I do mind.
We all chose the names we're going by for a reason,
and our choice should be respected.
Sadly, the high-road is never crowded.
Interlinear.
We don't know what that pure language was before Babel.
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I do mind.
We all chose the names we're going by for a reason,
and our choice should be respected.
Sadly, the high-road is never crowded.
Interlinear.
We don't know what that pure language was before Babel.
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That's ok with me Mr Gomerian, I said it that was a hope of mine, well, guessing now with a little more to go by that it wasn't acceptable to you
But Neither was the obvious message you should have considered, which was much more important for you to do all you can do to be acceptable to Him, not have to be ashamed in judgement. Suffer Loss
Since His name is not important to You, impossible to know
hey
Would you prefer Gomey with a y intstead?
But Neither was the obvious message you should have considered, which was much more important for you to do all you can do to be acceptable to Him, not have to be ashamed in judgement. Suffer Loss
Since His name is not important to You, impossible to know
hey
Would you prefer Gomey with a y intstead?
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Matthew 5:11-12 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for My sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
John 14:15-16 If ye love Me, keep My commandments. And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Matthew 7:24-25 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of Mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
John 12:48 He that rejecteth Me, and receiveth not My words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Revelation 3:7-8 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith He that is holy, He that is true, He that hath the key of David, He that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My word, and hast not denied My name.
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1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
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Matthew 5:22-24 "But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift."
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Do you remember calling me a liar twice, BABerean2? And that was because you supposed that I couldn't keep the 10 commandments. That's without cause, so I have something against you, and you have refused to apologize. God will not even accept your gift of prayer until you have reconciled with me. I won't be reminding you again. Without repentance, openly, to the injured party, there can be no forgiveness. This key belongs to everyone who believes/follows/does the works, of Jesus the Son of God.
Only shameless people act like nothing happened. The anti-law people don't follow Jesus' Commandments, either.
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It's because I'm from Gomer, according to where people think Gomer went to live. When I mentioned this in the welcome to the board section, someone actually told me that Christians don't recognize races. Which is patently wrong-headed, since Jesus says that He came to the race of Israel, and God will seal members of the families of Israel. I have a feeling that the sealing has already been done... [but it's only a guess, so there's no need to call me a liar, anyone.]
And since I do hear the voice of Jesus so that I actually do what Jesus says, I'm also an Other Sheep of the Lost Tribes of the House of Israel, which have been scattered amongst the Gomerians... just as the 10-tribes have been sown among every nation on earth.
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Gomer,
Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Gal_2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal_3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
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I lack the energy to reconcile that, with the Revelation of Jesus.
You can't reject Matthew 5:22-24, and call yourself a follower of Jesus.
Keeping Matthew 5:22-24 allows you to call yourself a brother of 1 John 3:23.
John's brethren do all of Jesus' commandments, which is why John calls himself the disciple that Jesus loves.
John says that Jesus gives us grace for grace: Jesus forgives us so that we can forgive others. It requires repentance, every time we injure another person. Grace isn't offered to people who refuse to keep doing what Jesus commands us to do... ALL that Jesus commands. Jesus says that He knows your works, and He will judge you on how well you actually keep His word. Jesus says that His word is the only thing that will judge us, in John 12:48.
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Gomer = Complete
Occurs 6 times in 6 verses
The Grandson of Noah, the son of Japheth. Genesis 10:2
The Sons of Gomer, Ashkanaz, Riphath and Togarmah. 1 Chronicles 1:6
One of the confederacy of nations that will attack Israel and lose badly. Ezekiel 38:6
Gomer = The representation of unfaithful Israel. Hosea 1:3
Ashkanaz ("a man as sprinkled: fire as scattered")
Ripath ("spoken")
Togarmah ("thou wilt break her")
So why do you want to be called Gomer? Gomer.
As opposed to what His people shall surname themselves.
One shall say, I am YHWH's; and another shall call by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto YHWH, and surname by the name of Israel. Isaiah 44:5
His people are not gomerians
They are Israel
In His Service
Ebed232 Ben Yissachar 1 Chronicles 12:32
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The New Covenant, The One that YESHUA is the Mediator, One of the Better Promises is that YHWH would write His Torah upon new hearts of Flesh and put His Spirit in Them.
Do you belong to this Covenant?
Because, From what I have heard from those of the called "Messianic" movement
better If it were the House of Israel movement, the dry bones beginning to come together again.
Don't teach salvation by Keeping the Torah But that the Result of Salvation, You should delight in it, In the Spirit, As Paul said that He did after the Inward man Romans 7:22
And He forbid that anyone should make it void by Faith, He said Believers, those that are saved
Uphold - Establish The Torah, He understood the New Covenant Romans 3:31
If you can not find the verses for any of the other points made, and believe it to be false.
