Revelation 9: Tormented 5 MONTHS and death fleeing

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 7, 2018

Has anyone noticed the 5 months in Reve 9 in comparison with the time the flood covered the earth in Gene 7:24:

Revelation 9:
5 and it was given to them that they may not kill them, but that they may be tormented five months,
and their torment [is] as the torment of a scorpion, when it may strike a man;
6 And in those days shall men shall be seeking the death, and shall not shall be finding it
and shall be yearning/desiring to be dying and the death fleeing from them.
10 They had tails like scorpions, and there were stings in their tails. Their power was to hurt men five months.

Genesis 7:24
And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days.

According to Josephus, it took about 5 months for the Roman army, from the time Titus encompassed Jerusalem, to the final destruction of the City, :

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover.....................

For five days after the destruction of the Temple, the priests who had escaped, sat pining with hunger on the top of one of its broken walls; at length, they came down, and humbly asked the pardon of Titus,
which, however, he refused to grant them, saying, that, "as the Temple, for the sake of which he would have spared them, was destroyed, it was but fit that its priests should perish also:" -whereupon he commanded that they should be put to death.

...............This memorable siege terminated on the eighth day of the ninth month, A.D. 70 : its duration was nearly five months, the Romans having invested the city on the fourteenth day of the fourth month, preceeding.

Before their final demolition, however, Titus took a survey of the city and its fortifications ; and, while contemplating their impregnable strength, could not help ascribing his success to the peculiar interposition of the ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. "Had not God himself (exclaimed he) aided out operations, and driven the Jews from their fortresses, it would have been absolutely impossible to have taken them ; for what could men, and the force of engines, have done against such towers as these.................

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https://www.christianforums.com/thr...5-months-and-scorpions.8072257/#post-72913047
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https://www.christianforums.com/thr...5-months-and-scorpions.8072257/#post-72913427
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https://www.christianforums.com/thr...5-months-and-scorpions.8072257/#post-72915254
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https://www.christianforums.com/thr...hs-and-scorpions.8072257/page-3#post-72923586
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https://www.christianforums.com/thr...hs-and-scorpions.8072257/page-3#post-72923713
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https://www.christianforums.com/thr...hs-and-scorpions.8072257/page-3#post-72943410
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https://www.christianforums.com/thr...hs-and-scorpions.8072257/page-4#post-72949506
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https://www.christianforums.com/thr...hs-and-scorpions.8072257/page-4#post-72983783
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https://www.christianforums.com/thr...hs-and-scorpions.8072257/page-4#post-73122432
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https://www.christianforums.com/thr...hs-and-scorpions.8072257/page-4#post-73125423
Jerusalem desolate uninhabited

Kevin Snow · Jul 7, 2018

So...what are you saying? 5 months of suffering of some kind. Ok

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 7, 2018

Kevin Snow said:
So...what are you saying? 5 months of suffering of some kind. Ok

Thanks for replying.

According to the greek, yes

5 and it was given to them that they may not kill them, but that they may be tormented<928> five months,
and their torment<929> [is] as the torment<929> of a scorpion, when it may strike a man;

928. basanizo bas-an-id'-zo from 931; to torture:--pain, toil, torment, toss, vex.
929. basanismos bas-an-is-mos' from 928; torture:--torment.

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 7, 2018

Revelation 9:
5 and it was given to them that they may not kill them, but that they may be tormented/basanisqhsontai<928> five months,
and their torment<929> [is] as the torment<929> of a scorpion, when it may strike a man;

928. basanizo bas-an-id'-zo from 931; to torture:--pain, toil, torment, toss, vex.
929. basanismos bas-an-is-mos' from 928; torture:--torment.

Strong's Number G928 matches the Greek βασανίζω (basanizō), which occurs 12 times in 12 verses

That form of #928 used in Reve 9:5 occurs in only 1 other verse:

Revelation 20:
10 and the Devil, who is leading them astray, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where [are] the beast and the false prophet,
and they shall be tormented/basanisqhsontai<928> day and night — to the ages of the ages.

seventysevens · Jul 7, 2018

The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss.

