Are the so-called "safe houses" refuges for sin, encouraging sin?

yeshuaslavejeff · Jul 6, 2018

If someone thinks or agrees that sin is okay, and repentance is not needed,
can they be saved ?

If someone causes others to stumble by getting them to think that way,
what will they face on judgment day ?

Sam91 · Jul 6, 2018

yeshuaslavejeff said:
If someone thinks or agrees that sin is okay, and repentance is not needed,
can they be saved ?

If someone causes others to stumble by getting them to think that way,
what will they face on judgment day ?

Are you talking about refuges for domestic violence victims?

Psalms 72:12-14
Jeremiah 22:3
Isaiah 1:17

If so:
Do you not know that people's lives are in danger?

I do not think a women fleeing her husband is a sin. What is a sin is to condone his sin and hiding the beatings. There is nothing valiant in that. Children seeing their dad's sin allows tgem to grow up more likely to be damaged and abuse themselves.

If a master beat a slave they were compensated and let free. How about the free woman/wife?

Galatians 6 says you reap what you sow. It also says elsewhere that we should submit to the authorities placed to protect us and obey the laws. Assault is a crime.

On top of that children are taken out of families where domestic violence happens. So a woman should stay while the government takes the children? Children and the wife punished for the husbands sin?

keyman · Jul 6, 2018

Sam91 said:
Are you talking about refuges for domestic violence victims?

I am fairly certain he is referring to "Eternal security" as a "Safe house".
I base that on how many times he and others have stated there belief that eternal security is a license to sin because those of us who do believe in eternal security say that God doesn't judge believers in Him for there sin. Psalms 103:10-12

Sam91 · Jul 6, 2018

keyman said:
I am fairly certain he is referring to "Eternal security" as a "Safe house".
I base that on how many times he and others have stated there belief that eternal security is a license to sin because those of us who do believe in eternal security say that God doesn't judge believers in Him for there sin. Psalms 103:10-12

Maybe @yeshuaslavejeff clarifying will help. We both think he us talking of differing subjects. However, you are probably correct. I will stop searching for scripture about injustice and oppression until I know if it is needed.

RDKirk · Jul 6, 2018

yeshuaslavejeff said:
If someone thinks or agrees that sin is okay, and repentance is not needed,
can they be saved ?

If someone causes others to stumble by getting them to think that way,
what will they face on judgment day ?

Your OP seems to propose something different from your topic title.

Kevin Snow · Jul 6, 2018

No they can't be saved for without repentance there is no salvation.

The people who preach that repentance is unnecessary and lead others into thinking that way will not be saved and neither will the people who think that way.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jul 6, 2018

All possibly good answers, thank you -
but if they are still seen in the forum, I was wondering if the "safe houses" (used in the title) ,

say for bad example "safe house for greedy people" as a thread title
with the OP saying IF YOU AGREE that greed is acceptable and okay then you can post here.....

I don't understand if those that I saw (and posted in some but they did not welcome correction of naming of already proven heresies which oppose Scripture) .....
were "official" threads (like the various specific sections in the forum that are designated officially by the admins or mods or rules , like for different denominations)
if the "safe house" idea was an official site rule protected thread (i.e. if you disagree do not post here) thus protecting the sinners from having to face any kind of exposure to true Biblical study, teaching or correction. (which by the very definition of the OP in the "safe house" they did not want ) ....

See? Are the "safe houses" that appeared on the forum today (or earlier)
official christianforum-site protected/ isolated threads that we cannot post in,
or
was that just some poster's idea to try to make a place where sin could be(as it was in the examples I saw and read) promoted without any obstacles ?

yeshuaslavejeff · Jul 6, 2018

Sam91 said:
Are you talking about refuges for domestic violence victims?

Psalms 72:12-14
Jeremiah 22:3
Isaiah 1:17

If so:
Do you not know that people's lives are in danger?

I do not think a women fleeing her husband is a sin. What is a sin is to condone his sin and hiding the beatings. There is nothing valiant in that. Children seeing their dad's sin allows tgem to grow up more likely to be damaged and abuse themselves.

If a master beat a slave they were compensated and let free. How about the free woman/wife?

