3 1/2 years...

Riberra said:

What you refuse to understand is that there is NO GATHERING OF THE PEOPLE OF GOD MENTIONED to happen AT THE 6 TH SEAL [Revelation 6:12-17] ...but the URGENCY TO SEAL THE 144,000 of the 12 Tribes of Israel [Revelation 7:1-8] is the next event mentioned to happen AFTER THE 6TH SEAL..

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The great Second Exodus of God's faithful people is well prophesied.
It will happen maybe a month or two after the Sixth Seal devastates the holy Land, to allow for the Land to regenerate and be ready for His people. Ezekiel 36, Isaiah 35, Jeremiah 31, all tell about this.
Where do you think the 144,000 come from? The Jews? THAT many virgins?
Can't you see they are selected out of the vast multitude of the faithful Christians, Jesus does it; Revelation 14:1

Riberra said:

The sequence is exactly that a time will come when the Christians will be overcome by the Beast

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The Revelation sequence for the end times starts at the Sixth Seal, which is 15-20 years before the Return of Jesus.

keras said:

The great Second Exodus of God's faithful people is well prophesied.
It will happen maybe a month or two after the Sixth Seal devastates the holy Land,

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How God's faithful people around the World will go to Israel after that all the airports around the World will have been badly damaged or been totally destroyed by the Great Worldwide Earthquake of the 6Th Seal Revelation 6:12 and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. ..Revelation 6:14?

The weeks and months and years after the Great Worldwide Earthquake of the 6 TH Seal will be a rebuilt time ,who will set the basis for a New World Order...

keras said:

Where do you think the 144,000 come from? The Jews? THAT many virgins?

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Young adult males Jews aged around 18 or 19 years old who had not made sex ...selected among the 12 Tribes of Israel..
Revelation 14:4

4 These are they that were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These [are] they that follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were purchased from among men, [to be] the firstfruits unto God and unto the Lamb.

5 And in their mouth was found no lie: they are without blemish.

they that had been purchased OUT Of The Earth (verse 3).

keras said:

The Revelation sequence for the end times starts at the Sixth Seal, which is 15-20 years before the Return of Jesus.

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Don't wish to hard that this time happen soon.

keras said:

2/ The Gog/Magog attack against the new nation of Beulah. Ezekiel 37-38, Joel 2:20

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In the new nation of Beulah, the citizens (faithful Christians from around the world) will be polluting God's name until after Gog/Magog? Makes no sense keras.

Riberra said:

How God's faithful people around the World will go to Israel after that all the airports around the World will have been badly damaged or been totally destroyed by the Great Worldwide Earthquake of the 6Th Seal Revelation 6:12 and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. ..Revelation 6:14?

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May I suggest that you take some time to actually read all the prophesies, then you wouldn't make comments that display your lack of knowledge.
Who said that our infrastructure will be totally destroyed? Damaged, maybe and all the electronics will need repair, but life will go on after the Sixth Seal.

We Christians will travel to the holy Land by every conveyance; Isaiah 66:20-21, Psalms 107 and Isaiah 60:8-9 & 21 Who are those who sail along like clouds, that fly like doves to their dovecotes? They are vessels assembling from the coasts and islands and ships bringing your children [God's holy people] from far away, bringing their treasures with them. For the Lord has made them glorious.
Amazing prophesies about the gathering and settling of all the Christian peoples into all of the holy Land.
Why is it so hard to understand that God's purpose's will be fulfilled. He will have His faithful people in His Land; it is our destiny and our privilege.

Riberra said:

Young adult males Jews aged around 18 or 19 years old who had not made sex ...selected among the 12 Tribes of Israel..

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Again, a display of misunderstanding.
Jews represent only 2 of the 12 tribes.
Not defiled themselves with women..... The marriage bed is not a defilement.

Riberra said:

Don't wish to hard that this time happen soon.

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I pray fervently for the Lord to act against His enemies and to bring on this great change as prophesied. Just as 2 Peter 3:12 says we should.

Douggg said:

In the new nation of Beulah, the citizens (faithful Christians from around the world) will be polluting God's name until after Gog/Magog? Makes no sense keras.

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The citizens of the new nation of Beulah praise God and worship Him in spirit and truth.
The Lord's people, set free, will enter Zion with shouts of triumph and the praises of God on their lips....Isaiah 35:10, Revelation 7:9

Psalms 106:47-48 Deliver us, Lord our God and gather us from the nations, so that we may give thanks to Your holy Name, we will make Your praise our pride. Blessed be the Lord, the God of Israel, from everlasting to everlasting – and the people say: AMEN.
PRAISE THE LORD!

Riberra said:

the Great Worldwide Earthquake of the 6Th Seal Revelation 6:12 and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. ..Revelation 6:14?

