Is there a Second Coming in the New Testament?

The "Second Coming" Doctrine is important.
It matters because Jesus the God-Man PROMISED to return!

The Second Coming is a central theme in the "WE BELIEVES"...of the Apostles / Nicene Creeds.

It is primarily described in Revelation 19:11-16; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3; Matthew 24: 29-31; 1 Thess. 4

PRECIOUS PROMISES:

John 14...Jesus' promises to his followers...The Upper Room Discourse....Jesus Comforts His Disciples
1 "Do not let your hearts be troubled.
Trust in God; trust also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you.
I am going there to prepare a place for you. (lots of room in heaven for believers!!)
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will COME BACK (Second Coming!)
and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
4 You know the way to the place where I am going." (Jesus ....the Way to the Father)

Matthew 16:27 (NASB)...Jesus: Discipleship Is Costly
(PROPHECY)
For the Son of Man is going to come (AGAIN!)
in the glory of His Father with His angels, and
WILL THEN REPAY EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS.

Matthew 24: 42,44...Jesus promises to His Followers:
..."keep watch"...So you also must be "ready", because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

Acts 1: 6-11...Angels' prophecy at The "Ascension"
9 After he said this, he was TAKEN UP before their very eyes, and a CLOUD hid him from their sight.
10 They were looking intently up into the SKY as he was going,
when suddenly two men dressed in white (angels) stood beside them.
11 "Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the SKY?
This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into HEAVEN,
will COME BACK in the same way you have (just) seen him go into HEAVEN."

1 Thessalonians 3:...in holiness before our God and Father at the (Second) coming of our Lord Jesus with all His saints.

2 Thessalonians 1:7
and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well.
This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels.

The Rapture (rapturo=the snatching) is defined as that moment when Jesus the Christ returns from Heaven to remove the "Church" / His "Bride" / All Believers, dead ..then living... in Christ/ from Planet Earth. God the Holy Spirit will no longer restrain the end times / "the day of the LORD".
Believers who have died will have their bodies resurrected and, along with believers who are still living, will meet the Lord in the air.
This will all occur in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye.

The Rapture doctrine arises from interpretations of primarily 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-54.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 (NASB) ....RETURN RESURRECTION RAPTURE REUNION
13 But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep (DIED),
so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep IN Jesus.
15 For this we say to you by "the word of the Lord",
that we who are alive and remain until the "(Second) coming of the Lord", will not precede those who have fallen asleep.(dead)
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God,
and the dead in Christ will rise first.
17 Then we (believers) who are alive and remain will be "caught up" (rapturo)
together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air (heavens?),
and so we shall always be with the Lord.
18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

1 Corinthians 15:52
in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound,
and the dead will be raised imperishable,
and we will be changed.(spirit bodies)
44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
49 Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.

The "Second Coming PROCESS" BEGINS at "end" of the Rapture EVENT!

God the Holy Spirit is removed. 2 Thessalonians 2: 1-8 (NASB) ''Man of Lawlessness"

To the Church in Philadelphia:
Revelations 3:10...
10....I will also keep you from the hour of trial (tribulation!) that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth. 11 I am coming soon.

1 Thessalonians 1:10
10 and to wait for his Son from heaven,
whom he raised from the dead—Jesus,
who rescues us from the coming wrath...

The "Man of Lawlessness" appears BEFORE the Rapture
2 Thessalonians 2

Possible Time Line BUILT on >>>> Matthew 24:

1. Begin the birth of the "Church Age" of Grace...Pentecost...Acts 1 + 2

2. Jesus promises to be with us in Spirit until the "end of the age" Matthew 28 end

...ascends/descends from the Mount of Olives...Matt 20:20; Zechariah 14:4; Acts 1:11

3. Pre-Tribulation "Birth Pangs"...NOW!...Matthew 24: 4-8

4. Begin TRIBULATION...first 3.5 years of Daniel's 7 years (Chapters 11-12)

...rise of the anti-christ + REBUILD the TEMPLE! = his appearance in that TEMPLE...Matthew 24:9-20,22

...WHEN "TRIBULATION" begins? TIME Unknown!...Only the FATHER! Matt. 24:36

5. Rapture and Second Coming...finally to a throne in Jerusalem as King of Kings . Revelation 19:11-20; 1 Thess. 4; 1 Corinthians 15:52

