Liberal double standard

That's because it's a fetus, not a baby.  No contradictions after all.

Today at 02:49 PM I can eat 50 eggs said this in Post #3

so when does it make this miraculous transformation from fetus to baby?

do you really believe that? wow....

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First, I'm amazed that you're a mod.

Secondly, if you're the one claiming it's a baby, then you should be able to tell us when the transformation occurs.  Unless of course you believe that a cell fertilized 6 minutes ago is a baby?

and the violent peace demonstrations? yeah, no double standard there!

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Not that I'm in favor of violent demonstrations period, but I'm a little unsure how you can equate rock throwing with the specific invasion of another country.

I mean, you don't actually believe that the majority of these peace activists are pacifists, do you? Most of them aren't against war in general. Just this war, in this way.

In much the same way as, oh, Senator McCain was against Clinton's Kosovo thing, while supporting Bush's Iraq invasion.

Today at 02:50 PM I can eat 50 eggs said this in Post #4

and the violent peace demonstrations? yeah, no double standard there!

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The majority of the demonstrations in the US have been peaceful.  Vast majority of them.

In some countries, such as Egypt, there has been violence between protesters and police.  Not between protesters and civilians. 

But to get back to your dubious question - it is not a double standard. These people are reacting against their government, and rising up to assert their human rights - and in many of these coutnries, the police are brutal and assault anyone who tries to speak freely or assemble for political causes.  That's what you were asking the Iraqis to do, remember?  And (allegedly) that's what Bush says we're going to do in Iraq - give them human rights and prevent state-sponsored brutality.  So how come you don't like it when protesters in Egypt or Japan rise up, and try to grab those same rights for themselves?  Hmmm??

Sheesh - you're the one with the double standard, it seems.

Peaceful protest here yesterday:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/134658448_protest21m.html

Thousands hit Seattle streets in peaceful march

By Seattle Times staff

 
A young, boisterous crowd of war protesters filled Seattle streets in a cross-city march yesterday as part of a nationwide school walkout.

Belying the city's WTO-bred reputation for civil disobedience, yesterday's marches — one in the afternoon and another in the evening — were more peaceful than the raucous demonstrations that resulted in arrests elsewhere in the country on the second day of the war in Iraq.

Even with the cold and rain, hundreds of people remained to hear the last speaker at 8:30 p.m. Soon after, a couple dozen people were left, praying and meditating near a corner of the Henry M. Jackson Federal Building as they prepared for an all-night vigil. It was the first of seven planned evening protests and all-night vigils at the building.

As of late last night, there were no arrests in Seattle and no reports of property damage.

 

Hmmmm, very interesting, do you know where I can find this stuff? Er....what is ACLU?

 

At the moment of fertilization an egg becomes a human. This is biological fact. This human has all the chromosones needed for life. He/she is a unique individual with unique DNA. This living and growing human can be nothing other than a person. What would be the alternative. A being can't just change into another being. A human starts out as a human and continues to be a human. This person even has a seperate cirulatory system from the mother. Their blood never mixes. Two beating hearts enter an abortion clinic but only one beating heart exits.

Yesterday at 11:27 PM MetalBlade said this in Post #9

Hmmmm, very interesting, do you know where I can find this stuff? Er....what is ACLU?

 

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ACLU is the American Civil Liberties Union, a commie organization that somehow thinks that you can both "civil liberties" without having economic liberties.

Today at 04:35 PM panterapat said this in Post #10

At the moment of fertilization an egg becomes a human. This is biological fact. This human has all the chromosones needed for life. He/she is a unique individual with unique DNA. This living and growing human can be nothing other than a person. What would be the alternative. A being can't just change into another being. A human starts out as a human and continues to be a human. This person even has a seperate cirulatory system from the mother. Their blood never mixes. Two beating hearts enter an abortion clinic but only one beating heart exits.

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ok, so a cell upon fertilisation is instantaneously human.

Logic: The cell has DNA & chromosomes.

By this logic, amputating my arm would be considered murder. It has DNA and chromosomes too... in fact, so does all my body. I should be charged for genocide for using dandruff shampoo. And while we're at it, organ transpant recipients should sign adoption/foster care forms!

The very simple thing is, until it is self-sufficient and all its senses have developed/a significant of percentage of senses have developed <or those which are going to develop>, it cannot be classified as human, it is nothing more than cells with DNA.

Yesterday at 04:49 PM I can eat 50 eggs said this in Post #3

so when does it make this miraculous transformation from fetus to baby?

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According to the Bible, "at birth".

The Old Testament lists penalties for many crimes, including murder. Injuring a pregnant woman such that she loses her baby is not "murder", it's "property damage". It's right there in the book.

I personally think it's probably more accurate to look at viability, or possibly brain function, but... It's a fuzzy area, because we don't really know what makes the death of one clump of cells "murder" and the death of another "medical care". We have a number of emotional responses which, for most people, end up being inconsistent if you look at all the weird special cases.

Probably the most comprehensive way to look at it, taking the most things into account, is to introduce gradations of "life", such that killing a person in cold blood is "100% murder" and killing a cancer is "0% murder", at which point, we find that killing a zygote is perhaps "1% murder", but killing a baby at 8 months is probably "95% murder".

