Should Patriotism and National Pride Be Part of Church?

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Brother .we actually have many scriptural admonitions against what we have done for over two hundered years ...Paul warned us ..If any man cause divisions contrary to the doctrines that you have received from me , mark that man and avoid him for he does not serve the Lord Jesus Christ but his own belly ...This would be men like Thomas Paine , Thomas Jefferson , who railed against the King Of England ..read the declaration , Patrick Henry ..Give me liberty or give me death ... All you do in word or deed , do in the name of Jesus Christ ..(not country nor for the sake of liberty, nor to fight communism or any of the other marketing campaigns pitched to us in order to deceive .
Lastly , we are told not to be unequally yoked together with unbelievers ( which is NOT written in the context of marriage although most people are not familiar enough with the bible to understand this .) To get a truthful answer we must ask questions ....is this not a country of believers and unbelievers yoked and united together under a common flag ? Those who hate Christ with those who love him ? What is the truth ? This country, I believe,, is about itself ..not Jesus Christ . Patriotism in the living body of Jesus Christ ? Which joint ?

The church has done this to herself! Why we had divisions of doctrine ling before the founders of this nation. We are having divisions right now in the Christian Forms over doctrines. So the church is far more guilty of this that any non believer is.

This country is guilty of many sins. The people of this country are guilty right now. We are to be the light that shines in darkness. And we are, but the darkness hates us for it just like Jesus said.

Yet for all it's guilt the people of this country have done amazing things to overcome it's guilt. We died and bled to free the slaves. We passed civil rights laws. We have given our blood to save the world from Tyranny. Our people are the most giving people of the world. We give Billions to foreign aid. Our people travel the world to help others. We build hospitals and creat medicines. We invented so many things that help mankind. I am glad I belong to a country that has done those things.

At the same time I weep for our country as I see the sin of abortion, the sexual immorality, the drug use, the deaths on our school grounds and in our cities. I see the rise of homosexuality and the waste of money.

We are United with unbelievers every single day. We walk with them we talk with them, we work with them in unity under a common employer. That is no different than united under a common flag. Do you demand we cast off our employer and only unite under Christian employers? No of course not.

Unequally yoked does mean we can't ever be united with unbelievers under any circumstances. We have plenty of unbelievers who are pro life. Do we stay away from them? No we don't.
 
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The church has done this to herself! Why we had divisions of doctrine ling before the founders of this nation. We are having divisions right now in the Christian Forms over doctrines. So the church is far more guilty of this that any non believer is.

This country is guilty of many sins. The people of this country are guilty right now. We are to be the light that shines in darkness. And we are, but the darkness hates us for it just like Jesus said.

Yet for all it's guilt the people of this country have done amazing things to overcome it's guilt. We died and bled to free the slaves. We passed civil rights laws. We have given our blood to save the world from Tyranny. Our people are the most giving people of the world. We give Billions to foreign aid. Our people travel the world to help others. We build hospitals and creat medicines. We invented so many things that help mankind. I am glad I belong to a country that has done those things.

At the same time I weep for our country as I see the sin of abortion, the sexual immorality, the drug use, the deaths on our school grounds and in our cities. I see the rise of homosexuality and the waste of money.

We are United with unbelievers every single day. We walk with them we talk with them, we work with them in unity under a common employer. That is no different than united under a common flag. Do you demand we cast off our employer and only unite under Christian employers? No of course not.

Unequally yoked does mean we can't ever be united with unbelievers under any circumstances. We have plenty of unbelievers who are pro life. Do we stay away from them? No we don't.

Amen rjs330.

A very blessed 4th of July and Independence Day to you and your family and household.
 
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God surely shed His grace on this country, and on us.

God bless America!

A very blessed July 4th, Independence Day. May we never forget those who gave their lives to make this Independence Day possible.

I’m afraid He’s shed MORE grace on other nations but that doesn’t matter does it?
 
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You didn't closely read what I said. which was this:
The primary one was the European migrants to north America came from the very first people in the history of mankind where the general public had access to the Bible.
So yes northern Europeans were the first people in history where the general public got access to Bibles. (Despite the fact it was illegal.) Northern Europeans were the migrants to North America.
Here is a little more history I wrote on the subject of America's founding on Biblical priciple and how it came about. In this case the 2nd ammendment.
http://wordservice.org/USA Founding/usa3000.htm
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The Germans had the Bible since Luther and did not come to the US so they could finally read it. The Swiss had the Bible freely available, not illegal, as well. That’s where the Pilgrims Bible was printed. How do you know if the Bible in Ethiopia was illegal? Or places where the Catholics weren’t? They made it illegal, you know.
 
