How can there be a triune God Trinity?

Duvduv said:

This doctrine exists nowhere in the New Testament. Even the mention of a father, son and holy spirit says nothing at all about a triune God. It makes perfect sense for there to be a father God, a holy man who is his "son" and divine inspiration called the Holy Spirit in Matthew, but it says nothing at all about a Triune God.
Besides, the NT Jesus himself repeatedly refers to "my father" and the difference between himself and his father, not to mention calling on his father on the cross. So it is pretty clear that the original Christian paradigm didn't have this concept at all.

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According to the doctrine of the Trinity one person of the Trinity can talk to another person of the Trinity. And no it makes no sense for there to be a Father god who gave birth to a Demi god son as the Unitarians say he did. The Holy Spirit is repeatedly reffered to as a person and separate being from the Father and the Son. If we look at the verse of Matthew 28:19 the Trinity is mentioned pretty clearly.

I like Got questions explanation best so I will share it.
Question: "What does the Bible teach about the Trinity?"

Answer: The most difficult thing about the Christian concept of the Trinity is that there is no way to perfectly and completely understand it. The Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand, let alone explain. God is infinitely greater than we are; therefore, we should not expect to be able to fully understand Him. The Bible teaches that the Father is God, that Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also teaches that there is only one God. Though we can understand some facts about the relationship of the different Persons of the Trinity to one another, ultimately, it is incomprehensible to the human mind. However, this does not mean the Trinity is not true or that it is not based on the teachings of the Bible.


The Trinity is one God existing in three Persons. Understand that this is not in any way suggesting three Gods. Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word “Trinity” is not found in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God—three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who are God. Of real importance is that the concept represented by the word “Trinity” does exist in Scripture. The following is what God’s Word says about the Trinity:

1) There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5).

2) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for “us” is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun “us” are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity.

In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this passage is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of three distinct Persons in the Trinity.

3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament, “LORD” is distinguished from “Lord” (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the “LORD” (Numbers 27:18) and from “God” (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17). This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another Person in the Trinity—the Father.

4) Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The Son is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).

5) There is subordination within the Trinity. Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship and does not deny the deity of any Person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see Luke 22:42, John 5:36, John 20:21, and 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see John 14:16, 14:26, 15:26, 16:7, and especially John 16:13-14.

6) The individual members of the Trinity have different tasks. The Father is the ultimate source or cause of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); salvation (John 3:16-17); and Jesus' human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father initiates all of these things.

The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); divine revelation (John 1:1, 16:12-15; Matthew 11:27; Revelation 1:1); and salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.

The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and Jesus' works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus, the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.

There have been many attempts to develop illustrations of the Trinity. However, none of the popular illustrations are completely accurate. The egg (or apple) fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves, just as the skin, flesh, and seeds of the apple are parts of it, not the apple itself. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not parts of God; each of them is God. The water illustration is somewhat better, but it still fails to adequately describe the Trinity. Liquid, vapor, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate. An infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration.

The doctrine of the Trinity has been a divisive issue throughout the entire history of the Christian church. While the core aspects of the Trinity are clearly presented in God’s Word, some of the side issues are not as explicitly clear. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God—but there is only one God. That is the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. Beyond that, the issues are, to a certain extent, debatable and non-essential. Rather than attempting to fully define the Trinity with our finite human minds, we would be better served by focusing on the fact of God's greatness and His infinitely higher nature. “Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?” (Romans 11:33-34).

Duvduv said:

Al Masihi, there is no proof that the reference in Matthew about baptizing says anything about a triune God, or that it wasn't added later when the notion of the Trinity emerged. There is no concept of this in any Jewish source at all and is superfluous. After all, Judaism would see nothing wrong with a belief in a God, a holy man and divine inspiration. But it has nothing to do with a triune God.
And since you call yourself Al Masihi, you should know that Islam claims the same thing.

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Friend the baptism is a perfect picture of the Triune Godhead. You have the Son being baptized, The Holy Spirit descending like a dove and the Father speaking from above :]

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour

Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all.

Ephesians 2:18 For through him [Jesus] we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

This last verse shows how Jesus had to call on God and rely on Him.
The Trinity is clearly taught throughout the Old and New Testaments.
I could have provided many more verses showing the Godhood of Jesus Christ and the Spirit.

Duvduv said:

How on earth can the Trinity have been taught in the Hebrew Bible before Jesus appeared on the scene as the Son doing his thing? None of the citations made can possibly prove a triune God. All they do is point to a very mainstream Jewish idea: that there is God himself (i.e. the first commandment of the ten), divine inspiration received by prophets ("ruach ha-kodesh") and holy men who are close to God and considered as his son. But if you want to discuss Genesis about the sons of God marrying the daughters of man, you'll have to assume that the "Son" of the NT had lots of brothers.

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What about Isaiah 9:6?
He (a prophecy about Christ) shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER,, Prince of Peace.
Look at the appearances of Jesus in the OT.
The Captain of the host of the LORD accepting worship. Only God Himself is to be worshiped.
Joshua 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
Joshua 5:15 And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

Compare this with Exodus 3.


Do you know the Son's name?
Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

There are a number of very good lectures by Dr.Heiser. If it's not worth your time then so be it, but they're very educational and beneficial.

Here's another great educational video that you probably won't watch.

Here's another one that might blow your Jewish mind. It would be really worth it.

SPF said:

Here's another one that might blow your Jewish mind. It would be really worth it.

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The divine council is no longer believed by Jews, Christians, or Muslims. It was a hold over from the days that the early Isrealites still practiced henotheism.

Starcomet said:

The divine council is no longer believed by Jews, Christians, or Muslims. It was a hold over from the days that the early Isrealites still practiced henotheism.

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I'm sure Dr.Heiser would disagree with that obviously false assertion.

SPF said:

I'm sure Dr.Heiser would disagree with that obviously false assertion.

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I am sure if you ask a Jew, Christian, or Muslim about the divine council most will have no idea what you were talking about. Some may refer to the angels and God, but most do not veiw God and heaven as a bureaucracy of lesser divine beings that are "sons" of God.

Starcomet said:

I am sure if you ask a Jew, Christian, or Muslim about the divine council most will have no idea what you were talking about. Some may refer to the angels and God, but most do not veiw God and heaven as a bureaucracy of lesser divine beings that are "sons" of God.

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I'm sure most wouldn't because most aren't educated. People's ignorance doesn't mean it isn't true.

If you would like to respond to the content of the video and point out the errors then I would be all ears. But otherwise, you're not really saying anything meaningful.