Where is the abomination of desolation of Daniel, Matt and Mark shown in Revelation

LittleLambofJesus said:

Where in Revelation is shown the AoD mentioned in Daniel, Matthew and Mark?
Any help on this would be appreciated. Thanks.

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About three years three months into being the Antichrist, perceived messiah, King of Israel (illegitimate), the former little horn will unexpectedly go into the temple, sit, claim to be God. Triggering the Day of the Lord.

That act will be a betrayal against the Jewish people and transgresses the covenant they made with God at Mt. Sinai. The act is called the "transgression of desolation" in Daniel 8:13.

God has the person killed for the act. And in Isaiah 14:19-20, in disdain for the person, casts him out of the grave. Come back to life, the person becomes the beast of Revelation 13.

The image in Revelation 13 that will be made of the beast is the abomination of desolation. It will be placed in the temple, 1335 days (Daniel 12:12) before Jesus returns (day 2520) on day 1185 of the 7 years. The image of the beast placed in the temple will trigger the great tribulation.

Counting forward from day 1185, the 1290 days (Daniel 12:11) to day 2475 - on that day 2475, the cosmos will be shaken (the sixth seal event), and the world will see Jesus before the throne of God, the sign of the son of man in heaven.

Over the following 45 days, the armies of the world assemble at Armageddon to make war on Jesus, Psalms 2:1-3. On days 2520, Jesus descends down to earth and executes judgement on them. Ezekiel 39:21.

TribulationSigns said:

Enough said.

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You can say that again.

And i like some of your note.

I agree that A4E was just a punk, not to be mentioned in Scripture.

But then where can you find the AofD in Revelation's narrative?


If the "daily" AND the AofD are both on the same day, then you just have to find where the "continual" is showing in Revelation, and you've got your AofD.

For then there will be great tribulation, since ever there was a nation, no, and never shall be.

Anto9us said:

I'll buy that for a denarius.

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In other words, you with a natural mind are a fool.

[12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Dave Watchman said:

But then where can you find the AofD in Revelation's narrative?

"And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away,
AND the abomination that maketh desolate set up,

there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.​

If the "daily" AND the AofD are both on the same day, then you just have to find where the "continual" is showing in Revelation, and you've got your AofD.

For then there will be great tribulation, since ever there was a nation, no, and never shall be.

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It would require me to write a lengthy commentary of Daniel 9:27, Daniel 12:11-12, Revelation 11:3-10, Revelation 12:5-6, etc. but I am not planning to, so please study all of these verses first before read my position here.

My position is that the "he" of Daniel 9:27 is Jesus Christ Himself. He was cut off for His people, Israel. Not to be confused with national Israel, but Covenant Israel which make up of all of His chosen Elects from Old and New Testament. He has confirmed a covenant with many (not everyone on earth) for one week. So after the Cross, the church represents God's kingdom under this new covenant which spans from the Cross to the Second Coming which is the Consummation of the week. This is known as New Covenant Week.

You may wonder if Jesus Christ was the one who has confirmed a covenant, then the verse 27 shows that he also is the one who will have caused the sacrifice and the obligation to cease. What sacrifice is this? Didn't you realize that Jesus Christ is our high priest fulfilled Daniel 9:24 "to make reconciliation for iniquity?"


We now know that Jesus Christ is our high priest bring sacrifice and oblation to God on our behalf. But Daniel 9:27 tells us that in the midst of the week, he (Jesus Christ) shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease! What is this talking about?

We need to go to Scripture to find out.

When we look at the one-week wilderness journey, we find that it is divided into two segments which are SPIRITUALLY a half week or half a week of years. God uses the term, "time, times and a half." I believe to illustrate this spiritual length of time. To signify that these are not literal periods of time. For example, it is a length of time which is not disclosed (for that would mean we would know when the consummation is, and no man knows the day and hour of the Lord's return, selah!) It is a whole New Covenant period, with specific time signposts only known to God. This time period is to represent a period where God's church (woman) went into the wilderness (world) where she is fed away with Gospel "FROM" the face of the serpent:


This is the FIRST HALF of the week. Christ comes out of Israel (woman), and Israel is delivered of this man Child and she goes into the wilderness as CHURCH where she was Nourished/Fed for time, times, and a half (1,260 days). The same period that the Two Witnesses were to prophesy for 1,260 days (Revelation 11). It is a time of salvation as long as Gospel is fed through the Church!

