Age of the earth, why is it relevant?!

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Well because - if evolution is true, God isn't. Either God created all life in one day, or the bible is lying.
No, this is a false dichotomy. You're suggesting here that God couldn't have created mankind through evolution. The two are not mutually exclusive.
 
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No, this is a false dichotomy. You're suggesting here that God couldn't have created mankind through evolution. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Not to mention that evolution has nothing to do with creation or a biogenesis. Evolution is simply changes over time. Not the start of life.
 
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Okay, so I'm going to start off by stating my position just so we're clear. I believe the "new earth" theory is nonsense.

However, the purpose of this post isn't to debate the age of the earth, but rather, I'm trying to sort out why it matters how old the earth is?? It seems in my experience, new earthers tend to be obsessively dogmatic in holding this position. It's not sufficient that simply they hold this worldview, it's necessary everyone else does as well. Is there an underlying philosophical position I'm missing here?

Ask God

Why ask Man the age of the earth as man did not create the earth?

I direct you to pray, as we all should direct more people to do.
 
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Could earth look like old but be young instead ? For example fall caused by sin could make entropy not linear but very fast at first and then slow down over time ?
Good question while seeking the simple truth not distracted by man's theories......

Consider this: Yahweh created man (Adam).

Do you think Adam looked like an embryo in utero ? Obviously not - Yahweh created Adam (and Chavah (Eve) later) full grown.

And continually, every molecule of every substance of every life and everything else is
held together actively by Yahweh's Word Yahshua (Jesus) --- he is everywhere at once forever, holding all things together by the power of His Word.....

So Creating the Universe as written, in six days, and resting (by choice) on the seventh day sanctifying it and making it set apart, is most simply correct as written in Scripture.
 
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Ask God

Why ask Man the age of the earth as man did not create the earth?

I direct you to pray, as we all should direct more people to do.

College would be a lot easier if we could give the answer: "Not sure, God hasn't texted me back yet."
 
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Good question while seeking the simple truth not distracted by man's theories......

Consider this: Yahweh created man (Adam).

Do you think Adam looked like an embryo in utero ? Obviously not - Yahweh created Adam (and Chavah (Eve) later) full grown.

And continually, every molecule of every substance of every life and everything else is
held together actively by Yahweh's Word Yahshua (Jesus) --- he is everywhere at once forever, holding all things together by the power of His Word.....

So Creating the Universe as written, in six days, and resting (by choice) on the seventh day sanctifying it and making it set apart, is most simply correct as written in Scripture.
What do you mean by "man's theories"?
 
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Do you think Adam looked like an embryo in utero ? Obviously not - Yahweh created Adam (and Chavah (Eve) later) full grown.

Where is the evidence that Adam was full grown? If we (mankind) can put a fetus in an artificial womb and birth a lamb. Why couldn't God do the same for man?
 
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It is MUCH EASIER THAN THAT ! (but not for college (educated ones) )

Jesus PRAISED the FATHER in HEAVEN for REVEALING THE TRUTH to infants (including grown disciples who as Jesus says is necessary "became as infants/little children IN ORDER TO BE SAVED) and hiding the Truth (even of Salvation) from the educated ones.

The Revelation from the Father is much better and more sure than texts. (and completely in perfect harmony with all of Yahweh's Word, Plan, Purpose and Salvation in Christ Jesus our Lord, our Shepherd (we hear HIS VOICE and will NOT follow someone else) , our Savior, our Healer, our Comforter, our Elohim (God) .......
 
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God never texted as you never asked him to.

...because we all know God gets back to us immediately ever time we ask for stuff. Clearly, you know everything about my relationship with God or you wouldn't have made an outrageous claim.
 
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It is MUCH EASIER THAN THAT ! (but not for college (educated ones) )

Jesus PRAISED the FATHER in HEAVEN for REVEALING THE TRUTH to infants (including grown disciples who as Jesus says is necessary "became as infants/little children IN ORDER TO BE SAVED) and hiding the Truth (even of Salvation) from the educated ones.

The Revelation from the Father is much better and more sure than texts. (and completely in perfect harmony with all of Yahweh's Word, Plan, Purpose and Salvation in Christ Jesus our Lord, our Shepherd (we hear HIS VOICE and will NOT follow someone else) , our Savior, our Healer, our Comforter, our Elohim (God) .......

Are you saying that God chose to reveal himself to the uneducated and easily manipulated people that wouldn't ask for proof instead of the people that had the fortunate capability/opportunity to become educated? Would love to see the verses that claim that.
 
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...because we all know God gets back to us immediately ever time we ask for stuff. Clearly, you know everything about my relationship with God or you wouldn't have made an outrageous claim.

Yes I do, as you told me what it is.

When you said God has never texted me the age of the earth that told me clearly that your faith is little to none. And also you dont pray.

All prayer is answered and also God will tell you what you wish to know with faith and prayer.

Prayer is direct communication to God.

And if you have faith God will answer you.

PS FRIEND. GOD HAS ANSWERED ME WITH THIS QUESTION.
 
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Okay, so I'm going to start off by stating my position just so we're clear. I believe the "new earth" theory is nonsense.

However, the purpose of this post isn't to debate the age of the earth, but rather, I'm trying to sort out why it matters how old the earth is?? It seems in my experience, new earthers tend to be obsessively dogmatic in holding this position. It's not sufficient that simply they hold this worldview, it's necessary everyone else does as well. Is there an underlying philosophical position I'm missing here?
Genesis 1 is describing the creation of new earth life on an old earth planet.

It is describing the creation of a new biosphere on an old rocky body.

The earth can be considered new because its biosphere is new.

And the earth can be considered old because its rocky body is old.

It depends on your focus.

Genesis 1 focuses on the age of the new biosphere (earth life).

Science focuses on the age of the old rocky body (earth planet).

There is no conflict here.

Genesis 1 is describing new life being given to an old body.

A resurrection of sorts.

Perhaps foretelling the resurrection of Christ.
 
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The length of a day is defined in Genesis chapter one. (one planet rotation)
We either believe it, or don't believe it.

Adam was created on the sixth day.
We either believe it, or don't believe it.

How many years Adam lived is given.
We either believe it, or don't believe it.

The lineage of Christ goes all the way back to Adam.
We either believe it, or don't believe it.

If you don't believe any of that, you are not a Bible believing Christian.
That's why it matters
 
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Yes I do, as you told me what it is.

When you said God has never texted me the age of the earth that told me clearly that your faith is little to none. And also you dont pray.

All prayer is answered and also God will tell you what you wish to know with faith and prayer.

Prayer is direct communication to God.

And if you have faith God will answer you.

PS FRIEND. GOD HAS ANSWERED ME WITH THIS QUESTION.

And where is your evidence for such claims? God does not always answer prayers. All of our lives would be way easier if he did. And when he does answer them it is not always immediately. That's how we grow in Him. Not always getting the immediate answer.
 
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If you are presenting a claim you must have the evidence to back it up. If you don't have evidence, then you are just asserting a claim, which gets us nowhere. Prayer alone will not answer all of your questions.
 
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Yahweh does not even hear (let alone answer) the prayers of those who consider sin in their hearts.
So there's not many educated (if any at times) He listens to, considering all His Word in perfect harmony as He Says.

We are all sinners. So your claim would mean he doesn't hear anyone. But even if he did, those that are more educated are more sinful and therefore more likely to never hear from him? Is that the meaning of your post or did I miss something?
 
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