2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.

3 And out of the smoke locusts came down on the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth.

4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads.

5 They were not allowed to kill them but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes.

6 During those days people will seek death but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.

7 The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces. 8 Their hair was like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth.

9 They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle.

10 They had tails with stingers, like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months.

11 They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).

12 The first woe is past; two other woes are yet to come.

This is part of Gods Wrath that is poured out - not some deeds done by power hungry men - they are likely to be demons that have been locked into the abyss and are now set loose to cause pain on people that continue to be unrepentant , since this was written more than 20 years after the temple destruction of 70 AD it really would not refer to something that happened already in the past , This is a prophecy pertaining to the Wrath of God just prior to Jesus return

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 7, 2018

seventysevens said:
*snip*

This is part of Gods Wrath that is poured out - not some deeds done by power hungry men - they are likely to be demons that have been locked into the abyss and are now set loose to cause pain on people that continue to be unrepentant , since this was written more than 20 years after the temple destruction of 70 AD it really would not refer to something that happened already in the past , This is a prophecy pertaining to the Wrath of God just prior to Jesus return

Thank you.
I am mainly interested in just those 2 verses concerning the 5 months for now.

The destruction of Jerusalem only took about 5 months.

We know the flood lasted 5 months [150 days], and the NT does mention the event:

It appears that only Matthew and Luke bring up "the days of Noah" in the Olivet Discourse?

Matthew 24:37
“But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Luke 17:26
“And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man.

2Pe 2:5
and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness,
bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly;

And these OT verses:

Isaiah 59:19
So shall they fear
The name of the LORD from the west,
And His glory from the rising of the sun;
When the enemy comes in like a flood,
The Spirit of the LORD will lift up a standard against him

Jeremiah 47:2
Thus says the LORD:
“Behold, waters rise out of the north,
And shall be an overflowing flood;
They shall overflow the land and all that is in it,
The city and those who dwell within;
Then the men shall cry,
And all the inhabitants of the land shall wail.

Daniel 11:22
“With the force of a flood they shall be swept away from before him and be broken,
and also the prince of the covenant.

Dave Watchman · Jul 7, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
Has anyone noticed the 5 months in Reve 9 in comparison with the time the flood covered the earth in Gene 7:24:

Yep. I definitely noticed it. Some people think it's symbolic, you think it was at the DofJ, i'm sitting here on the edge of my seat for it to begin at anytime.

I tried to fit the prophetic time periods into the first century, but they wouldn't fit. Even when i used the Cestius siege and tried to force them in. Plus there weren't the right "darkened' sun at the end of the DofJ, immediately after the tribulation of those days.

One of the things i found that surprised me, time and dates calendars will go back to the first century.

https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/custom.html?year=27&country=34&hod=3&df=1

https://www.timeanddate.com/calenda...month=4&country=34&typ=1&hod=3&display=1&df=1

I think we're close to the five months. I think that the Lord is going to come back and roll this whole place up like a scroll very quickly, behold He comes quickly, over a period of five months and change. I did a google search on "the tribulation is five months", and i was surprised at how many people were considering this as a possibility. Recognize your buddy?, he looks familiar.

I think we're just like in the days of John the Baptist. Nobody knows what's going on. Not even the disciples. Even a guy like John B had to send people out to ask: "are you the One we're waiting for, or should we wait for another?

yeshuaslavejeff · Jul 7, 2018

Not "nobody knows". Simply as always most people have no idea.

seventysevens · Jul 7, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
Thank you.
I am mainly interested in just those 2 verses concerning the 5 months for now.

The destruction of Jerusalem only took about 5 months.

We know the flood lasted 5 months [150 days], and the NT does mention the event:

It appears that only Matthew and Luke bring up "the days of Noah" in the Olivet Discourse?

Matthew 24:37
“But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Luke 17:26
“And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man.