Now, why does it says the woman is nourished for times, and a half, and not the full week of wilderness journey? Think about it. Because at the end of this "time, times, and a half" the sacrifice and offering for salvation ceases! Why?

First, Christ has finished sealing all of His people through the Church. Second, it is now a time of spiritual famine within the woman, BECAUSE she is no longer fed away from the face of the serpent. In other words, when the testimony of the Two Witnesses for salvation is FINISHED, the beast will come out of bottomless pit and will overcome them and kill them (silence their testimony - not physically killed). This is WHEN Christ has caused the sacrifice and obligation needed for salvation to end and to loosen Beast from the bottomless pit and use him to overrun the unfaithful church and gave her into his hand for time, times and a half which is the second part of the week:


This is the Great Tribulation period FOR THE SAINTS in the church! It is because the power of the Holy People has been scattered. Daniel wrote:


This is as we read in Revelation11 of the two candlesticks/Witnesses/prophets/olive trees bring killed, symbolically! God is painting the picture that when the testimony of Two Witnesses for SALVATION is finished because God has finished sealing all of His people, Israel through the testimony, the church is killed (silence) where the truth is no longer found. That is the language of sacrifice and offering (or the gift) ceasing. The churches testimony is finished because all Israel who is to be saved, has been saved. Because of the overspreading of the abomination that STANDS IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD (Church), they shall make the temple spiritually desolate! This is when the rise of false prophets and Christs taking sit (rules) in the church where Satans actually rules through them, bringing lying signs and wonders to unfaithful church. God sees them as the army of Gog and Magog because he is bringing them against His unfaithful Israel as a judgment. Even until the consummation. Till the end come, and judgment is poured out upon those who make it desolate. The church will remain desolate UNTIL the end when Christ returns.

That is the Biblical interpretation of the 70 weeks of Daniel Chapter Nine. The overview is that the 70 weeks go from the command to build again the City, to the Jubilee year, to the coming of Messiah the Prince of Israel, and after this 62 weeks, is Messiah cut off, and at the same time confirms or strengthens a New Covenant by His work on the cross, for one week. During this week, after the faithful testimony of the Two Witnesses has been fulfilled, the abomination stands in the holy place, and sacrifice and the gift cease when the army of false prophets and christs attacks the church. Therefore, there is no more Salvation left in these churches and the power of the Holy People is scattered. This will be the period of the spiritual famine of hearing the Word of God so that there is no free gift or sacrifice in the Temple. And this abomination shall leave the Temple desolate. And if these days of great tribulation and trouble weren't shortened, there would be no flesh on earth left to be Saved (as sacrifice and offering has ceased). But for the Chosen of God's sake, the days are shortened, that there will be a rapture! And that is at the end or the consummation.

LittleLambofJesus said:

Never heard that view before.

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Of course not. Obviously.

It appears there are a plethora of threads on CF concerning the 2 witnesses:

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But are any of these biblically based or private interpretation to fit their man-made doctrines?

Read this article on Revelation 11 about the (much misunderstood) Two Witnesses, their work, power, prophesy, and their killing at the hands of the Beast from the bottomless pit!

LittleLambofJesus said:

Very interesting view and thanks.
As I always do, I decided to look up where that word "image" is shown elsewhere and behold! Caesar!

Now this is just astounding.
#1504 is used only 3 times in the Gospels, and those in conjunction with the image of Caesar on the denary coin.

