If gaining Salvation is a free choice, why cant losing Salvation also be a free choice?

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This is why OSAS is false. You can lose salvation. People make excuses about "Oh, well they weren't ever saved to begin with!" but thats grasping at straws because they refuse to accept salvation can be lost. How many famous preachers have become atheists later in life? I've seen a few.
 
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The one who saves is the one who keeps us saved.
Jude 24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

Sure he's absolutely able and willing to keep us from falling - if we hold onto the anchor.
 
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The branches do not nourish the Vine. It is the other way around.
Eph 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

But if a branch dies it no longer receives nourishment and is broken off and burned. Not abiding in Christ is spiritually dying.
 
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This is why OSAS is false. You can lose salvation. People make excuses about "Oh, well they weren't ever saved to begin with!" but thats grasping at straws because they refuse to accept salvation can be lost. How many famous preachers have become atheists later in life? I've seen a few.
Yes. If our salvation ultimately hinges on our decision, our decision can end it.
 
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Sure he's absolutely able and willing to keep us from falling - if we hold onto the anchor.
It is not about us. It is about Lord Jesus and His completed work at Calvary. He sees our end from our beginning. Don't you think He knows whether we will stay with Him before He saves us? He knew Judas would betray Him. He knew Peter would deny Him. Lord Jesus saves to the utmost. He will never leave us or forsake us.
Hebrews 13:5
Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

Notice it did not mention an anchor?
 
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He would have still been the man's son if he had died out there in the pig pen.


".........do not be arrogant but tremble, for if He did not spare the natural branches He will not spare you either."

Read Romans 11:18-21 and then go on to read farther than that.

There is an imperative to live accordingto righteousness..

Of course, as with all things a balance must be struck, and we have assurance as we were sealed by the Holy Spirit and have the Holy Spirit as our assurance, but at the same time it's not an anything goes situation. You can abuse Grace..

We overcome the self one thing at a time so there are times we have sin unresolved or issues not yet overcome, but we don't turn our backs on discipleship and the process of refinement.
 
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If you think about it, if is a free gift from God in which if one confesses with their mouth and believe in their heart that Jesus is Lord, and they turn from their sins, they will be saved, according to Romans 10:9-11, why cant them loosing Salvation also be an option if they choose to openly denounce their faith and God and they no longer feel the need to follow God and die unrepentant in their sins.

Think how many atheists you see on line religious forums or social media, states how they used to be devout Christians, until they opened their eyes and either saw the bible as nonsense or the idea of a God itself to be false as well with all that goes on in the world and they denounce their faith and do as they please and many die in that state. Would we say, that atheist is going to Heaven because they spouted a few words when they were 13yrs old in church, despite his future free will choice as an adult to walk away from God.

I agree it is possible for someone to turn away from God. The scriptures that people use to support OSAS are referring to outside forces that cannot take away a person’s salvation. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that a person cannot choose to turn away from God.
 
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If you think about it, if is a free gift from God in which if one confesses with their mouth and believe in their heart that Jesus is Lord, and they turn from their sins, they will be saved, according to Romans 10:9-11, why cant them loosing Salvation also be an option if they choose to openly denounce their faith and God and they no longer feel the need to follow God and die unrepentant in their sins.

This mistakes what salvation is and does, it seems to me. Salvation isn't merely receiving a thing; salvation is a Person: Jesus Christ. (1 John 5:11-12) He enters our lives in the Person of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ (Romans 8:9), and regenerates us spiritually (Titus 3:5). We are transformed, becoming "new creatures in Christ"; our "old man" is put to death (Romans 6:6) and we are "made alive unto God through Jesus Christ" (Romans 6:11). Thus we are "born again" and will never again be what we were. Salvation, then, isn't just coming to possess things but involves being radically and fundamentally changed by the inner, transforming work of our Creator.

How did this happen? Did we one day, completely on our own, decide to pursue God? No.

Ephesians 2:1-3
1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,
2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,
3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.


This is the state of every person who has not been born again. And in such a state it is impossible that any of us could come to faith in Christ, could be saved, entirely of our own accord. God had to take the initiative toward us. And He did so when we were alienated from Him and enemies in our minds toward Him by our wicked works (Colossians 1:21). He did not wait for us to take hold of Him, but quite apart from what we wanted, worked to persuade us to take the gift of salvation He offers to all the World in His Son. But if this is how our coming into relationship with God began, if it was entirely independent of what we wanted, how can our continued salvation be in any way dependent upon what we may or may not want? God doesn't relate with us on this basis. And thank Him that this is so! If it were not, none of us would ever be saved!