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I’m afraid He’s shed MORE grace on other nations but that doesn’t matter does it?

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Suit yourself.

In the meantime, a blessed 4th of July, our day of remembrance, here in America. May freedom ring, loud and clear.

May God's grace continue to bless this country, and us, the American people. Father may it be so, in the name of Jesus, amen.

God bless America! My home sweet home.

 
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Your questions were not just a strawman,

Strawman means "an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument." I listed three songs known as patriotic songs that are in the ELCA hymnal. I provided the words for each of them. All of them praise God. How is that Strawman? If you make an accusation, as you have done, then you must prove it. Otherwise it just worthless opinion.

but seemed to indicate a lack of loyalty to Yahweh (God) with a distinct preference for worldly views.

Here, again, are the lyrics for three songs I listed:

God bless America
Land that I love
Stand beside her
And guide her
Through the night with the light from above
From the mountains
To the prairies
To the oceans
White with foam
God bless America
My home sweet home


Mine eyes hath seen the glory of the coming of the Lord;
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;
He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword;
His truth is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! His truth is marching on.

I have seen Him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps,
They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps;
I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps:
His day is marching on.
Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah! His day is marching on.

I have read a fiery gospel writ in burnished rows of steel:
"As ye deal with my contemners, so with you my grace shall deal";
Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel,
Since God is marching on.

Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah! Since God is marching on.

He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat;
He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment-seat;
Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him! Be jubilant, my feet!
Our God is marching on.
Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah! Since God is marching on.


Once to ev'ry man and nation
Comes the moment to decide,
In the strife of truth and falsehood,
For the good or evil side;
Some great cause, some great decision,
Off'ring each the bloom or blight,
And the choice goes by forever
'Twixt that darkness and that light.

Then to side with truth is noble,
When we share her wretched crust,
Ere her cause bring fame and profit,
And 'tis prosperous to be just;
Then it is the brave man chooses
While the coward stands aside.
Till the multitude make virtue
Of the faith they had denied.

By the light of burning martyrs,
Christ, Thy bleeding feet we track,
Toiling up new Calv'ries ever
With the cross that turns not back;
New occasions teach new duties,
Ancient values test our youth;
They must upward still and onward,
Who would keep abreast of truth.

Tho' the cause of evil prosper,
Yet the truth alone is strong;
Tho' her portion be the scaffold,
And upon the throne be wrong;
Yet that scaffold sways the future,
And, behind the dim unknown,
Standeth God within the shadow,
Keeping watch above His own.


Now, which of these hymns indicates a lack of loyalty to Yahweh (God) with a distinct preference for worldly views. Please identify the specific lyrics to which you object and explain how they indicate a lack of loyalty to God

Yahweh says not to try to associate with or to mix LIGHT with darkness (carnal / soulish/ worldly views). This could make , rather does make all the difference in what is edifying and what is unbecoming for followers of Jesus.

How is asking God to bless and guide America mixing light and darkness? Please explain. How is singing that our God is marching on mixing light and darkness. Please explain. How is singing that we track the bleeding feet of Christ mixing light and darkness. Please explain.
 
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Perhaps we all need to remember that we are brethren and therefore look out for one another. Not everyone is at the same level of Spiritual maturity either, we ought to be loving and encourage one another in the faith.

I agree we are to look out for one another. However we are NOT to live our lives in rear if offending someone. The scripture is equally against the weaker believer telling the stronger that he/she shouldn't do something that is sinful to them. If it is sin for you to sing God Bless America then you are not to tell me or others we shouldn't do it either. The Bible also tells us not to be easily offended.

The meat offered to idols is the patriotic service. Paul tells us it's wrong to have a patriotic service in front of those who feel it's sinful for them. It's equally as wrong for those who think patriotic services are singular to tell those who don't that they can't have a patriotic service. So what do we do?

I think in this case the thing would be if we KNOW there are people in our church who think patriotic servicessare sinful then we should let everyone in the congregation know ahead of time that we are going to have a patriotic service. Then those who think it's sinful don't have to attend and we wouldn't think any less of them. After all there are how many more Sundays in the year where we are not patriotic? The loving thing to do for the ones thinking it's sin for them would be to allow one service a year for those who wish to have one and believe its not sinful rather than demand ALL services abide by their beliefs.
 
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Strawman means "an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument." I listed three songs known as patriotic songs that are in the ELCA hymnal. I provided the words for each of them. All of them praise God. How is that Strawman? If you make an accusation, as you have done, then you must prove it. Otherwise it just worthless opinion.