But it's really not all that cut-and-dried, from a scientific standpoint. About 40% of babies conceived spontaneously abort without anyone doing anything about them. Do you mourn them? If not, any hostility towards people who advocate access to abortions during that first couple of weeks is sheer hypocrisy; if you *really* think they're "people", you should mourn them when they die. (In fact, most of the time, people don't even *know* that there was a pregnancy in such cases, unless they happen to be doing lots of blood tests.)

Yesterday at 04:46 PM I can eat 50 eggs said this in Post #1

I was bored, went to see what the nifty keen people over at the ACLU were up to. I got a real chuckle out of some of there site, Under "death penalty" they argue that no one should be put to death. Even the rapist/murderer of 12 year old kids. THEN, you can flip over to there "women's rights" page, and see how they argue that abortions are ok.

SO, death to a convicted murderer rapist.....bad!
Death for a baby...... GOOD!

Gotta love consistency and logic like that.

Also got to get a kick out of all the peace demonstrations that are turning violent......

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Very few people are arguing that murderers don't deserve to die.&nbsp;&nbsp;Were arguing that if our govenrment get's it right 99 out of 100 times, if 99 out of every 100 people executed are guilty of the crimes for which they were convicted.....&nbsp;&nbsp; It would still be&nbsp;unethical for our governement to execute it's prisoners.&nbsp;

As for abortion, most liberals tend to lean toward allowing the Mother to make the decision rather than the governemnt.&nbsp; Personally, I'd like to only see the mother get that option when she has been raped or when her health is in jepardy.&nbsp; I think it's a crying shame the way Americans disrespect life.

Today at 01:35 AM panterapat said this in Post #10

At the moment of fertilization an egg becomes a human. This is biological fact. This human has all the chromosones needed for life. He/she is a unique individual with unique DNA. This living and growing human can be nothing other than a person. What would be the alternative. A being can't just change into another being. A human starts out as a human and continues to be a human. This person even has a seperate cirulatory system from the mother. Their blood never mixes. Two beating hearts enter an abortion clinic but only one beating heart exits.

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A fetus?

It is a carrot... or maybe a bun.

It only (magically) turns into a baby when the mom says "abracadabra".

Partial birth abortion is the killing of a carrot. We won't get into the lovely, peaceful description of how this fully developed, 100 viable "carrot" has it's carrot brains sucked out by the doctor (opps, I mean "gardener") who in reality is only pruning the mother... who must also be a carrot.

The hypocricy and willingness to believe lies and spin comfortable little stories is amazing.

Have your baby, and if hampers your lifestyle so much that you do not want it, then have the decency to let someone have it who will love it and take care of it.

Today at 02:42 AM caley said this in Post #11




ACLU is the American Civil Liberties Union, a commie organization that somehow thinks that you can both "civil liberties" without having economic liberties.

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OHH! Thank You!

Uhm...the ACLU is right. People shouldn't be put to death. Even proponents of the death penalty in the US admit the system is flawed, because the system is flawed. Lawyers who fell asleep during their clients' trials, prosecution/defense lawyers and judges who referred to the defendant as "boy" throughout his trial, lawyers who did nothing to put on a defense for their clients, attempts to railroad the innocent to death (remember Rolando Cruz?), mistakes even without attempts to get the wrong guy (Randall Dale Adams), obvious bias racially at all levels of the process, etc. AREN'T a good argument that, at least for now, people shouldn't be put to death? Then what, o great one, IS a good enough reason to be opposed to the death penalty?

How can you advocate the murder of Innocent people in our Justice system and then stand on a soap box and preach about the murder of innocent children? That is true Hypocracy!

Life is so much more than a zygote, fetus, or embryo. Scientists once held the view of unborn babies were not viable until 36 weeks. Until Roe v Wade. And the FDA stepped up to the plate and changed it. Research it. So why is this even an argument? If scientists could change viability and make it public knowledge then people would change their views to fit the ideals of scientists to make their points valid. LOL it is ridiculous. Look,&nbsp;humans are humans. Life is life. No matter at&nbsp;what stage of&nbsp;"life" you are in!&nbsp;We are ALL created by our creator! &nbsp;We are fearfully and wonderfully made! How can anyone deny the power of God? He knew us before we were born!

To argue abortion from a political standpoint is and always will be unfruitful. The debate is always about viability and the mother's constitutional rights to her privacy, body, lifestyle etc. If everyone would draw closer to the heart of the Lord and see all people (born and unborn) through the eyes of Christ, they would see that children really are a heritage to God! And those children deserve a chance at the life God intended them to have!

I would challenge every single one of you posting here to do a little more research before you spout out self admiring opinions. Go to the Bible to see how God views life. Secondly, if you are clueless to the statistics.....do your homework. You will be floored at how many mothers end the "Lives" within their wombs for reasons of rape, incest, health.....It is less than 2%! We have wiped out a WHOLE generation guys!

Again, I say, this is not about left wing right wing politics. I can't imagine for one skinny little second that God is in heaven and watching a mother abort her child and thinks NOTHING about it! Who gives a hoot the defining term of what God has placed inside of an expecting mother???????? Answer that for me.......Please.

I did read the Bible, and in the Bible, it's not a "person" until birth. If you want to argue with that, go rewrite Leviticus and Deuteronomy.