The modern believer expects far too little from salvation, it seems to me. This is, I suspect, because the vast majority of people who believe they are saved are no such thing (Matthew 7:13-14). These false converts, constituting the bulk of "Christians," go through the motions of Christian living, devoid of any real spiritual transformation, and find themselves, of course, living lives that don't evidence the power of God, that aren't radically holy and full of the fruit of righteousness, that aren't marked by a daily experience of the convicting, illumination, strengthening, leading, comforting and provision of the Holy Spirit. These false converts look at one another in their spiritual deadness and think to themselves, "I guess being saved doesn't really make much of a difference." And then they see their fellow false converts fall away from the faith and so begin to wonder at the security of the gift they believe they have received.

When one is truly saved, the possibility of moving out of the rich, joyful, fulfilling experience of God Almighty is simply unthinkable. When one has come to Life and Light itself, and has found in him love that passes all knowledge (Ephesians 3:17-19), retreating into death and darkness just isn't an option. So, no, genuine salvation isn't something one can just cast off as a child would a toy they find no longer exciting.
 
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I agree it is possible for someone to turn away from God. The scriptures that people use to support OSAS are referring to outside forces that cannot take away a person’s salvation. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that a person cannot choose to turn away from God.
There are those I call psuedochristians/tares/goats. They go to church, say the right words, sing in the choir, etc.They go through the motions, rubbing up against Lord Jesus, but, like Judas, never come into true salvation.
 
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He would have still been the man's son if he had died out there in the pig pen.

A son separated from his father forever. btw, no believer is GOD's begotten son; all are adopted.
 
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A son separated from his father forever. btw, no believer is GOD's begotten son; all are adopted.

They are adopted by God, not by dint of their own will. I cannot adopt myself into God's family; He must adopt me. My adoption hinges upon God's will, not mine. And He has determined that no man can pluck me out of His hand (and "no man" includes me).
 
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Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

Notice it did not mention an anchor?

Hebrews does mention the anchor. It also cautions us throughout the letter to make sure we hold onto it through faith. Notice that hope is our anchor. Don't lose hope and you will be secure.

Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; Hebrews 6:19
 
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If you think about it, if is a free gift from God in which if one confesses with their mouth and believe in their heart that Jesus is Lord, and they turn from their sins, they will be saved, according to Romans 10:9-11, why cant them loosing Salvation also be an option if they choose to openly denounce their faith and God and they no longer feel the need to follow God and die unrepentant in their sins.

Think how many atheists you see on line religious forums or social media, states how they used to be devout Christians, until they opened their eyes and either saw the bible as nonsense or the idea of a God itself to be false as well with all that goes on in the world and they denounce their faith and do as they please and many die in that state. Would we say, that atheist is going to Heaven because they spouted a few words when they were 13yrs old in church, despite his future free will choice as an adult to walk away from God.
I think that you can lose your salvation from your free choice. The problem is that I think you would need to renounce your salvation with a sane mind. But who with a sane mind could knowingly give up a relatonship with God and an eternity with him in paradise for a future without him and an eternity in Hell. No one who is mentally healthy could choose hell.
 
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Salvation isn't some title or office that can be walked away from like a bad job, nor is it the speaking of a few words at some point. It's a complete recreation of the individual, a sealing by the Holy Spirit, and the purchase of ourselves by another. there is no 'walking away' option. You are either saved and remaining, or never saved at all.

Scripture doesn't support that, however. First, the 'seal of the Holy Spirit' is not a seal that enforces us to remain in Christ. It's a legal term. The seal marks God's authority and guarantee that He will keep the future promises of the covenant at the judgement - it's not a rope that forces us to stay in the covenant. (For example, the seal on Jesus' tomb didn't physically increase the security of the tomb. Rather, it was the mark of Roman authority that anyone tampering with the tomb/body would be subject to death.)

"And in Him (in Christ) you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, having heard and believed the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we (those in Christ) acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory." Eph 1:13-14

The seal doesn't make us be in Christ, nor does it make us remain in Christ. It's a guarantee that those in Christ will inherit the future promises such as new spiritual bodies, a place in God's kingdom, etc.) This passage itself and others on the seal of the Spirit shed no light on whether those who start in Christ can reject Christ later.

More here on this common misunderstanding of what the seal of the Holy Spirit means:
[Question: What is the seal of the Holy Spirit?
See Answer: What is the seal of the Holy Spirit?]