Strong's Number G1504 matches the Greek εἰκών (eikōn),which occurs 23 times in 20 verses

Matthew 22:
17 tell us, therefore, what dost thou think? is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar or not?’ 18 And Jesus having known their wickedness, said, ‘Why Me do ye tempt, hypocrites?
19 show Me the tribute-coin?’ and they brought to Him a denary;
20 and he saith to them, ‘Whose [is] this image<1504> and the inscription?’
21 they say to him, ‘Caesar’s;’
then saith he to them, ‘Render therefore the things of Caesar to Caesar, and the things of God to God;’

Mark 12:
’15 And he, knowing their hypocrisy, said to them, ‘Why Me do ye tempt? bring me a denary, that I may see;’
16 and they brought, and He saith to them, ‘Whose [is] this image<1504>, and the inscription?’ and they said to him, ‘Caesar’s;’

Luke 20:
23 And he, having perceived their craftiness, said unto them, ‘Why me do ye tempt?
24 shew me a denary; of whom hath it an image<1504> and superscription?’ and they answering said, ‘Of Caesar:’

And what do the Jewish rulers and their followers proclaim here in John:

John 19:15
Those yet cry-out "take-away! take-away! crucify! Him".
Pilate Is saying to them "the King of ye I shall be crucifying?".
Answered the Chief-priests "not we are having a King except Caesar"

And what does Reve 6:6 say about the Roman denary:

Revelation 6:6
And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denary and three choinex of barleys a denary,
and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring". [John 11:48]

Pulpit Commentary

Verse 20. - Image and superscription. The figure and inscription on the denarius. Jesus takes the coin, and points to it as he speaks.
It must have borne a likeness of the emperor, and,therefore, as Edersheim remarks, must have been either a foreign one (Roman) or possibly one of the Tetrareh Philip, who on some of his coins introduced the image of Tiberius.

The coins struck by the Romans in or for Palestine had, in accommodation to Jewish prejudices, no representation of any personage upon them. The Roman denarius at this date had on the obverse side the head of Tiberius, crowned with laurel leaves, and bore the legend, "TI CAESAR DIVI AVG FAVGVSTVS," and on the reverse, a seated female figure, with the inscription, "PONTIF MAXIM.".........................

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

And he saith unto them,.... Having the penny in one hand, and pointing to it with the other,

whose is this image and superscription? or inscription? for the penny that was, brought him had an image upon it, the form of a man's head struck on it, and round about it an inscription, or writing, showing who it was the image of, and whose money it was, and when it was coined: this is enough to show, that this penny was not a Jewish, but a Roman one; for the Jews, though they put inscriptions, yet no images on their coin; and much less would they put Caesar's thereon, as was on this: it is asked (r),

"What is the coin of Jerusalem? The answer is, David and Solomon on one side, and Jerusalem the holy city off the other side, i.e. as the gloss observes, David and Solomon were "written" on one side, and on the other side were written Jerusalem the holy city.''

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Are you suggesting that the AoD is perhaps the use of the denarius rather than the shekel in the Temple (for the daily sacrifice)?

LittleLambofJesus said:

I did a google search on Christians fleeing Pella and found this:

https://www.preteristarchive.com/StudyArchive/p/pella-flight.html

Eusebius (325)
"But the people of the church in Jerusalem had been commanded by a revelation, vouchsafed to approved men there before the war, to leave the city and to dwell in a certain town of Perea called Pella. " (History of the Church 3:5:3)

"The whole body, however, of the church at Jerusalem, having been commanded by a divine revelation, given to men of approved piety there before the war, removed from the city, and dwelt at a certain town beyond the Jordan, called Pella. Here those that believed in Christ, having removed from Jerusalem, as if holy men had entirely abandoned the royal city itself, and the whole land of Judea; the divine justice, for their crimes against Christ and his apostles finally overtook them, totally destroying the whole generation of these evildoers form the earth. (Eusebius, 3:5.).............

"For when the city was about to be captured and sacked by the Romans, all the disciples were warned beforehand by an angel to remove from the city, doomed as it was to utter destruction. On migrating from it they settled at Pella, the town already indicated, across the Jordan. It is said to belong to Decapolis (de Mens. et Pond., 15)..................................................
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I haven't fully read thru Josephus in awhile, tho I do like to reference him concerning the destruction of Jerusalem. He tells of 7 signs that happened before the DoJ:

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

6. "At the subsequent feast of Pentecost, while the priests were going, by night, into the inner, temple to perform their customary ministrations, they first felt, as they said, a shaking, accompanied by an indistinct murmuring, and afterwards voices as of a multitude, saying, in a distinct and earnest manner, "LET US DEPART HENCE."
This gradation will remind the reader of that awful transaction, which the feast of Pentecost *as principally instituted to commemorate.