Here, again, are the lyrics for three songs I listed:

God bless America
Land that I love
Stand beside her
And guide her
Through the night with the light from above
From the mountains
To the prairies
To the oceans
White with foam
God bless America
My home sweet home


Mine eyes hath seen the glory of the coming of the Lord;
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored;
He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword;
His truth is marching on.
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah! His truth is marching on.

I have seen Him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps,
They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps;
I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps:
His day is marching on.
Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah! His day is marching on.

I have read a fiery gospel writ in burnished rows of steel:
"As ye deal with my contemners, so with you my grace shall deal";
Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel,
Since God is marching on.

Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah! Since God is marching on.

He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat;
He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment-seat;
Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him! Be jubilant, my feet!
Our God is marching on.
Glory, glory, hallelujah! Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah! Since God is marching on.


Once to ev'ry man and nation
Comes the moment to decide,
In the strife of truth and falsehood,
For the good or evil side;
Some great cause, some great decision,
Off'ring each the bloom or blight,
And the choice goes by forever
'Twixt that darkness and that light.

Then to side with truth is noble,
When we share her wretched crust,
Ere her cause bring fame and profit,
And 'tis prosperous to be just;
Then it is the brave man chooses
While the coward stands aside.
Till the multitude make virtue
Of the faith they had denied.

By the light of burning martyrs,
Christ, Thy bleeding feet we track,
Toiling up new Calv'ries ever
With the cross that turns not back;
New occasions teach new duties,
Ancient values test our youth;
They must upward still and onward,
Who would keep abreast of truth.

Tho' the cause of evil prosper,
Yet the truth alone is strong;
Tho' her portion be the scaffold,
And upon the throne be wrong;
Yet that scaffold sways the future,
And, behind the dim unknown,
Standeth God within the shadow,
Keeping watch above His own.


Now, which of these hymns indicates a lack of loyalty to Yahweh (God) with a distinct preference for worldly views. Please identify the specific lyrics to which you object and explain how they indicate a lack of loyalty to God



How is asking God to bless and guide America mixing light and darkness? Please explain. How is singing that our God is marching on mixing light and darkness. Please explain. How is singing that we track the bleeding feet of Christ mixing light and darkness. Please explain.
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POWERFUL lyrics!!!

Amen!!

I just posted one of those songs "Battle Hymn of the Republic".

A blessed and happy July 4th and remembrance day to you, Archivist, and your family and household.

God bless America!!
 
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Some Christians just don't know where their home is.
I totally disagree. We all know where our home is. We just disagree with the idea that it's sinful to be patriotic. And unless you can show me scripture that says otherwise then I'm afraid we'll just have to disagree. You kind of made a look down your nose comment here.
 
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I agree we are to look out for one another. However we are NOT to live our lives in rear if offending someone. The scripture is equally against the weaker believer telling the stronger that he/she shouldn't do something that is sinful to them. If it is sin for you to sing God Bless America then you are not to tell me or others we shouldn't do it either. The Bible also tells us not to be easily offended.

The meat offered to idols is the patriotic service. Paul tells us it's wrong to have a patriotic service in front of those who feel it's sinful for them. It's equally as wrong for those who think patriotic services are singular to tell those who don't that they can't have a patriotic service. So what do we do?

I think in this case the thing would be if we KNOW there are people in our church who think patriotic servicessare sinful then we should let everyone in the congregation know ahead of time that we are going to have a patriotic service. Then those who think it's sinful don't have to attend and we wouldn't think any less of them. After all there are how many more Sundays in the year where we are not patriotic? The loving thing to do for the ones thinking it's sin for them would be to allow one service a year for those who wish to have one and believe its not sinful rather than demand ALL services abide by their beliefs.

Amen.
 
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I totally disagree. We all know where our home is. We just disagree with the idea that it's sinful to be patriotic. And unless you can show me scripture that says otherwise then I'm afraid we'll just have to disagree. You kind of made a look down your nose comment here.

I agree.
 
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Article on founding fathers here

Cite an example that stands out to you of how prayer changed the course of the United States or accomplished a monumental goal.

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There are numerous moments, but I’ll choose the answered prayers attested to by Founding Father Benjamin Franklin. About five weeks into the Constitutional Convention of 1787 when they were attempting to draft the U. S. Constitution, their efforts were a signal failure. As things were beginning to break up and delegates return home to their states, Franklin challenged them and called them to prayer. He told them:

In this situation of this Assembly, groping as it were in the dark to find political truth, and scarce able to distinguish it when presented to us, how has it happened, sir, that we have not hitherto once thought of humbly applying to the Father of Lights to illuminate our understanding? In the beginning of the contest with Great Britain, when we were sensible of danger, we had daily prayer in this room for the Divine protection. Our prayers, sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a superintending Providence in our favor. . . . And have we now forgotten that powerful Friend? Or do we imagine we no longer need His assistance? I have lived, sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth – that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured, sir, in the Sacred Writings, that “except the Lord build the House, they labor in vain that build it.” I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without His concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel. . . . I therefore beg leave to move that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business.

