Eve's Morals

Paidiske · Jul 8, 2018

Kevin Snow said:
You don't understand? Every woman IS doing that. You just can't see how.

And the fundamental reason a woman is not raised above the tide in a thousand, where only 1 man is raised up is because a woman is intrinsically doing things on the basis of man and not of God.

What I see is you denigrating women.

Kevin Snow · Jul 8, 2018

Paidiske said:
What I see is you denigrating women.

Women ARE underneath men. That's not denigration. That's their place. If you've got a problem with this, then you are not submissive to God. God himself put us over you and that's that.

Hear, O daughter, and consider, and incline your ear:
forget your people and your father’s house,
and the king will desire your beauty.
Since he is your lord, bow to him.
~Psalms 45:10-11

as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord. And you are her children, if you do good and do not fear anything that is frightening. ~1 Peter 3:6

Are you ready to call your husband LORD, because that is exactly what he is to women.

Doug Melven · Jul 8, 2018

SkyWriting said:
I agree completely. So before Adam sinned....what was his state of being?
Was he natural, imortal, a god, in limbo.....what?
Was he physical, but imortal? Physical and natural but unable to die?
Subject to physical death, but not Spiritual death? Not human?

Before Adam sinned, he was immortal. He would not have died. Even though he had a physical body
Before Adam sinned, there was no death, his sin changed all of that, now man knew good and evil. And God said the day he ate the forbidden fruit he would die. That day he died spiritually, he was now afraid of God and separated from God.

SkyWriting · Jul 8, 2018

Doug Melven said:
Before Adam sinned, he was immortal. He would not have died. Even though he had a physical body
Before Adam sinned, there was no death, his sin changed all of that, now man knew good and evil. And God said the day he ate the forbidden fruit he would die. That day he died spiritually, he was now afraid of God and separated from God.

Well, physical bodies normally die, but he needed normal food
which says that his body was pretty normal, but immortal...which is weird.
Jesus was the second Adam...but He died normally.....

Saint Steven · Jul 8, 2018

I don't think that humanity lost their immortality as a result of the Fall.
They did die spiritually though. This is why condemned humanity spends eternity in hell.
Because they are immortal. Even hell cannot kill them. Eternal death.

Matthew 25:46
“Then they will go away to eternal punishment,
but the righteous to eternal life.”

Doug Melven · Jul 8, 2018

SkyWriting said:
Well, physical bodies normally die, but he needed normal food
which says that his body was pretty normal, but immortal...which is weird.
Jesus was the second Adam...but He died normally.....

There was nothing normal about Jesus' death.
Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

All that Jesus went through could not kill Him.
No one took Jesus' life, He gave it willingly. John 10:18

S.O.J.I.A. · Jul 8, 2018

the same Hebrew language is used again in genesis 4:7 regarding sin and cain.

I don't think sin wants to be with cain but to overtake cain and have power over him.

the curse of the gender relationship is power struggle. the woman seeks to usurp the authority of the man while the man will abuse the authority he has over the woman.

ac28 · Jul 9, 2018

Saint Steven said:
I don't think that humanity lost their immortality as a result of the Fall.
They did die spiritually though. This is why condemned humanity spends eternity in hell.
Because they are immortal. Even hell cannot kill them. Eternal death.

Matthew 25:46
“Then they will go away to eternal punishment,
but the righteous to eternal life.”

Death is the opposite of Life. Eternal punishment is eternal death.

Chinchilla · Jul 9, 2018

Kevin Snow said:
Do you want to hear my interpretation of this saying?

This saying was not a punishment but was a statement of fact. God was putting her in her place underneath man. The fundamental role of man and woman is defined in this statement. The head of man is Christ and the head of woman is man. And this is fundamental to the role that woman plays.

You can actually see this very reality in life if you know what to look for. The woman is intrinsically looking at man to decide what she is going to do herself. She is not actually doing things in her own right but she is doing things with the eventual hope she has approval from man. While man does things to receive approval from God. This is the fundamental reality of woman in that her desire is towards her husband. She is looking to him to establish what she is doing.