6. Begin GREAT TRIBULATION...Last 3.5 years of Daniel's 7 years...leading up to Armageddon...Matthew 24:21-27

7. Begin the Millenium Reign...Satan Bound...Revelation 20; 20:6...Jesus wins!

8. Planet Earth and wicked unsaved inhabitants destroyed by fire. " the Day of the LORD" : 2 Peter 3

9. New Heavens + New Earth + New Jerusalem = eternal spiritual realm...Revelation 21

Duvduv said:

Although the epistles are unambiguous about the expectation of a second coming as a doctrine, it is rather ambiguous in the synoptic gospels. Jesus refers to the Son of Man in the third person, as if it wasn't him. In other words, it seems as if the New Testament wove together different strands of interpretation of who Jesus was and when. Indeed, in Matthew he comes across as nothing more than a Jewish holy man. And he doesn't address accomplishing any of the traditional Jewish expectations of the arrival of the messiah at that time. Even in the gospel of John, it is not exactly clear what a second coming is supposed to be, i.e. in John chapter 14. So in a way it seems that the creators of the New Testament wove together different views, 1) Synoptic gospels; 2) Gospel of John; 3) Epistles; 4) Revelation. But universal Christian doctrine assumes a second coming, as if it were unambiguously established in a single image in the texts, but it isn't true.

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Seek Yahweh while He MaY Be Found. It will be too late one day.

Yahweh grants understanding and wisdom as He Pleases. It is His Good Pleasure To Do as He Does/ Chooses To Do.

He will not give any rebuke for asking Him for wisdom - He Says So. He Says no one who seeks Him will be (or ever has been) disappointed by Him.

Duvduv said:

Although the epistles are unambiguous about the expectation of a second coming as a doctrine, it is rather ambiguous in the synoptic gospels. Jesus refers to the Son of Man in the third person, as if it wasn't him. In other words, it seems as if the New Testament wove together different strands of interpretation of who Jesus was and when. Indeed, in Matthew he comes across as nothing more than a Jewish holy man. And he doesn't address accomplishing any of the traditional Jewish expectations of the arrival of the messiah at that time. Even in the gospel of John, it is not exactly clear what a second coming is supposed to be, i.e. in John chapter 14. So in a way it seems that the creators of the New Testament wove together different views, 1) Synoptic gospels; 2) Gospel of John; 3) Epistles; 4) Revelation. But universal Christian doctrine assumes a second coming, as if it were unambiguously established in a single image in the texts, but it isn't true.

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The epistles actually do not mention a *second* coming. They don't use language like "come back", "return", or "second coming". The occasional use of words like "reveal" indicate a first coming, or the actual arrival. Absolutely nothing in the epistles indicates a second coming.

Jesus: THE ONLY "Son of Man"...the perfect prophet

the Son...Greek 5207...huios...
C.used by Christ himself, doubtless in order that he might intimate his Messiahship
and also that he might designate himself as the head of the human family, the man,
the one who both furnished the pattern of the perfect man and acted on behalf of all mankind.
Christ seems to have preferred this to the other Messianic titles,
because by its lowliness, it was least suited to foster the expectation of an earthly Messiah in royal splendour.

of God...Greek 2316...theos...
D.those who revere God as their father, the pious worshippers of God, those who in character and life resemble God, those who are governed by the Spirit of God, repose the same calm and joyful trust in God which children do in their parents (Rom. 8:14, Gal. 3:26 ), and hereafter in the blessedness and glory of the life eternal will openly wear this dignity of the sons of God.
Term used preeminently of Jesus Christ, as enjoying the supreme love of God, united to him in affectionate intimacy, privy to his saving councils, obedient to the Father's will in all his acts.

Matthew 26:63-66
But Jesus kept silent.
And the high priest (Caiaphas) said to Him,
“I adjure You by the living God, that You tell us whether You are the Christ, the "Son of God".”
64 Jesus said to him,
“You have said it yourself; (I agree!) nevertheless I tell you,
hereafter you will see the "Son of Man" sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
65 Then the high priest tore his robes and said, “He has blasphemed! (Jesus claimed Deity)
What further need do we have of witnesses?
Behold, you have now heard the blasphemy;
66 what do you think?” They answered, “He deserves death!”

Jesus had a DUAL NATURE:
1. "Son of Man"...the sinless New Adam..prophet, preacher, teacher, miracle worker, etc
2. "Son of God...the Divine Messiah, the Christ...come/sent down from heaven to save Man

"Son of Man" ...Jesus' favorite spiritual name for Himself?...used the most!