Independence day is Americans day to celebrate our independence from tyranny, and pray for her peoples to turn to God and His ways.
 
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When Yahweh's Word says "hate", He means "hate". We must hate our lives even , in this world, if we want to follow Jesus obediently, faithfully as disciples.

Are the lyrics harmless ? Maybe. Maybe not. Or is it the meaning?
Perhaps a tangent, think on this>
https://theaccidentalmissionary.wor...the-one-things-christians-should-stop-saying/
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"Second, and more importantly, calling myself blessed because of material good fortune is just plain wrong. For starters, it can be offensive to the hundreds of millions of Christians in the world who live on less than $10 per day. You read that right. Hundreds of millions who receive a single-digit dollar “blessing” per day.

During our year in Guatemala, Gabby and I witnessed first-hand the damage done by the theology of prosperity, where faithful people scraping by to feed their families were simply told they must not be faithful enough. If they were, God would pull them out of their nightmare. Just try harder, and God will show favor.

The problem? Nowhere in scripture are we promised worldly ease in return for our pledge of faith. In fact, the most devout saints from the Bible usually died penniless, receiving a one-way ticket to prison or death by torture." ... ... ...

If God chooses to bless us with worldly goods then who are you to say it's wrong? God blessed the saints in the Bible a LOT with worldly goods. God's blessing come in MANY ways and MANY forms. For some it's worldly goods, for others it's good health, for some it may be food for the day. For some it's a roof over their head or shoes for their feet. God gives good things to all his people and they are not all the same. God blesses with worldly goods and we should use that bleissing to give to others.

I do agree with you on the prosperity doctrine. God didn't send his son to make us rich. He sent him to save our souls. The prosperity doctrine claims you should be rich. Hogwash! I despise that doctrine. But I also recognize the blessing of God comes in many ways and for God's own reasons and purpose. To thank God for his blessings of material wealth is just fine and the RIGHT thing to do, for HE gave it to us. Whatever God gives he can also take away should he so desire. That is evident in scripture.
Paul tells us to be thankful. Yes we should hate our lives. How do we hate our lives and be thankful at the same time? How can God give us good things and we hate that at the same time?

Jesus was telling us that our lives here are nothing. What ever we have here is nothing. Our worldly goods or lack of is nothing. Our real lives are spiritual. All of this just disappears when we die. We shouldn't live for ourselves or what we can gain. Put him First and then all these things will be added because we have the right perspective.
 
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Article on founding fathers here

Cite an example that stands out to you of how prayer changed the course of the United States or accomplished a monumental goal.

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There are numerous moments, but I’ll choose the answered prayers attested to by Founding Father Benjamin Franklin. About five weeks into the Constitutional Convention of 1787 when they were attempting to draft the U. S. Constitution, their efforts were a signal failure. As things were beginning to break up and delegates return home to their states, Franklin challenged them and called them to prayer. He told them:

In this situation of this Assembly, groping as it were in the dark to find political truth, and scarce able to distinguish it when presented to us, how has it happened, sir, that we have not hitherto once thought of humbly applying to the Father of Lights to illuminate our understanding? In the beginning of the contest with Great Britain, when we were sensible of danger, we had daily prayer in this room for the Divine protection. Our prayers, sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a superintending Providence in our favor. . . . And have we now forgotten that powerful Friend? Or do we imagine we no longer need His assistance? I have lived, sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth – that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured, sir, in the Sacred Writings, that “except the Lord build the House, they labor in vain that build it.” I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without His concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel. . . . I therefore beg leave to move that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business.

Independence day is Americans day to celebrate our independence from tyranny, and pray for her peoples to turn to God and His ways.
Independence day is Americans day to celebrate our independence from tyranny, and pray for her peoples to turn to God and His ways.

“except the Lord build the House, they labor in vain that build it.”

Amen!!!! Indeed it is. And prayers, especially today, on this, our Independence day from tyranny.
 
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The Germans had the Bible since Luther and did not come to the US so they could finally read it. The Swiss had the Bible freely available, not illegal, as well. That’s where the Pilgrims Bible was printed. How do you know if the Bible in Ethiopia was illegal? Or places where the Catholics weren’t? They made it illegal, you know.
What part of Northern Europe don’t you understand Dorothy?
 