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Actually, from the Words; it seems this will be tectonic plate movement, a very deep shift of the continents. Not a relatively shallow, destructive earthquake at all.
Caused by the microwave effect of the Electro Magnetic Pulse of this prophesied explosion of the suns surface. Deuteronomy 32:22
The really big earthquake will happen at the Seventh Bowl, just before Jesus Returns. Revelation 16:18

keras said:

Actually, from the Words; it seems this will be tectonic plate movement, a very deep shift of the continents. Not a relatively shallow, destructive earthquake at all.

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Your ignorance is bliss...
The most powerful eartthquakes are caused by tectonic plate movement.

Read the Words again
Revelation 6:12
12 And I saw when he opened the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake;....

Revelation 6:14
....and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

This is describing a World Wide Catastrophic Earthquake to begin the tribulation time.

keras said:

`Caused by the microwave effect of the Electro Magnetic Pulse of this prophesied explosion of the suns surface. Deuteronomy 32:22

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That could be funny if you were not so serious.
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This is even more funny because you were serious .

keras said:

The citizens of the new nation of Beulah praise God and worship Him in spirit and truth.
The Lord's people, set free, will enter Zion with shouts of triumph and the praises of God on their lips....Isaiah 35:10, Revelation 7:9

Psalms 106:47-48 Deliver us, Lord our God and gather us from the nations, so that we may give thanks to Your holy Name, we will make Your praise our pride. Blessed be the Lord, the God of Israel, from everlasting to everlasting – and the people say: AMEN.
PRAISE THE LORD!

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Keras, you are not addressing the point I was making. In Ezekiel 39, prior to Gog's destruction, the citizens of the land of Israel were polluting God's name. Which means they were not Christians, but had no respect for Jesus's name.

Ezekiel 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

Riberra said:

What boils down is that you try desperately to hold to the proved wrong concept that 10 EU countries will form the 10 kingdoms.

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No, I am not desperate to hold on to anything.

The concept is not 10 EU countries - just as your concept in not 10 countries - but 10 regions of EU countries.

The concept I hold conforms to is the fourth kingdom in Daniel 7 and the legs of iron, and feet of clay and iron; and the 7 kings in Revelation 17:10; and the little horn coming from north and west of Israel with his strong army. All of those things say - EU.

And where the prince who shall come - what people he comes from. Romans.

The two tracks - one being the leader of the Roman Empire. And the other being the King of Israel (illegitimate)

1. The person becomes the little horn - leader of EU - 7th king. Right before the 7 years

2. The person becomes the Antichrist - illegitimate King of Israel - for most of first half. Starts 7 years.

3. The person becomes the beast - the EU his kingdom - the 8th king. For the second half. 7 years end.

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Riberra said:

The most powerful eartthquakes are caused by tectonic plate movement.

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I agree, there will be worldwide earthquakes, on the Lord's Day of wrath:
Haggai 2:6 In a little while, I shall shake the sky, the earth and break the power of the godless.
Isaiah 24:18-19 ..the windows of the sky above are opened, the earths foundations shake, it is convulsed and reels wildly.
Amos 8:8-9 On that day the earth will quake like ocean waves.
Revelation 6:12-14 There was a violent earthquake...every mountain and island was moved.
Psalms 18:7 The earth shook and quaked, the mountains trembled because of His anger.
Jeremiah 4:24 The mountains were reeling and the hills rocked to and fro.
Habakkuk 3:6 The Lord shakes the earth, the mountains are flattened.
But the Lord's Day of wrath includes fire, storms and tsunamis, eq's are just a part of it.

Riberra said:

That could be funny if you were not so serious.

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Obviously you are clueless about the effects of a big Coronal Mass Ejection. In fact, even the scientists don't know the full effects of the one the Lord will instigate. It will be of unprecedented magnitude and only from what the prophets tell us about it, can we get an idea of its terrible effects.

Douggg said:

Keras, you are not addressing the point I was making. In Ezekiel 39, prior to Gog's destruction, the citizens of the land of Israel were polluting God's name. Which means they were not Christians, but had no respect for Jesus's name.

Ezekiel 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

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Ezekiel 39:7 My holy Name I shall make known in the midst of My people and will no longer let it be profaned; the nations will know that I; the Lord, am holy in Israel. CJV, REBible
As usual the KJV gets it wrong. From the correct rendering, without the added; 'let them', we know they ARE Christians, the holy people of God, as many other prophesies prove.
Common sense, anyway; God's people display His holiness, Isaiah 49:8, in the Land and the other nations see it.

Douggg said:

but 10 regions of EU countries.

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Still gripping into the 80's notion of the EU, Douggg?
Daniel 7:23 The fourth beast....will devour the whole earth.....
Revelation 13:3.....the whole world admired the 'beast'...…
Enough said.

keras said:

Obviously you are clueless about the effects of a big Coronal Mass Ejection.