2Pe 2:5
and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness,
bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly;

And these OT verses:

Isaiah 59:19
So shall they fear
The name of the LORD from the west,
And His glory from the rising of the sun;
When the enemy comes in like a flood,
The Spirit of the LORD will lift up a standard against him

Jeremiah 47:2
Thus says the LORD:
“Behold, waters rise out of the north,
And shall be an overflowing flood;
They shall overflow the land and all that is in it,
The city and those who dwell within;
Then the men shall cry,
And all the inhabitants of the land shall wail.

Daniel 11:22
“With the force of a flood they shall be swept away from before him and be broken,
and also the prince of the covenant.

It will happen during the wrath of God when the Seals/Trumpets /Vials are happeing
The 5 month time period in Revelation 9 has nothing to do with anything that has happened in the past - might as well divide the 1260 days into 5 month periods of time as that has as much relevance as doing it with Rev 9
or you could figure out a way to make Time Times and Half a Time into 5 months

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 7, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
Has anyone noticed the 5 months in Reve 9 in comparison with the time the flood covered the earth in Gene 7:24:

Dave Watchman said:
Yep. I definitely noticed it. Some people think it's symbolic, you think it was at the DofJ, i'm sitting here on the edge of my seat for it to begin at anytime......................
I think we're close to the five months. I think that the Lord is going to come back and roll this whole place up like a scroll very quickly, behold He comes quickly, over a period of five months and change............

Perhaps.

On to the 5 months..

Here we see in Matthew 24 and Mark 13 of the Olivet Discourse where Jesus tells the Disciples some more info on the pending destruction of Jerusalem in 70ad.

That for the elect's sakes, the days would be shortened.

This word only occurrs in 2 verses of the NT:

2856. koloboo kol-ob-o'-o from a derivative of the base of 2849; to dock, i.e. (figuratively) abridge:--shorten.

Matthew 24
19 And woe to those with child, and to those giving suck in those days; 20 and pray ye that your flight may not be in winter, nor on a sabbath; 21 for there shall be then great tribulation, such as was not from the beginning of the world till now, no, nor may be.
22 And if those days were not shortened/ekolobwqhsan <2856> (5681) no flesh would have been saved;
but because of the chosen, shall those days be shortened/kolobwqhsontai <2856> (5701)

Mark 13
19 for those days shall be tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the creation that God created, till now, and may not be;
20 and if the Lord did not shorten/ekolobwsen <2856> (5656) the days, no flesh had been saved;
but because of the chosen, whom He did choose to Himself, He did shorten/ekolobwsen <2856> (5656) the days.

According to Josephus, Titus actually gives credit to God Himself for the short amount of time it took to level the City.......More study on this.....

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

This memorable siege terminated on the eighth day of the ninth month, A. D. 70 : its duration was nearly five months, the Romans having invested the city on the fourteenth day of the fourth month, preceeding.

Before their final demolition, however, Titus took a survey of the city and its fortifications ; and, while contemplating their impregnable strength, could not help ascribing his success to the peculiar interposition of the ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. "Had not God himself (exclaimed he) aided out operations, and driven the Jews from their fortresses, it would have been absolutely impossible to have taken them, for what could men, and the force of engines, have done against such towers as these ?"

After this he commanded that the city should be commanded razed to its foundations, excepting only the three lofty towers Hippocos, Phasael, and Mariamne, which he suffered to remain as evidences of its strength, and as trophies of his victory. There was left standing, also, a small part of the western wall; as a rampart for a garrison, to keep the surrounding country in subjection.

Revelation 9:
5 and it was given to them that they may not kill them, but that they may be tormented/basanisqhsontai<928> five months,
and their torment<929> as the torment<929> of a scorpion, when it may strike a man;

Revelation 14:8
And another Messenger, second-one follows saying "She falls, She falls, Babylon the Great,
the out of the wine of the fury of the fornication of her she has given to drink all the nations".

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 7, 2018

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Not "nobody knows". Simply as always most people have no idea.

Ya think? I have noticed that myself.........

TribulationSigns · Jul 7, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
Revelation 9:
5 and it was given to them that they may not kill them, but that they may be tormented five months,
and their torment [is] as the torment of a scorpion, when it may strike a man;
6 And in those days shall men shall be seeking the death, and shall not shall be finding it
and shall be yearning/desiring to be dying and the death fleeing from them.
10 They had tails like scorpions, and there were stings in their tails. Their power was to hurt men five months.