Galatians 6 says you reap what you sow. It also says elsewhere that we should submit to the authorities placed to protect us and obey the laws. Assault is a crime.

On top of that children are taken out of families where domestic violence happens. So a woman should stay while the government takes the children? Children and the wife punished for the husbands sin?

Thank you no - I was not thinking of anything related to all you have covered.

The "victims" in the so-called 'safe-houses' thread(s) I saw earlier today on the forum were the ones who believed they could sin and not worry about that - rather be encouraged in their sin.

At least that is what it looked like to me from the OP in those thread(s),
which said something like "if you don't agree with us don't post here" .........

Sam91 · Jul 6, 2018

yeshuaslavejeff said:
All possibly good answers, thank you -
but if they are still seen in the forum, I was wondering if the "safe houses" (used in the title) ,

say for bad example "safe house for greedy people" as a thread title
with the OP saying IF YOU AGREE that greed is acceptable and okay then you can post here.....

I don't understand if those that I saw (and posted in some but they did not welcome correction of naming of already proven heresies which oppose Scripture) .....
were "official" threads (like the various specific sections in the forum that are designated officially by the admins or mods or rules , like for different denominations)
if the "safe house" idea was an official site rule protected thread (i.e. if you disagree do not post here) thus protecting the sinners from having to face any kind of exposure to true Biblical study, teaching or correction. (which by the very definition of the OP in the "safe house" they did not want ) ....

See? Are the "safe houses" that appeared on the forum today (or earlier)
official christianforum-site protected/ isolated threads that we cannot post in,
or
was that just some poster's idea to try to make a place where sin could be(as it was in the examples I saw and read) promoted without any obstacles ?

It looks like we were all wrong. I haven't seen these threads.

Maybe the people creating them are worn down and can not cope with much more stress, hurt and don't feel up to a debate.

I think that as Christians we need to be careful if we post to not validate the sin. Maybe pray for wisdom before posting and point them to the Lord without criticism. Pray for them also.

I agree that if it is unbiblical that it is a worrying thing. However, we all sin, even when we do not know it. I find that pride is the deceptive sin for me. Sometimes it is only when judging someone elses errors that we realise that the holier than thou attitude has risen in the heart. I'm rambling.

It is a tough question.

Sam91 · Jul 6, 2018

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Thank you no - I was not thinking of anything related to all you have covered.

The "victims" in the so-called 'safe-houses' thread(s) I saw earlier today on the forum were the ones who believed they could sin and not worry about that - rather be encouraged in their sin.

At least that is what it looked like to me from the OP in those thread(s),
which said something like "if you don't agree with us don't post here" .........

Oh good. I was shocked at how hardhearted you had gotten! Glad to know that I was mistaken. I am sorry for my hidden thoughts. God bless you brother.

LittleLambofJesus · Jul 6, 2018

yeshuaslavejeff said:
If someone thinks or agrees that sin is okay, and repentance is not needed,
can they be saved ?

If someone causes others to stumble by getting them to think that way,
what will they face on judgment day ?

What the heck does that have to with the "safe house" threads. Are you implying they are all sinners or condone sin?

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Thank you no - I was not thinking of anything related to all you have covered.

The "victims" in the so-called 'safe-houses' thread(s) I saw earlier today on the forum were the ones who believed they could sin and not worry about that - rather be encouraged in their sin.

At least that is what it looked like to me from the OP in those thread(s),
which said something like "if you don't agree with us don't post here" .........

Why not just start a "sin free safe house only" thread if it concerns you that much.
I am guessing these are the "safe house" threads you are referring to?
[there could be more......]

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/post-tribulation-rapture-believers-safe-house.7551142/

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...st-trib-rapture-believers-safe-house.7739028/

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/pre-tribulation-rapture-believers-safe-house.7551106/

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/amillennialism-safe-house.8071393/

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/full-preterist-safe-house.7784643/#post-64413909

Those threads have to do with eschatology, and there are many others with views that are as numerous as "the sands of the sea".
That doesn't mean they all condone sin. That is just plain ludicrous.....
Blessings

Romans 9:27
"Isaiah yet cries-out over the Israel 'if-ever may be the Number of the sons of Israel as the Sand of the Sea, the Remnant shall be being saved'". [Isaiah 10:22,23/Revelation 20:8]

Revelation 20:8
and he shall be coming out to deceive the nations, the in the Four Corners of the Land, the Gog and Magog,
to be together-assembling them into the battle of which the Number of them as the Sand of the Sea.[Ezekiel 7:1-2]

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Are the so-called "safe houses" refuges for sin, encouraging sin?