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The terrible effects of very big CME upon the electrical grid are well known ...search for the 1859 Carrington Event and the March 1989 Hydro Quebec black out caused by a big CME,*i was there when it happened*, I can assure you that there was no fire coming from the sky and that nobody have been burned alive by the CME.

That very big CME's can be associated with earthquakes have been proved wrong.

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keras said:

Ezekiel 39:7 My holy Name I shall make known in the midst of My people and will no longer let it be profaned; the nations will know that I; the Lord, am holy in Israel. CJV, REBible
As usual the KJV gets it wrong. From the correct rendering, without the added; 'let them', we know they ARE Christians, the holy people of God, as many other prophesies prove.
Common sense, anyway; God's people display His holiness, Isaiah 49:8, in the Land and the other nations see it.

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Why is Jesus's name not known in the midst of them - if they are Christians?

Again, how do these other verses in Ezekiel 39 apply to the inhabitants of the land if they are Christians?

22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

keras said:

Still gripping into the 80's notion of the EU, Douggg?
Daniel 7:23 The fourth beast....will devour the whole earth.....
Revelation 13:3.....the whole world admired the 'beast'...…
Enough said.

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The West will dominate the world at that time.

Riberra said:

The terrible effects of very big CME upon the electrical grid are well known ...search for the 1859 Carrington Event and the March 1989 Hydro Quebec black out caused by a big CME,*i was there when it happened*, I can assure you that there was no fire coming from the sky and that nobody have been burned alive by the CME.

That very big CME's can be associated with earthquakes have been proved wrong.

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Remain in ignorance; see if I care!
But others here may want to search for more info on what we know a big CME could do and better still; read the prophesies and learn what will happen on the Lord's Day of wrath. Malachi 4:1, Isaiah 29:6, Zephaniah 3:8 just for starters!

Douggg said:

Why is Jesus's name not known in the midst of them - if they are Christians?

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But they ARE Christians!
Do you reject any other trans that the KJV? If so, you are very deceived.
Why don't you at least check the original; 'let them', just isn't there.

Douggg said:

The West will dominate the world at that time.

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Maybe, but I doubt it, as Europe will receive the partial force of this blast from the sun, that will strike the Middle East at mid-day. Zephaniah 2:4 Look at a globe to see who will be most affected, as the initial EMP strikes, then 24 hours later the mass of superheated hydrogen plasma arrives, burning like a furnace.

keras said:

Remain in ignorance; see if I care!
But others here may want to search for more info on what we know a big CME could do

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Keras,Keras,Keras-, i know first hand what a big CME can do ...i was there when the second most powerful CME of modern history have affected the electric power grid of the Province of Quebec in March 1989... The biggest CME to hit the Earth in modern history was the Carrington Event in 1859.

keras said:

But they ARE Christians!
Do you reject any other trans that the KJV? If so, you are very deceived.
Why don't you at least check the original; 'let them', just isn't there.

Maybe, but I doubt it, as Europe will receive the partial force of this blast from the sun, that will strike the Middle East at mid-day. Zephaniah 2:4 Look at a globe to see who will be most affected, as the initial EMP strikes, then 24 hours later the mass of superheated hydrogen plasma arrives, burning like a furnace.

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You did not address these verses from Ezekiel 39...

How do these other verses in Ezekiel 39 apply to the inhabitants of the land if they are Christians?

22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

Douggg said:

22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

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This is said about 30 times in the Book of Ezekiel. It proves that they; every faithful Christian, will go to live in all of the holy Land BEFORE Jesus Returns.
We will know He is present and with us, because of His mighty deeds for us, such as wiping the attack from Gog/Magog.

Douggg said:

3 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

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History.

Riberra said:

Keras,Keras,Keras-, i know first hand what a big CME can do ...i was there when the second most powerful CME of modern history have affected the electric power grid of the Province of Quebec in March 1989... The biggest CME to hit the Earth in modern history was the Carrington Event in 1859.

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Yes, we have been thru this before, but you always want to go back to denial of what God will use on His Day of wrath against the nations. Isaiah 66:15-16, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7, +

keras said:

This is said about 30 times in the Book of Ezekiel. It proves that they; every faithful Christian, will go to live in all of the holy Land BEFORE Jesus Returns.
We will know He is present and with us, because of His mighty deeds for us, such as wiping the attack from Gog/Magog.

History.

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Keras, how does it prove the citizens of the land of Israel are Christians before Gog/Magog.... if they don't know Jesus is the LORD, until after Gog/Magog (verse 22) ?

And you did not address verse 23. Obviously it is not talking about the church or Christians. What does the REB say for those two verses? Copy and paste, please.

Ezekiel 38 and 39 is not talking about Christians and some notion you have about some new Christianized nation which you are calling Beulah replacing the current citizens over there and the nation of Israel..

Ezekiel 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.