Second, scripture does not show that either being redeemed or receiving new life in Christ means that that person cannot reject Christ and return to slavery to sin and the world. Here are just a few examples where the scripture is very clear that some can, and some do, just that:

Heb 6:1-6:

Heb 6:5-8 warns them of the case of Christians who had seen the light (II Cor 4:6), ate of the heavenly gift (John 6:33), shared in the Holy Spirit (I Cor 12:13, II Peter 1:4, Eph 3:6, Heb 3:14, Col 1:12, Phil 1:7, Eph 4:4, etc), tasted the goodness of the word of God (Psalm 38:4) shared in spiritual gifts (1 Cor 12:4), and repented (Acts 2:38), but then fell away.

Clearly, some who have who partook in the Holy Spirit (literally, changed after sharing - something only Christians who have received the Spirit and resultant new life can do) have fallen away. There is no hypothetical about this falling away - the Greek is clear that they did fall away.

See also:
[Question: What exactly does "fall away" mean in Heb 6:6?
See Answer: What exactly does "fall away" mean in Heb 6:6?]

Heb 10:23-29: Believers are warned to hold fast (a nautical term referencing to keep a ship's bearing) to their faith. This is contrasted with those in the passage who deliberately return to a state of sin (slavery to sin, not merely struggling with sin) and who treats as unholy the blood that formerly sanctified them and insults the Spirit of Grace.

This passage is opposed to the concept that it's impossible to reject the sanctifying blood or that the Spirit itself holds our course in faith fast.

See also:
[Question: What does the Hebrews 10:26 mean concerning 'willful sin?'
See Answer: What does the Hebrews 10:26 mean concerning 'willful sin?'
Question: Does Hebrews 10:26 mean that a believer can lose salvation?
See Answer: Does Hebrews 10:26 mean that a believer can lose salvation?]

John 15:1-6:
“I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful....Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned."

Here is a warning, strait from the mouth of Christ, that we must remain in Him! That is to abide or stay - not merely sojourn temporarily. Those who do not remain will be cut off and burned! This is similar to the language of Rom 11:17-23 - we remain in the vine through faith, but if we do not continue in faith we will be cut off. As we see from Jude 1:12, there were those who did not remain and bore no fruit - so they were uprooted and considered 'twice dead' - their former escape from the condemnation of death and former participation in the life-giving vine did not avail them. II Pet 1:3-11 shows more in-depth how faith/remaining in Christ bears out in fruit, and how those without fruit are blind, unproductive in their relationship with Christ, and have 'forgotten' they were cleansed from past sins (not that they never had their sins forgiven or were never in Christ to begin with.)

There are many warnings in scripture about apostasy, turning back, making shipwreck of our faith (I Tim 1:18-20,) etc. One of the clearest is I Tim 4:1:

"The Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will depart from the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons."

It's hard to get more explicit than something the Spirit explicitly says! Depart here in the Greek does mean to withdraw or leave from something you were once a part of. 'The faith' here is defined in the verses just before - that Jesus was seen by the world and believed in - so the interpretation that this verse must just mean a shallow profession of outward faith is a far harder meaning to pull from the text as there is no context to support it.

See also:
[Question: What does it mean in 1 Tim 4:1 that 'some will depart from faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits?'
See Answer: What does it mean in 1 Tim 4:1 that 'some will depart from faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits?']

Luke 8:13
"Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away."

This explanation of the parable of the sower, in Jesus' words, means that some people *can* believe (have faith) for a while but later fall away! There is nothing in the passage to restrict this to fake believing or mere head knowledge. They welcomed the word with ready reception and trusted in Christ. However, they did not stay rooted in Christ. They didn't abide in Christ so as to continually suck up nutrients from the root - so when hardship came they abandoned the faith and returned to the world.

II Pet 2:20-22

"For if, having escaped the corruption of the world by truly knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have truly known the way of righteousness, than to have truly known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”

We see here former Christians - people who had escaped the corruption of the world! This first escape was only possible because they had true knowledge of Christ (not mere head knowledge) - the Greek word epignosis refers here to the relational/experiential knowledge Christians have with Christ, not mere book knowledge. They didn't just 'know about' Jesus and practice a few morals - they had a relationship with Christ which helped them escape the lusts of the flesh. But the, they returned to the corruption of the world! This latter state was worse than their former state of unbelief! After being washed and sanctified by the blood of Christ, they returned to washing in the mid of sin.
 
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A son separated from his father forever. btw, no believer is GOD's begotten son; all are adopted.
We are adopted true, but He thought we were valuable enough to send Lord Jesus to redeem fallen man, that all man had to do is believe and be adopted.I have grandchildren who are adopted. Guess what? They are mine.If you mess with them, you are messing with me. Our Father loves us like that. Ask Saul/Paul.
 
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