Is Trump a moral wreck? Is any politician morally correct?
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Trump is similar to Jackson. Both were populists that had no problem throwing people under a bus, figuratively. Jackson even stabbed the Cherokee in the back by rewarding them for their service to America in the Seminole wars with deportation to Oklahoma.
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Seeing how you want to discuss fruit of the Spirit. Lets do that. I dont think politics bears good fruit at all. Tell me if these works of flesh dont sound like politics. Do they?
Galatians 5:19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, [j]factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, [j]factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
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I believe he called the tea party folks racist. They are not all racist however, and there are many racists in Obamas own party. If you want to start calling out spades at least be impartial in your judgment.
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Well, I'm using impartial judgment to call out a spade a spade & say that your claim sounds like a whopper. Your belief that he did this is far from adequate proof that he did. If President Obama actually called the tea party racist there'd be ample proof of that from credible sources, not just Facebook posts or dumb gossip, so post that proof here.
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This takes the meaning of racism out of its historical context. It's an offense to all those people who were lynched, denied service, and treated as second-class simply for being the wrong race.
Merely having justified grievances as a victim is not racism.
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The part where you seemed to think I was claiming tweeting and golfing was sinful. That seemed to be the part giving you trouble, because in context what I was addressing was:
the first two were just part of his having fun, the other ones were also him having fun but I can see why you'd have some trouble understanding that. Let me make it a little simpler:
President Trump is having the time of his life because he's getting to tweet and play golf, which are in themselves not bad. Unfortunately he's also:
which are bad things he enjoys doing. All while some of his Republican/conservative/evangelical base cheer him on while doing the very things they claimed to dislike in every other president in the last 60+years.
tulc(hopes that clears it up W2L)
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Im not searching through articles for that. I'll just withdraw my comment. You should know though that many democrats are racist. I have personally talked to white democrats that dislike black folks and use the N word frequently. There are also black folks in the democratic party that dislike whites.
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You believe or can prove that he called everyone in the tea party racist? Because there's a difference. If you have a link to President Obama saying "Everyone in the tea party is racist!" that would be interesting. If on the other hand this is simply something someone said and you believe it it's simply an opinion.
tulc(just thought that should be pointed out)
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Well, I already did search & found nothing nothing that backed up your accusation so I'm glad you're withdrawing it. I already am well aware of the fact that there's folks in every major political party in the world who are racist, so no duh, that would include the Democratic party. Not everybody in the Tea Party is racist, but there are plenty who are. Many of them also got behind the racist & fully idiotic birther conspiracy crap. I grew up in a rural community in the South, Tea Party land, that hated Obama from the 1st time they laid eyes on him on account of his race. He was never referred to as President Obama by folks around there, but "that black man in the White House", that ____ racial slur. They'd make "jokes" that went like this - "That black man in the White House is too high strung. No, on second thought, the problem is that he's not strung nearly high enough."
Interesting though, the same folks who hated Obama, supported Trump are now mad as wet hens at Trump on account of how his idiotic trade wars have already hurt famers.
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You must admit that the democratic party is seen as the champions of anti racism, however they have many racists in their party. While republicans are seen as racists. I was called a KKK member by some black guys i worked with, simply because i was talking about rush limbaugh and the republican party. They said Rush was a clan member in a suit. Is Rush racist? I never got that impression from him.
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this is the chapter you're talking about, so looking at it in context part of it is a good word for Christians to remember when talking about these things. it also sounds like a description for how President Trump got elected. ...well except for this part of course:Galatians 5 said:
For myself getting involved politically IS a way of helping my neighbor. Silence in the face of oppression and injustice is standing on the side of the oppressor and against those being oppressed. It really is that simple in mt mind. Politics is dirty and hard and hardly ever turns out the way you like. But it's also something some Christians feel led to do. Some Christians aren't. Not everyone is called to climb down into the trenches and fight. And that's ok. Not everyone has the same call in that regard. But not helping the oppressed when we can? as much as we can? No, that's not right.Galatians 5:14 said:
tulc(has personal experience with standing on the side lines when he could have helped and that's not going to happen again if he can help it)
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Curious about if IRL you've told the same tales as on here, claiming that President Obama called the Tea Party racist with nary a bit of proof that he actually did. Things like that could contribute to why your coworkers called you a KKK member.
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galatians says that factions, strife, and dissension are works of the flesh. You seem to be justifying these works of flesh because you think you're fighting for truth. However, if factions, strife and dissension are works of the flesh, how can we fight for truth using the flesh?this is the chapter you're talking about, so looking at it in context part of it is a good word for Christians to remember when talking about these things. it also sounds like a description for how President Trump got elected. ...well except for this part of course:
For myself getting involved politically IS a way of helping my neighbor. Silence in the face of oppression and injustice is standing on the side of the oppressor and against those being oppressed. It really is that simple in mt mind. Politics is dirty and hard and hardly ever turns out the way you like. But it's also something some Christians feel led to do. Some Christians aren't. Not everyone is called to climb down into the trenches and fight. And that's ok. Not everyone has the same call in that regard. But not helping the oppressed when we can? as much as we can? No, that's not right.
tulc(has personal experience with standing on the side lines when he could have helped and that's not going to happen again if he can help it)
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