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That is a prayer to the living God.

It's sealed. Done.

We can all pray to God, and so we should. I have never said otherwise, obviously.

Unless you are praying in agreement with it, it is best that you not tamper with it.

I agree with some of it, not all of it, as outlined in my response above. It is my right to disagree with you as you can disagree with me.

Also, you posted it here in a thread I started, obviously to prove a point and refute the topic of this thread. This is a public forum and people are therefore free to respond and comment on what everyone writes. If you don’t wish to have this occur, perhaps it’s best not to post it where people are free to comment and discuss.

Otherwise start your own.

I did. I am the one who started this thread. You are of course free to start your own.

I've been praying for my country for several years.

I’m glad. I’ve never once said you or anyone else shouldn’t do so.

I have also prayed for your country, Canada.

Again, I’m glad. As Christians we should be praying for our brothers and sisters all over the world. Absolutely.

It is only recently that i realized the hatred that many Canadians have for my country, and for us, the American people, and the utter contempt that is expressed and the vitriol.

There is indeed “hate” expressed by many. Suggesting that we are truly united in Christ and not any one earthly nation, however, is not “hate.” I’m sorry if you think it is.

To begrudge our country the Independence from tyranny day that we have a right to remember, and yes, celebrate, belies any pious words or platitudes about grace or love or anything of the sort.

No one here has “begrudged” anyone anything. You can be sure, however, that “tyranny” is alive and well all over the world. Wars have not only cost Americans their lives, but many from all over this earth. All of those killed were precious human beings made in the image of God. This should grieve us deeply.

It is a remembrance day for us, the American people. We WILL remember, and celebrate, by the grace of God and in thankfulness to the liberty, freedom, and rights that He has so graciously granted to us.

Again, this thread is NOT about being thankless or ungrateful. You definitely decided to attempt to make it such. That is unfortunate.

On that note, it is pure folly to tamper with a prayer to the living God. I suggest you refrain from it.

Again, please remember where you posted this. If you want to start your own thread and you wish that no one comment on your post (which you so evidently consider to be “tampering”) please also be sure to clearly note that you do not want any response to your post.

Honestly though, if you do so, I fail to see the point in posting at all. One should expect responses when one posts on a forum like this.

In the meantime, i will continue praying for my country, and i will celebrate our glorious freedom and liberty that God has so graciously granted us.

Good.

God BLESS America, my home sweet home.

Father may it be so, in the name of Jesus, amen.

"Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake." ~Isaiah 54:15

"No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD." ~Isaiah 54:17

Those verses apply to all God’s children, everywhere.

I hope you have a wonderful and blessed day.
 
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We can all pray to God, and so we should. I have never said otherwise, obviously.



I agree with some of it, not all of it, as outlined in my response above. It is my right to disagree with you as you can disagree with me.

Also, you posted it here in a thread I started, obviously to prove a point and refute the topic of this thread. This is a public forum and people are therefore free to respond and comment on what everyone writes. If you don’t wish to have this occur, perhaps it’s best not to post it where people are free to comment and discuss.



I did. I am the one who started this thread. You are of course free to start your own.



I’m glad. I’ve never once said you or anyone else shouldn’t do so.



Again, I’m glad. As Christians we should be praying for our brothers and sisters all over the world. Absolutely.



There is indeed “hate” expressed by many. Suggesting that we are truly united in Christ and not any one earthly nation, however, is not “hate.” I’m sorry if you think it is.



No one here has “begrudged” anyone anything. You can be sure, however, that “tyranny” is alive and well all over the world. Wars have not only cost Americans their lives, but many from all over this earth. All of those killed were precious human beings made in the image of God. This should grieve us deeply.



Again, this thread is NOT about being thankless or ungrateful. You definitely decided to attempt to make it such. That is unfortunate.



Again, please remember where you posted this. If you want to start your own thread and you wish that no one comment on your post (which you so evidently consider to be “tampering”) please also be sure to clearly note that you do not want any response to your post.

Honestly though, if you do so, I fail to see the point in posting at all. One should expect responses when one posts on a forum like this.



Good.



Those verses apply to all God’s children, everywhere.

I hope you have a wonderful and blessed day.

"Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake." ~Isaiah 54:15

"No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD." ~Isaiah 54:17
 
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"Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake." ~Isaiah 54:15

"No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD." ~Isaiah 54:17

God’s grace and mercy is for everyone, not just Americans.

We are united in Christ.
 
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