First, a shaking was heard ; this would naturally induce the priests to listen : an unintelligible murmur succeeds; this would more powerfully arrest their attention, and while it was thus awakened arid fixed, they heard, says Josephus, the voices as of a multitude, distinctly pronouncing the words "LET US DEPART HENCE." --
And accordingly, before the period for celebrating this feast returned, the Jewish war had commenced, and in the space of three years afterwards, Jerusalem was surrounded by the Roman army, the temple converted into a citadel, and its sacred courts streaming with the blood of human victims.

7. As the last and most fearful omen, Josephus relates that one Jesus, the son of Ananus, a rustic of the lower class, during the Feast of Tabernacles, suddenly exclaimed in the temple, "A voice from the east a voice from the west -- a voice from the four winds- a voice against Jerusalem and the temple -- a voice against bridegrooms and brides -- a voice against the whole people !"
These words he incessantly proclaimed aloud both day and night, through all the streets of Jerusalem, for seven years and five months together, commencing at a time (A. D. 62).....................................................
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The 1st century AD Christians perceived the siege of Jerusalem as the fulfillment of the Olivet Discourse prophesy regarding the AoD necessitating fleeing from Jerusalem.

If so, the AoD of the OD = Daniel = Revelation = 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem by Titus & Vespasian, as if physically embodying Apollyon / Abaddon.

Babylon --> Jerusalem, Beast of the Sea --> pagan Roman empire, Rev 19 --> Constantine + Council of "Victory" Nicea, Millennium --> Christian Byzantine empire, "little time" mikros chronos of Rev 20:3 --> 15th century AD to present... Y-year, M-month, D-day, H-hour of Judgement Day Biblically imminent

Erik Nelson said:

The 1st century AD Christians perceived the siege of Jerusalem as the fulfillment of the Olivet Discourse prophesy regarding the AoD necessitating fleeing from Jerusalem.

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Fleeing to the mountains being the diaspora (mountains being symbolically kingdoms so they fled out into the kingdoms of the world)?

According to the NIV Cultural Backgrounds Study Bible, the two witnesses (Revelation 11:3) are Moses & Elijah, who also withheld rain for exactly 1260 days = 3.5 x 360 day Jewish years (Luke 4:25).

Think it's also well known, that "Moses & Elijah", in turn, symbolize the Law and Prophets (Penteteuch + Prophets) = Torah, which prophesied the events of the 1st century AD, from Crucifixion to destruction of Jerusalem, with 100.000% accuracy, over a terrestrial time span of >1000 years (e.g. Psalms of David from ~1000 BC spoke accurately of the Messiah).

Inkfingers said:

Fleeing to the mountains being the diaspora (mountains being symbolically kingdoms so they fled out into the kingdoms of the world)?

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well, the Jewish diaspora in the centuries before Christ perhaps appears to foreshadow the flight of Christians from Jerusalem to Pella

TribulationSigns said:

My position is that the "he" of Daniel 9:27 is Jesus Christ Himself. He was cut off for His people, Israel. Not to be confused with national Israel, but Covenant Israel which make up of all of His chosen Elects from Old and New Testament. He has confirmed a covenant with many (not everyone on earth) for one week. So after the Cross, the church represents God's kingdom under this new covenant which spans from the Cross to the Second Coming which is the Consummation of the week. This is known as New Covenant Week.

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How can Jesus be cutoff from Christians before Christians existed?

TribulationSigns said:

You may wonder if Jesus Christ was the one who has confirmed a covenant, then the verse 27 shows that he also is the one who will have caused the sacrifice and the obligation to cease. What sacrifice is this? Didn't you realize that Jesus Christ is our high priest fulfilled Daniel 9:24 "to make reconciliation for iniquity?"

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The 70 weeks to be fullfilled in the future, following Gog/Magog. This is Jesus speaking in Ezekiel 39 (spiritually discerned) , 7 years after Gog/Magog, and after Israel receives him as the messiah during the great tribulation...

Ezekiel 39:
21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

Matthew 24:31
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

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The church is on a different track - the rapture to heaven. Before the Day of the Lord and before the great tribulation.