Before you explain 5 months, I think you need to read the first three verses:

Revelation 9:1-3 KJV
[1] And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
[2] And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
[3] And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Who is this star that falls from heaven that was given the key to open the bottomless pit?
Why did God allow him, by giving him the key, to open the bottomless pit?
What do the sun and the air represent? And what does the smoke of the pit represents that darkened the sun and the air?
Who does the smoke locusts represent?
What power will they get to become like scorpions of the earth?

Please offer a biblical answer to these question before we deal with 5 months.

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 7, 2018

TribulationSigns said:
Before you explain 5 months, I think you need to read the first three verses:

Revelation 9:1-3 KJV
[1] And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
[2] And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
[3] And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Who is this star that falls from heaven that was given the key to open the bottomless pit?

Why did God allow him, by giving him the key, to open the bottomless pit?

What do the sun and the air represent? And what does the smoke of the pit represents that darkened the sun and the air?

Who does the smoke locusts represent?

What power will they get to become like scorpions of the earth?

Please offer a biblical answer to these question before we deal with 5 months.

That can be for a different thread. Once we get the 5 months narrowed down to 70 ad Jerusalem then we can move on................
Next up the "scorpion tails".................

TribulationSigns · Jul 7, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
That can be for a different thread.
Next up the "scorpion tails".................

I do not see the point of creating a different thread on verse 10 about the scorpion tails which you already mentioned in your OP and its title! The first 10 verses are within the context of the chapter! My questions for you on the first three verses of Revelation 9 still stands which you are probably trying to avoid to explain yourself biblically.

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 7, 2018

TribulationSigns said:
I do not see the point of creating a different thread on verse 10 about the scorpion tails which you already mentioned in your OP and its title! The first 10 verses are within the context of the chapter! My questions for you on the first three verses of Revelation 9 still stands which you are probably trying to avoid to explain yourself biblically.

Start a thread on those verses..........So do you have anything to add concerning the 5 months I have posted?
If not, please do not derail my thread. There are probably others that might be interested in this topic.

Thanks.....

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 7, 2018

will continue tomorrow......g'nite........

seventysevens · Jul 7, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
Perhaps.

On to the 5 months..

Here we see in Matthew 24 and Mark 13 of the Olivet Discourse where Jesus tells the Disciples some more info on the pending destruction of Jerusalem in 70ad.

That for the elect's sakes, the days would be shortened.

This word only occurrs in 2 verses of the NT:

2856. koloboo kol-ob-o'-o from a derivative of the base of 2849; to dock, i.e. (figuratively) abridge:--shorten.

Matthew 24
19 And woe to those with child, and to those giving suck in those days; 20 and pray ye that your flight may not be in winter, nor on a sabbath; 21 for there shall be then great tribulation, such as was not from the beginning of the world till now, no, nor may be.
22 And if those days were not shortened/ekolobwqhsan <2856> (5681) no flesh would have been saved;
but because of the chosen, shall those days be shortened/kolobwqhsontai <2856> (5701)

Mark 13
19 for those days shall be tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the creation that God created, till now, and may not be;
20 and if the Lord did not shorten/ekolobwsen <2856> (5656) the days, no flesh had been saved;
but because of the chosen, whom He did choose to Himself, He did shorten/ekolobwsen <2856> (5656) the days.

According to Josephus, Titus actually gives credit to God Himself for the short amount of time it took to level the City.......More study on this.....

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

This memorable siege terminated on the eighth day of the ninth month, A. D. 70 : its duration was nearly five months, the Romans having invested the city on the fourteenth day of the fourth month, preceeding.

Before their final demolition, however, Titus took a survey of the city and its fortifications ; and, while contemplating their impregnable strength, could not help ascribing his success to the peculiar interposition of the ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. "Had not God himself (exclaimed he) aided out operations, and driven the Jews from their fortresses, it would have been absolutely impossible to have taken them, for what could men, and the force of engines, have done against such towers as these ?"