RDKirk said:
Your OP seems to propose something different from your topic title.

I knew what he was referring to, as he posted on one of my "safe house" threads on the exchatology board........

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Yahweh can save people from the amil deception,
IF He Wants To,
AND
IF they are willing (as Jesus said once over Jerusalem)....

yeshuaslavejeff said: ↑
http://adventist.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/61066/Finney-Power-From-On-High-1-a5.pdf

sin is sin

yeshuaslavejeff · Jul 6, 2018

Sam91 said:
It looks like we were all wrong. I haven't seen these threads.

Maybe the people creating them are worn down and can not cope with much more stress, hurt and don't feel up to a debate.

I think that as Christians we need to be careful if we post to not validate the sin. Maybe pray for wisdom before posting and point them to the Lord without criticism. Pray for them also.

I agree that if it is unbiblical that it is a worrying thing. However, we all sin, even when we do not know it. I find that pride is the deceptive sin for me. Sometimes it is only when judging someone elses errors that we realise that the holier than thou attitude has risen in the heart. I'm rambling.

It is a tough question.

It is not helpful to see those threads, other than that they do exist to promote evil.

Here is a quote that I just copied from one of the 'safe house' threads :
=======================================
yeshuaslavejeff said:
"Yahweh can save people from the amil deception,
IF He Wants To,
AND
IF they are willing (as Jesus said once over Jerusalem).... "
---------------------------------------------------------------------
reply to my post: "As He can with the pre-mill, post-mill, partial preterist views, ....etc."
========================================
In other words, Yahweh CAN save people from all those various deceptions,
but they don't want to allow proof that they are false teachings in the threads (according to their other posts)

It was sheer grace that they admitted here at least they can be saved from them.

p.s. some teachings, that are truth in line with Yahweh's Word, might be found also in those threads and so on, but that is beside the point that those other teachings that are false cannot be exposed (that is they don't want them to be exposed).

SkyWriting · Jul 7, 2018

yeshuaslavejeff said:
If someone thinks or agrees that sin is okay, and repentance is not needed,
can they be saved ?

If someone causes others to stumble by getting them to think that way,
what will they face on judgment day ?

Acts 15:11
On the contrary, we believe it is through the grace of the Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."

Romans 3:24
and are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

Romans 9:16
So then, it does not depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.

Ephesians 2:5
made us alive with Christ, even when we were dead in our trespasses.
It is by grace you have been saved!

Inkfingers · Jul 7, 2018

Safe houses are there to avoid this well-known joke being reality....

Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"

He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"

He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"

Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jul 7, 2018

It is no joke when governments make laws encouraging and promoting sin .
"safe houses" that are designed and/or used to encourage and promote sin are no joke either.

"safe houses are there to" what ? Each in its own context and purpose and how it actually operates.

When properly used in line with God's Word, it is good.
When used in defiance of God's Word, opposed to His Word, it is not good.

Inkfingers · Jul 7, 2018

yeshuaslavejeff said:
It is no joke when governments make laws encouraging and promoting sin .
"safe houses" that are designed and/or used to encourage and promote sin are no joke either.

"safe houses are there to" what ? Each in its own context and purpose and how it actually operates.

When properly used in line with God's Word, it is good.
When used in defiance of God's Word, opposed to His Word, it is not good.

There's plenty of space to challenge Amillennialism on this forum, but each group also get areas where they can speak to like-minded folks. With 23,000+ posts you must know this Jeff.

yeshuaslavejeff · Jul 7, 2018

Inkfingers said:
There's plenty of space to challenge Amillennialism on this forum, but each group also get areas where they can speak to like-minded folks. With 23,000+ posts you must know this Jeff.

This is true in the whole world not just on forum.

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