Contend Earnestly, make a few points - I'm Ready ~ Proverbs 28:4
keeping the torah for salvation - Hagar (Abraham's own effort)
Keeping the Torah - Son of Promise - A Miracle - Isaac
The Torah upon stone - The Torah upon new Hearts of Flesh - Miracle
Pick Acts 15, or something you don't understand in Galatians as proof texts, maybe you dare to give an example of where YESHUA said the law would pass away, was the curse - ( The dogmas against us - our sins) That is what was nailed to the cross - Not His everlasting Righteousness Psalms 119:142
you are very confused as to the Gospel
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The New Covenant is a higher standard than the "ministry of death engraved on stones" in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, not for our salvation, but for our conduct.
We find in the passage below that Christ is the Sabbath in the New Covenant, instead of a day of the week.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
We find the higher standard below.
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Mat 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Mat 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
Mat 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
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Which ARE - The fulfillment of these Feast have yet to Come, but the Body is of Messiah
Don't let others in the Body judge you on what you eat or drink to Celebrate these days He is the Head of the Body
ARE is a present tense verb, Had the Holy Spirit wanted to convey, done away, it would have been written the way Christians interpret it. 'were'
And what we find is Hebrews 4:9
There remains Therefore a SABBATISMOS for the People of Elohim
Sabbatismos - keeping SABBATH
There remains therefore a keeping SABBATH for the people of Elohim
The Color of Messiah Is blue, red is the color the Bible uses for sin, anyways
All that red
Fulfilling Isaiah 42:21
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YHWH is well pleased for His righteousness' sake; He will magnify the Torah, and make it honourable.
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He Taught that it was not just the outward appearance of Righteousness, but that what was on the Inside that needed to change - And He Magnified The Torah, made It honorable
He brings about the change in the Inward man, puts in a new heart wherein He writes His Torah/instructions upon
And He does not change, He is the same Yesterday Today and Forever
So Again
What Covenant are you hoping in for Salvation?
Where is your Covenant wherein the law is abolished
All sin is transgression of the Torah
If we confess our sins He is Faithful and Just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness
If we say that we have no sin the Truth-Torah is not in us.
Abolish the Torah and you abolish Justice Mercy and Grace Matthew 23:23
All you scribes and pharisees that make void the Torah by your traditions _ Romans 3:31
Hypocrites
Four men take a nazarite vow until it is determined whether the witnesses against Paul were true.
That Paul walked disorderly, and didn't keep the Torah
In order to show the the charges were false, Paul was asked to pay for the Animal sacrifices of the four men.
And
Paul paid for the Animal Sacrifices of Four men who had taken a Vow to show he kept the Torah Acts 21:23-26
Paul say in 1 Corinthians 11:1
Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Messiah.
He says to follow him, he walks orderly and keeps the Torah just like Messiah kept the Torah
He that saith he abideth in Him ought himself also so to walk, even as He walked.
1 John 2:6
How did YESHUA and Paul Walk, a Hebrew idiom for "How they lived their Lives"
They both kept the Torah
So if you want to Imitate Paul, who Imitated Messiah, Do the Same.
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Heb 12:18 For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest,
(The above would be Mount Sinai.)
Heb 12:19 and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore.
Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure what was commanded: "AND IF SO MUCH AS A BEAST TOUCHES THE MOUNTAIN, IT SHALL BE STONED OR SHOT WITH AN ARROW."
Heb 12:21 And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, "I AM EXCEEDINGLY AFRAID AND TREMBLING.")
Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
When a contract to build a new house is completed, it is not "abolished".
It is fulfilled.
Based on Galatians 3:16-29, the Sinai Covenant was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham "until" the seed could come to whom the promise was made. (Christ)
Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE." (Quoted from Jeremiah 31:31-34.)
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.
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Noah was a preacher of Righteousness 2 Peter 2:5 - Psalms 119:142
YHWH commanded that 7 pairs of the Clean Animals went into Ark and one pair of the Unclean Genesis 7:2
Where do we find Noah being told what is Clean and Unclean in the Scriptures? We Don't, but obviously he knew the difference.
Abraham Kept the Torah and Never offered an unclean animal to YHWH Genesis 26:5
Peter said to be Holy for He is Holy, which is a direct quote from the chapter of what is Clean and Unclean 1 Peter 1:16, Leviticus 11:44
Those that are still Eating Swines flesh shall be consumed at the second Coming Isaiah 66:15 Isaiah 66:17
How was the Torah Changed.
The Priesthood was changed, YHWH found fault with the them Hebrews 8:8, He did Not find fault with His EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS Psalms 119:142
Difference, Is that now when you break His Torah, you don't need to go to a priest, who first has to offer sacrifices for his own sins for forginess
but unto a High Priest that is separate from sinners and Forever Lives to make intercession for His People
The Priesthood Changed, Nothing Else.
