything would he?) that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

SO as we see...the Son is just the anointed human body ...how come the son had to be appointed heir of all things if he was already heir of all things.
How come Hebrews 1:6 says he shall be a son....if he was always a son.

but here's one of the biggest scriptures against this "trinity"

Romans 5:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Comment:
1. THE SON ISN'T EVEN CALLED GOD HERE!!!! Only God the father is...

Further commentary: The words, “God the Father” (1 Corinthians 8:6), or similar designations such as “God our Father” (Philippians 1:2; Ephesians 1:2), and “God and Father” (Ephesians 4:6) appear more than 30 times in the New Testament, but we never find a single example of an alleged God the Son, or God the Holy Spirit ever occurring in inspired scripture, not even once.

It's always Son of God....but never ever....God the SOn

It's always Spirit of God....but never ever God the SPirit...GOd the holy Ghost

because those are just manifestations of God the Father

Son....of GOD

Spirit.....of GOd

They are of....God the Father

2. THE SON DIED!!! IF THE SON IS CO-ETERNAL WHY DID HE DIE???? THE SON IS THE BODY THAT DIED ON THE CROSS! GOD CAN'T DIE!! man I just love the word!

John 1:v.1&3 reveals this for us. 1 In the beginning (in JESUS) was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by Him (by JESUS) ; and without Him (without JESUS) was not any thing made that was made.

My response:

1. the WORD WAS GOD!!!!! you're ignoring that.... Word=LOGOS...thoughts...but also the thinker of those thoughts!!

2. Daniel 2:2 says that light dwelleth with God, Job 12:13 says that With God is wisdom and strength.

Comment: So are those persons too? you got the Word, Light, wisdom, strengh.....that's more then just 3 isn't it?

of course not!!! The bible says God is light.....God is the WOrd!...God is love....these are all just character traits of God....the LOGOS are the thoughts/utterances of GOd the Father.

If you are a Christian and believe in JESUS, then you may know that God is Spirit. What is the image of the invisible Spirit of God? the own JESUS explained this, saying: he that hath seen me hath seen the Father. (John 14:9)

My response: Look at what you just said.....what you just said isn't trinitarian at all...you just supported what i've been saying the whole time....JESUS was just God the Father made visible.

Read what you said again

"If you are a Christian and believe in JESUS, then you may know that God is Spirit. What is the image of the invisible Spirit of God?

You're saying what i've been saying....JESUS isn't a distinct God person...he's simply an expressed image of the invisible God the Father (hebrew 1:3).

Since we agree...JESUS was just God the Father expressing himself...not a distinct God person....could just end it...i'm glad we came to an agreement....that there is one GOD.....that simply made himself visible in Christ.....this verse sums it up just right.

2 Corinthians 5:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 To wit, that God was in Christ

God=diety
son/Christ=human body

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Jul 10, 2018

Oseas said:
Gen. 1:26 - Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

To interpret this great mystery, the gifts given through the Spirit, that are the gift of wisdom and gift of science are them which can help us to enter in the field of revelation for to understand the God's plan in the creation of man. It is good to say that this is so far of the field of speculations that tend to invent false theories more than revelations. Very dangerous.

Let us analize this biblical verse:
1- Could our God Father say: I will make a man in my image, after my likeness? No, not. Why not? Let us see: God is an invísible being. What is His image? What is His likeness? How would be the image of a man in this case? Again, Let us see: God is the Word, the Word is God. By the context of creation, What would be the image of the Word? What would be His likeness in this primary context of creation? It would be, let us say, impossible to make a man of the Invísible God only.
Notice that the plan of GOD was to create man in the sixth day of Creation, by the way, on the eve of his day of rest, the seventh Day, certainly He would had a hard work to make man in His image and in His likeness, so it would be the last work.

What would need GOD to do in that first moment, for to make a man in the sixth Day? He would need to make first a likeness of Himself, a likeness of the Invisible God. Here is the GREAT MYSTERY for us to interpret it together. Without His likeness was impossible to create man. Who would be His likeness? JESUS of course. Only JESUS. Here is the MYSTERY. GOD needed, in first place, to make TWO great works: to make be born the person of JESUS and also to make be born the person of the Comfort, the Spirit of Truth, each One in a pre-dertermined Day of the week. First JESUS and after, the person of the Comfort, the Spirit of Truth. And when or in which Days of the week these works would hapen? In accord GOD's plan, JESUS would be born in the fourth Day of Creation (Col.1:15-20) 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.. After JESUS would be born, then would be born the person of the Spirit of Truth in the sixth Day of the week, birthed in the image of God, after His likeness (Rev. 12:vs.1 - 2 and 5 and so on).

For better understanding, it is important to know that JESUS was born around 2,000 years ago, ie. 4,000 years after of beginning of creation.

It is important to note that care must be taken not to replace the gifts of wisdom and science with speculations and presumptions in the writings of the Holy Scriptures.