LittleLambofJesus said:

Where in Revelation is shown the AoD mentioned in Daniel, Matthew and Mark?
Any help on this would be appreciated. Thanks

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The 4th century AD Christian historian, Eusebius of Caesarea, had mentioned about the AoD(Abomination of Desolation) event in his books. ...
https://books.google.com.my/books?i...aesarea & "abomination of desolation"&f=false
IIRC, he referred to the AoD as the statue of the Roman Emperor that was set up in the middle of the Holy Temple of God in Jerusalem and Jews and Jewish Christians were required to worship the statue on penalty of death for refusal. How come.?

After the Jews got rid of Jesus the Christ/Messiah because He did not gift them back their kingdom of earth(= Judah/Israel) by militarily defeating the foreign Roman rulers(JOHN.6:15), the Jews raised up false messiahs/christs(MATTHEW.24:24) to lead them into armed rebellion against the Romans(LUKE.21:20) = the Jewish-Roman Wars.

To counter the Jewish rebellion, the Roman Emperor issued a decree requiring the Jews to pledge allegiance to him by worshipping his statue which he set up in the Holy Temple of God. Most of the Jews hypocritically submitted in order to escape the death penalty. Unfortunately, some Jewish Christians refused and were martyred. Those Jewish Christians who heeded the warning of Christ at LUKE.21:20 were "saved" by fleeing Judea.
....... IIRC, James the Just and his Judaizers remained in Jerusalem/Judea and were supportive of the Jewish rebels.

The Jewish-Roman Wars culminated in the desolation of Jerusalem/Judea and the destruction of the Holy Temple of God in 70AD. Thereafter, no Jews were allowed to live in Judea = became Palestine/Philistine.

So, the AoD was an event that had been prophesied by Jesus Christ in the New Testament and has already come to pass in 1st century AD.
....... Hence, it is not mentioned in the prophesies of REVELATION which mostly talks about the coming persecution/prosecution against believers(eg the mark-of-the-beast event) just before the 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ to earth, the resurrection/rapture of believers, the Great Tribulation period for unbelievers, the Millennium years for believers on a new earth, Judgment Day and finally the kingdom of heaven/God.

Douggg said:

How can Jesus be cutoff from Christians before Christians existed?

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Please! Please READ the Scripture carefully!

Jesus was not cut off for Himself. He was not cut off for the ethnic Jews only. And He was not cut off for the Gentile Christians only. He was cut off FOR HIS PEOPLE, called "Israel" making up of all chosen Elects from the Old and New Testament before the foundation of the world! Together, they are called Covenant Israel that Daniel said is His People! The holy city is not a physical city of Jerusalem in the Middle East, but the Jerusalem which is above, and is MOTHER of us all! She is the one whom Christ has confirmed a covenant with! Selah!


THIS Jerusalem from ABOVE "is" a Holy City that Daniel wrote about that God has a covenant with! Noah, King David, Peter, Apostle Paul, myself, etc. all are part of! MANY of us are Daniel's people! Not everyone in the world. Please compare these verses:



So yes, I, as a Gentile Born Again Christian, am a spiritual Jew is one of Daniel's people... IN CHRIST whom He died for!

Selah!

Douggg said:

The 70 weeks to be fullfilled in the future

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Incorrect! The 7 weeks and 62 weeks were already fulfilled by the Cross. The final week, which was confirmed by Christ with His blood, already started at the Cross. This final week however spans from the Cross to the Second Coming, INCLUDING the battle of Gog and Magog right prior to Second Coming if you know who they are!

This is Jesus speaking in Ezekiel 39 (spiritually discerned) , 7 years after Gog/Magog, and after Israel receives him as the messiah during the great tribulation...

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The final week of Daniel 70 weeks will not be understood as 7 literal years. And you got wrong Israel, my friend!

The church is on a different track - the rapture to heaven. Before the Day of the Lord and before the great tribulation.

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Sorry to disappoint you, the church "IS NOW" representing God's Kingdom on earth where Christ is a chief cornerstone of this spiritual building. The rapture of the Elect will only occur at the last trump, on the last day of mankind! Not before your theory of so-called 7 years great tribulation.