Matthew 9:6
But so that you may know that the "Son of Man" has authority on earth to forgive sins”
—then He said to the paralytic,
“Get up, pick up your bed and go home.”

Matthew 12:8
...For the "Son of Man" is Lord of the Sabbath.”

Matthew 12:32
Whoever speaks a word against the "Son of Man", it shall be forgiven him;
but whoever speaks against (God) the Holy Spirit,
it shall not be forgiven him,
either in this age or in the age to come.

Matthew 18:11
[For the "Son of Man" has come to save that which was lost.]

Matthew 20:28
just as the "Son of Man" did not come to be served, but to serve,
and to give His life a ransom for many.”

Matthew 16:13 [ Peter’s Confession of Christ ]
Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi,
He was asking His disciples,
“Who do people say that the "Son of Man" is?”

My answer: He Was The Divine Messiah, The Christ...come/sent down from heaven
True Man..True Deity...Jesus the God-Man.

John 4:23-24
But an hour is coming, and now is,
when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth;
for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers.
God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Man's worship of God is part of the 1st Commandment: "Love God..."

... the Jesus of Matthew and even Mark is really nothing beyond a usual Jewish holy man...

False:
Jesus claimed and proved His Deity and Divinity.

Matthew 24:35
"Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away...

Matthew 16:16
Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

Matthew 26:63
But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest said to Him, “I adjure You by the living God, that You tell us whether You are the Christ, the Son of God.”

Matthew 24:35
"Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away...

Mark 1...Jesus Preaches in Galilee
14 Now after John had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching "the gospel of God", 15 and saying,
a. “The (prophecy) time is fulfilled, and
b. the "kingdom of God " (Jesus) is at hand;
c repent and believe in the gospel.(of God)”

Duvduv said:

I am talking about textual issues, and you guys keep throwing back theology. It's rather boring.

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When Yahshua HaMashiach King of the Jews Savior Messiah
returns to the earth soon
to rule with very inflexible rod of iron all the nations
(after everyone in the world sees Him return, btw, like lightning from east to west ; so EVERYONE will know! (even you) )

it won't be boring any more, for those people who are alive on earth.

Duvduv said:

I wouldn't hold my breath. There is no evidence for the existence of Jesus or Paul in the first century. Jesus was modeled by the Scriptorium of Eusebius from Jewish traditions about Yeshu ben Pandera from a century earlier, whose mother was Miriam.

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You have presented the best evidence (here in your testimony)
than there is that anyone has so far today
that the devil through various agencies, humans, and other means
has completely fed you totally false (and destructive to faith in Yahweh) information.
Since the enemy of Yahshua HaMashiach always does this, it is no surprise - he has deceived almost all the people of earth.

Duvduv said:

You mean because I made a factual statement? If you cannot deal with facts, at least admit it.

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Yahweh calls your facts which lead you and others away from Him false knowledge, and warns you all not to cause others to stumble any more.

Duvduv said:

Although the epistles are unambiguous about the expectation of a second coming as a doctrine, it is rather ambiguous in the synoptic gospels. Jesus refers to the Son of Man in the third person, as if it wasn't him. In other words, it seems as if the New Testament wove together different strands of interpretation of who Jesus was and when. Indeed, in Matthew he comes across as nothing more than a Jewish holy man. And he doesn't address accomplishing any of the traditional Jewish expectations of the arrival of the messiah at that time. Even in the gospel of John, it is not exactly clear what a second coming is supposed to be, i.e. in John chapter 14. So in a way it seems that the creators of the New Testament wove together different views, 1) Synoptic gospels; 2) Gospel of John; 3) Epistles; 4) Revelation. But universal Christian doctrine assumes a second coming, as if it were unambiguously established in a single image in the texts, but it isn't true.

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Hi Duvduv, I have also found that there is an existence of the expression "sons of men" in the old testament that does not necessarily equate to "Messiah" (look at Psalms 45:3, showing there is a number of "sons of men" - apparently having different glory, Psalms 62:10 shows that they are somewhat elusive). I'd be interested to know what you have found about a traditional Jewish view of that expression, especially as the context it would have meant to the prophets in the days of King David.