After this he commanded that the city should be commanded razed to its foundations, excepting only the three lofty towers Hippocos, Phasael, and Mariamne, which he suffered to remain as evidences of its strength, and as trophies of his victory. There was left standing, also, a small part of the western wall; as a rampart for a garrison, to keep the surrounding country in subjection.

Revelation 9:
5 and it was given to them that they may not kill them, but that they may be tormented/basanisqhsontai<928> five months,
and their torment<929> as the torment<929> of a scorpion, when it may strike a man;

Revelation 14:8
And another Messenger, second-one follows saying "She falls, She falls, Babylon the Great,
the out of the wine of the fury of the fornication of her she has given to drink all the nations".

If you are willing to acknowledge that the Olivet discourse by Jesus is about the things that will be taking place just prior to Jesus return , as Israel is being pummeled by her enemies and the wrath of God is taking place , Jesus is making it known that if it were not for HIM returning to save Israel from destruction , there would be no flesh left alive as all life would be destroyed , but for the sake of the elect the days are cut short - this is about Jesus Parousia

Erik Nelson · Jul 8, 2018

Scorpions <--> Luke 10:19, Luke 11:11-12

Luke 10:19
Scorpions = serpents = to be trodden by Christians without harming them

Christians fled to Pella without being harmed by Titus and the legions

Luke 11:11-12
Scorpions & serpents would never be given by a father to his son
ipso facto, those to whom are given scorpions & serpents are not sons

Christ is the archetypal Son, those who Crucified the same and martyred his followers (Stephen in about 33 AD) and brother (St. James in about 62-63 AD) are not sons

To the Son = Church = Christians are given the "rewards of obedience" (Leviticus 26 = 2 Corinthians 6:16), to those antithetical to the same are given the "7-fold punishments for disobedience" (Lev 26)

TribulationSigns · Jul 8, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
will continue tomorrow......g'nite........

Still avoiding these questions after you made several posts elsewhere this morning?

Revelation 9:1-3 KJV
[1] And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
[2] And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
[3] And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Who is this star that falls from heaven that was given the key to open the bottomless pit?
Why did God allow him, by giving him the key, to open the bottomless pit?
What do the sun and the air represent? And what does the smoke of the pit represents that darkened the sun and the air?
Who does the smoke locusts represent?
What power will they get to become like scorpions of the earth?

Please offer a biblical answer to these question before we deal with 5 months.

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 8, 2018

Erik Nelson said:
Scorpions <--> Luke 10:19, Luke 11:11-12

Luke 10:19
Scorpions = serpents = to be trodden by Christians without harming them

Christians fled to Pella without being harmed by Titus and the legions

Luke 11:11-12
Scorpions & serpents would never be given by a father to his son
ipso facto, those to whom are given scorpions & serpents are not sons

Christ is the archetypal Son, those who Crucified the same and martyred his followers (Stephen in about 33 AD) and brother (St. James in about 62-63 AD) are not sons

To the Son = Church = Christians are given the "rewards of obedience" (Leviticus 26 = 2 Corinthians 6:16), to those antithetical to the same are given the "7-fold punishments for disobedience" (Lev 26)

Thank you for that post and bringing up the scorpions.

First off, I want to look at the hebrew and greek words used for "scorpions":

6137 `aqrab ak-rawb' of uncertain derivation; a scorpion; figuratively, a scourge or knotted whip:--scorpion.
Strong's Number H6137 matches the Hebrew עַקְרָב (`aqrab), which occurs 6 times in 6 verses

4651. skorpios skor-pee'-os probably from an obsolete skerpo (perhaps strengthened from the base of 4649 and meaning to pierce); a "scorpion" (from its sting):--scorpion.
Strong's Number G4651 matches the Greek σκορπίος (skorpios), which occurs 5 times in 5 verses

Revelation 9: Tormented 5 MONTHS and death fleeing

Is Revelation 9:5 symbolizing the 5 month siege of 70Ad Jerusalem?

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No

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I have never thought of it that way

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