1- Could our God Father say: I will make a man in my image, after my likeness? No, not. Why not? Let us see: God is an invísible being. What is His image? What is His likeness? How would be the image of a man in this case? Again, Let us see: God is the Word, the Word is God. By the context of creation, What would be the image of the Word? What would be His likeness in this primary context of creation? It would be, let us say, impossible to make a man of the Invísible God only.
Notice that the plan of GOD was to create man in the sixth day of Creation, by the way, on the eve of his day of rest, the seventh Day, certainly He would had a hard work to make man in His image and in His likeness, so it would be the last work.

My Response: this is where hebrews 1:3 comes in....JESUS is called the image of God right? But Image has nothing to do with physical characteristics....in Hebrews 1:3...it's referring to the qualities of JESUS. JESUS is even called the Power...and Wisdom of God the Father (1 corinthians 1:18)

But here's the difference...JESUS was the expressed image....which means he had all the qualities of God...he was an exact reproduction...or copy...of God the Father in flesh. But we were just made in his image....made in his likeness.....so we have some qualities of God but we aren't God. God Loves....we love....God makes choices...we make choices....God is peace...we have peace....etc.

you took colossians 1:15-20 way out of context....by firstborn of every creature it's just referring to the human body JESUS walked in...we know this becuase right before that JESUS is called an image...of God the father...

Also the bible says the son was born...in the NT.....I've shown that multiple times...never the OT. Also if you believe JESUS was born....and even the HOly SPirit was born....then they can't be GOd....becuase GOd the bible says created the world and the fullness thereof...and God just means Supreme.

If you were created by God the Father....you can't' be supreme....and i've shown verses where the Son was made..in the bible but it's the NT not OT.

Oseas · Jul 10, 2018

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:
i've shown you numerous scriptures in which God is referenced in the singular tense in just the OT!!....you only gave me one scripture from the OT where "we" is found....

If 99% of the time you see "I", "we" "who" or other singular words to describe God...and only one time you see "we" common sense would suggest you go with the 99%. And I even showed you why the "We" is even there anyway....

The people of Israel was always linked with gods which were not gods, they even worshipped calf as their god like the Egyptians, inclusive the israaelites false prophets leaded the people of Israel to worship many gods.

God always warned the people of Israel saying unto them by His true prophets does not exist another God but He Himself. Furthermore, the God's prophets did not know JESUS except by the revelation given to them by the Holy Spirit of God.

Oseas · Jul 10, 2018

JESUS=G.O.A.T said:
the scripture literally says....JEsus was the expressed image of God the Father....

God the Father....expressing himself.....in an image (human) this isn't rocket science.

Of course, for in the beginning (in JESUS) was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him (by JESUS) and without Him was not any thing made that was made. In Him (in JESUS) was life and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not, as hapenned with Israel leaded / guided by false prophets. The true prophets of God they did kill them.

JESUS=G.O.A.T · Jul 10, 2018

Oseas said:
Of course, for in the beginning (in JESUS) was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him (by JESUS) and without Him was not any thing made that was made. In Him (in JESUS) was life and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not, as hapenned with Israel leaded / guided by false prophets. The true prophets of God they did kill them.

... I guess what I’m confused by is if you’re a trinitarian or not... you’re not a modalist but you lean more towards that then you do trinitarian... no trinitarian would say the son was born after the father...only a modalist would... but medalist belive the son came in the NT that’s the only thing keeping you from being modalist. You believe he was made on the 4th creation day

Eliyahu52 · Jul 11, 2018

Bs"d

God is ONE

And therefore not three, not triune, not three in one, but ONE!!

"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4

"Listen, Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One" Holman Christian Standard Bible

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one." English Standard Version

"Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!" New American Standard Bible

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one." New International Version

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!" New King James Version"

"And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, "Which commandment is the first of all?" Jesus answered, "The first is, `Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, THE LORD IS ONE; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' The second is this, `You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these." And the scribe said to him, "You are right, Teacher; you have truly said that HE IS ONE, and there is no other but he; and to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the strength, and to love one's neighbor as oneself, is much more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices." And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God."" Mark 12:28-34 Revised Standard Version

“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one." .... "You are right in saying that God is one" New International Version

"Here is the most important one. Moses said, 'Israel, listen to me. The Lord is our God. The Lord is one." .... "You are right in saying that God is one." New International Readers Version

"Jesus answered: Listen, Israel! The Lord our God, The Lord is One." .... "You have correctly said that He is One," Holman Christian Standard Bible

"Jesus answered, The first is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God, the Lord is one:" .... "thou hast well said that he is one;" American Standard Version

"Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one." New King James Version

"Jesus answered, "The most important is, 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one" .... "You have truly said that he is one," English Standard Version

"Jesus said, "The first in importance is, 'Listen, Israel: The Lord your God is one;" .... "A wonderful answer, Teacher! So lucid and accurate—that God is one" The Message

"‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one." .... “You are right in saying that God is one" New International Version

"Now an intermediary implies more than one; but GOD IS ONE." Gal 3:20 Revised Standard Version

"Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but GOD IS ONE" King James Version

"A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but GOD IS ONE." New International Version

"Now an intermediary implies more than one, but GOD IS ONE." English Standard Version

"Now a mediator is not a mediator of one; but GOD IS ONE." American Standard Version

"and the mediator is not of one, and GOD IS ONE" Youngs Literal Translation

"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well." James 2:19 Revised Standard Version

"thou -- thou dost believe that GOD IS ONE; thou dost well," Youngs Literal translation

"Thou believest that GOD IS ONE; thou doest well:" American Standard Version

"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well." Holman Christian Standard Bible.