Also, it is interesting when you study what is spoken in Matthew 16:13-16, showing that the time that Jesus was teaching His disciples, there was great confusion around this issue - they thought that the son of man was a single person, and some thought it was Elijah, others thought it was Jeremiah or John the Baptist. But Jesus doesn't necessarily say that He is that one: He said "now who do you say that I am?" - and to this, St Peter takes a leap of faith to confess that he believed Jesus to be Messiah. I find this to be quite an interesting observation. I'd like to see what your thoughts are.

Serving Zion said:

Hi Duvduv, I have also found that there is an existence of the expression "sons of men" in the old testament that does not necessarily equate to "Messiah" (look at Psalms 45:3, showing there is a number of "sons of men" - apparently having different glory, Psalms 62:10 shows that they are somewhat elusive).
I'd be interested to know what you have found about a traditional Jewish view of that expression, especially as the context it would have meant to the prophets in the days of King David..........................

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Good post.
Not sure if anyone has brought this up, but the Christian book of Revelation mentions both "Son of Man" and "Son of God" in it

Revelation 1:13
and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man,
clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band.

Revelation 2:18 [Has the Jezebel spirit and longest mssg from Jesus]
“And to the Messenger of the church in Thyatira write!
These things says the Son of God, Who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet like fine brass:

To me, this looks like the 2nd coming in wrath......Harvest time

Revelation 14:14
Then I looked, and behold! a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man,
having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle.

Good study on that here:

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...st-four-churches.8064465/page-3#post-72861647

18‘And to the messenger of the assembly of Thyatira write: These things saith the Son of God, who is having his eyes as a flame of fire, and his feet like to fine brass;

19I have known thy works, and love, and ministration, and faith, and thy endurance, and thy works — and the last [are] more than the first. 20‘But I have against thee a few things: That thou dost suffer the woman Jezebel, who is calling herself a prophetess, to teach, and to lead astray, my servants to commit whoredom, and idol-sacrifices to eat; 21and I did give to her a time that she might reform from her whoredom, and she did not reform; 22lo, I will cast her into a couch, and those committing adultery with her into great tribulation — if they may not repent of their works, 23and her children I will kill in death, and know shall all the assemblies that I am he who is searching reins and hearts; and I will give to you — to each — according to your works. 24‘And to you I say, and to the rest who are in Thyatira, as many as have not this teaching, and who did not know the depths of the Adversary, as they say; I will not put upon you other burden; 25but that which ye have — hold ye, till I may come; 26and he who is overcoming, and who is keeping unto the end my works, I will give to him authority over the nations, 27and he shall rule them with a rod of iron — as the vessels of the potter they shall be broken — as I also have received from my Father; 28and I will give to him the morning star. 29He who is having an ear — let him hear what the Spirit saith to the assemblies.

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Serving Zion said:

Hi Duvduv, I have also found that there is an existence of the expression "sons of men" in the old testament that does not necessarily equate to "Messiah" (look at Psalms 45:3, showing there is a number of "sons of men" - apparently having different glory, Psalms 62:10 shows that they are somewhat elusive). I'd be interested to know what you have found about a traditional Jewish view of that expression, especially as the context it would have meant to the prophets in the days of King David.

Also, it is interesting when you study what is spoken in Matthew 16:13-16, showing that the time that Jesus was teaching His disciples, there was great confusion around this issue - they thought that the son of man was a single person, and some thought it was Elijah, others thought it was Jeremiah or John the Baptist. But Jesus doesn't necessarily say that He is that one: He said "now who do you say that I am?" - and to this, St Peter takes a leap of faith to confess that he believed Jesus to be Messiah. I find this to be quite an interesting observation. I'd like to see what your thoughts are.

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Why Did Jesus Call Himself the Son of Man? - Blue Letter Bible
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_793.cfm
Jesus' favorite designation, in referring to Himself, was the "Son of Man." The Gospels record some seventy-eight times that Jesus used this title for Himself.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Why Did Jesus Call Himself the Son of Man? - Blue Letter Bible
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_793.cfm
Jesus' favorite designation, in referring to Himself, was the "Son of Man." The Gospels record some seventy-eight times that Jesus used this title for Himself.

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Thank you for that link. It doesn't really get into the issue that I brought to light though, it's rather more reflective of a common teaching in Christianity, that I have shown is somewhat lacking.

Serving Zion said:

Thank you for that link. It doesn't really get into the issue that I brought to light though, it's rather more reflective of a common teaching in Christianity, that I have shown is somewhat lacking.

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I don't know what you are referring to. There are a lot of common teachings accepted by many people that are outright false all around the world.