1 Timothy 2:11-14 King James Version (KJV)
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Nothing changed from Genesis to 1 Timothy

yeshuaslavejeff · Jul 9, 2018

PloverWing said:
I hear it as a statement of the curse, the brokenness of human relationships after the fall. "Thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." She desires him, she is drawn to be in a relationship with him -- but, instead of being in a loving relationship, he rules over her. It's a quite profound description of how human relationships can be twisted and broken by sin.

It is not written, no,
"instead of being in a loving relationship, he rules over her."

That is akin to saying an admiral or high ranking officer,
fully and completely doing their duty in war time or in peace time,
in ruling over those under their command are somehow not loving them
when in truth and in fact it is for their good.
If the enlisted were not ruled over in their chain of command, there would be chaos and disorder.

Being in right standing as God has said and instructed is always best and good and right.

Saint Steven · Jul 9, 2018

ac28 said:
Death is the opposite of Life. Eternal punishment is eternal death.

What is it that makes the "eternal" punishment eternal?
Or, what is your definition of "death"?

ac28 · Jul 9, 2018

Saint Steven said:
What is it that makes the "eternal" punishment eternal?
Or, what is your definition of "death"?

Ceasing to exist, unless resurrected. Called Annihilation by it's detractors. A dead soul = a dead person, which is one who has either had the spirit or the dust of the earth (chemicals) removed. It takes both of these to be a living soul, a living person - Genesis 2:7

I also think the odds favor Satan being the father of Cain

Saint Chris

Saint Steven · Jul 9, 2018

ac28 said:
Ceasing to exist, unless resurrected. Called Annihilation by it's detractors.

Saint Chris

How can "ceasing" be eternal? Sounds like a full stop.
What stops, and what is eternal?

- Steve

yeshuaslavejeff · Jul 9, 2018

Saint Steven said:
How can "ceasing" be eternal? Sounds like a full stop.
What stops, and what is eternal?

- Steve

Good questions and most people have no idea.

Reading through Scripture, Yahweh's Word, TORAH, PROPHETS, PSALMS and NEW TESTAMENT
over time you will see 'eternal', 'forever', and so on about several things in several different areas. Seek to obtain truth at all costs, to obtain understanding from Yahweh, as He is the One who grants this.

Try not to jump to a conclusion, and especially not to believe tradition which can be wrong, unless ALL SCRIPTURE confirms something.

ac28 · Jul 9, 2018

Saint Steven said:
How can "ceasing" be eternal? Sounds like a full stop.
What stops, and what is eternal?

- Steve

Little picky, don't you think. You know what I meant.

What stops? Existence, assuming no resurrection.
What is eternal? Non-existence, assuming no resurrection.

Saint Steven · Jul 9, 2018

ac28 said:
I also think the odds favor Satan being the father of Cain

Saint Chris

What do you make of this?

Genesis 4:1
Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain.
She said, “With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man.”

Saint Steven · Jul 9, 2018

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Good questions and most people have no idea.

Reading through Scripture, Yahweh's Word, TORAH, PROPHETS, PSALMS and NEW TESTAMENT
over time you will see 'eternal', 'forever', and so on about several things in several different areas. Seek to obtain truth at all costs, to obtain understanding from Yahweh, as He is the One who grants this.

Try not to jump to a conclusion, and especially not to believe tradition which can be wrong, unless ALL SCRIPTURE confirms something.

Did you know that the term "the realm of the dead" appears 29 times in the NIV translation of the Bible.

Yet no one talks about it. (in general)

- Steve

Saint Steven · Jul 9, 2018

ac28 said:
Little picky, don't you think. You know what I meant.

What stops? Existence, assuming no resurrection.
What is eternal? Non-existence, assuming no resurrection.

I think we disagree on the definition of death. (and life)
Consider this.

Luke 20:37-39
But in the account of the burning bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise,
for he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’
38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.”
39 Some of the teachers of the law responded, “Well said, teacher!”

ac28 · Jul 9, 2018

Saint Steven said:
Did you know that the term "the realm of the dead" appears 29 times in the NIV translation of the Bible.

Yet no one talks about it. (in general)

- Steve

I checked a couple of those. The "realm of the dead" translates sheol, the grave

Saint Steven · Jul 9, 2018

ac28 said:
I checked a couple of those. The "realm of the dead" translates sheol, the grave

Very good. What does that tell us about death?

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