"*Thou* believest that GOD IS ONE. Thou doest well." Darby Translation.

"It’s good that you believe that GOD IS ONE." Common English Bible

"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well." English Standard Version

"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well." Amplified Bible

"You believe that GOD IS ONE You do well;" New American Standard Bible

So the Bible teaches clearly that God is ONE.

"And J-e-h-o-v-a-h shall be King over all the earth: in that day shall J-e-h-o-v-a-h be one, and his name one." Zach 14:9 American Standard Version

"And the LORD shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be— “The LORD is one, And His name one." New King James Version

"And the LORD will be king over all the earth. On that day the LORD will be one and his name one." English Standard Version

"And the Lord shall be King over all the earth; in that day the Lord shall be one [in the recognition and worship of men] and His name one." Amplified Bible

Petros2015 · Jul 11, 2018

Petros2015 · Jul 11, 2018

I suspect there is some sort of hyper-dimensionality in play with God that we are all missing.

Tayla · Jul 11, 2018

Tree of Life said:
The God of the Bible is Triune - a being-in-relationship with himself from all eternity.

Yes, very perceptive observation.

Tree of Life · Jul 11, 2018

Eliyahu52 said:
Bs"d

God is ONE

And therefore not three, not triune, not three in one, but ONE!!

"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4

"Listen, Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One" Holman Christian Standard Bible

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one." English Standard Version

"Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!" New American Standard Bible

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one." New International Version

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!" New King James Version"

"And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, "Which commandment is the first of all?" Jesus answered, "The first is, `Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, THE LORD IS ONE; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' The second is this, `You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these." And the scribe said to him, "You are right, Teacher; you have truly said that HE IS ONE, and there is no other but he; and to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the strength, and to love one's neighbor as oneself, is much more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices." And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God."" Mark 12:28-34 Revised Standard Version

“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one." .... "You are right in saying that God is one" New International Version

"Here is the most important one. Moses said, 'Israel, listen to me. The Lord is our God. The Lord is one." .... "You are right in saying that God is one." New International Readers Version

"Jesus answered: Listen, Israel! The Lord our God, The Lord is One." .... "You have correctly said that He is One," Holman Christian Standard Bible

"Jesus answered, The first is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God, the Lord is one:" .... "thou hast well said that he is one;" American Standard Version

"Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one." New King James Version

"Jesus answered, "The most important is, 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one" .... "You have truly said that he is one," English Standard Version

"Jesus said, "The first in importance is, 'Listen, Israel: The Lord your God is one;" .... "A wonderful answer, Teacher! So lucid and accurate—that God is one" The Message

"‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one." .... “You are right in saying that God is one" New International Version

"Now an intermediary implies more than one; but GOD IS ONE." Gal 3:20 Revised Standard Version

"Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but GOD IS ONE" King James Version

"A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but GOD IS ONE." New International Version

"Now an intermediary implies more than one, but GOD IS ONE." English Standard Version

"Now a mediator is not a mediator of one; but GOD IS ONE." American Standard Version

"and the mediator is not of one, and GOD IS ONE" Youngs Literal Translation

"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well." James 2:19 Revised Standard Version

"thou -- thou dost believe that GOD IS ONE; thou dost well," Youngs Literal translation

"Thou believest that GOD IS ONE; thou doest well:" American Standard Version

"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well." Holman Christian Standard Bible.

"*Thou* believest that GOD IS ONE. Thou doest well." Darby Translation.

"It’s good that you believe that GOD IS ONE." Common English Bible

"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well." English Standard Version

"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well." Amplified Bible

"You believe that GOD IS ONE You do well;" New American Standard Bible

So the Bible teaches clearly that God is ONE.

"And J-e-h-o-v-a-h shall be King over all the earth: in that day shall J-e-h-o-v-a-h be one, and his name one." Zach 14:9 American Standard Version

"And the LORD shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be— “The LORD is one, And His name one." New King James Version

"And the LORD will be king over all the earth. On that day the LORD will be one and his name one." English Standard Version

"And the Lord shall be King over all the earth; in that day the Lord shall be one [in the recognition and worship of men] and His name one." Amplified Bible

The oneness of God is not opposed to his triunity. “There is one true God” is foundational to Trinitarian theology. The Trinity is not three gods.

If God Exists, He is Necessarily Triune

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