His Righteousness Remains the same yesterday, today and forever
The most popular thing that is consumed by christians on easter - Swine's Flesh
Ishtar also proclaimed that because a pig killed Tammuz, that a pig must be eaten on that Sunday.
OY VEY
The foreshadowing of the Abomination of Desolation was when antiochus epiphanies sacrificed a pig on the altar of Elohim
Do you not know that you are the Temple of the Holy Spirit, Unless you fail the test
YHWH commanded that 7 pairs of the Clean Animals went into Ark and one pair of the Unclean Genesis 7:2
Where do we find Noah being told what is Clean and Unclean in the Scriptures? We Don't, but obviously he knew the difference.
Abraham Kept the Torah and Never offered an unclean animal to YHWH Genesis 26:5
Peter said to be Holy for He is Holy, which is a direct quote from the chapter of what is Clean and Unclean 1 Peter 1:16, Leviticus 11:44
Those that are still Eating Swines flesh shall be consumed at the second Coming Isaiah 66:15 Isaiah 66:17
How was the Torah Changed.
The Priesthood was changed, YHWH found fault with the them Hebrews 8:8, He did Not find fault with His EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS Psalms 119:142
Difference, Is that now when you break His Torah, you don't need to go to a priest, who first has to offer sacrifices for his own sins for forginess
but unto a High Priest that is separate from sinners and Forever Lives to make intercession for His People
The Priesthood Changed, Nothing Else.
His Righteousness Remains the same yesterday, today and forever
The most popular thing that is consumed by christians on easter - Swine's Flesh
Ishtar also proclaimed that because a pig killed Tammuz, that a pig must be eaten on that Sunday.
OY VEY
The foreshadowing of the Abomination of Desolation was when antiochus epiphanies sacrificed a pig on the altar of Elohim
Do you not know that you are the Temple of the Holy Spirit, Unless you fail the test
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Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
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Yes, No longer was it necessary to go to the Priests for forgiveness
That is the Change in the Law
And that is made clear throughout the Chapter, Change in the priesthood
Change in the priesthood, Change in the priesthood, of Necessity the provision that one needs to have a priest perform sacrifices for them has been changed
Of Necessity
Finding Fault with Them, Repeat Repeat, He found no fault with His Instructions Isaiah 51:4 - Hebrews 8:8
To find fault with the Torah - He would have to find fault with Himself
The Torah proceeds from Him, It is nature of His Character.
Hebrews 7:26
For such an High Priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
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Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this He did once, when He offered up Himself.
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For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.
Revelation 3:18
I counsel thee to buy of Me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
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The only way to make the above work is by refusing to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" in Galatians 4:24-31.
Which is the now "obsolete" Old Covenant in Hebrews 8:13.
Which is the "ministry of death written on stone" in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8.
Which comes from "the mountain that burns with fire" in Hebrews 12:18-24.
If you ignore those passages, maybe you can make your doctrine work.
Therefore, what you are promoting is a doctrine of ignorance.
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Briefly mentioned previously
Galatians 4:24-31
So why is Jerusalem and her children compared to Hagar and her children?
Jerusalem as a whole were attempting [Like Abraham Did] to receive the promise through human effort - Hagar, and ended up with Ishmael, a wild man and a pain ever since.
This he did thinking that was how YHWH would fulfill the promise that he would have a son
That's Jerusalem below - Trying to bring about the promise of Eternal life by your own works, and not the Righteousness that comes from YESHUA - YHWH Tsidkenu. Romans 9:32
Jerusalem Above is Free, Free to Obey, As YESHUA gives us all the righteousness we need, puts His Spirit In Us, and writes His Torah upon our heart and mind
But mostly, Blessed is the Man to whom Elohim does not impute iniquity
The Son of the Free women, Sarah when she was well past child bareing years.
Had Isaac
Now Compare - Hagar - Human Effort for salvation
Sarah
Jerusalem Above - He brings it about by tha New Creation, Writing His Torah upon the hearts and minds of His People - Through the working of the Ruach haKodesh, most are stunted, still stuck on elementary things
Obsolete - passing away - Yes - The sacrificial system of the priesthood was obsolete, passing away, and it did in 70 AD
But not forever
Just as Paul warned that Elohim can restore the natural branches, which He will
Since the wild branches are twice as stiff-necked as their fathers.
Ministry of death - Same thing - human Effort
The Law is the Law
The Word for keep in Hebrew is Shamar
It means to guard, protect, put a hedge around
Whoever Keeps and Teaches the commandments will be called the Greatest in the kingdom, whoever nullifies the least commandment will be the least. Matthew 5:19 and not be a priest Hosea 4:6 being that they have forsaken the Torah of their Elohim.
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In the passage below the Apostle Paul describes the temporary nature of the Sinai Covenant.
It was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.
Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
The New Covenant: Bob George
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