How to deal with someone who is potentially in hell?

sdowney717 said:

No one in hell?, surprised at some of the comments here.

Proverbs 9:17-18
17 “Stolen water is sweet,
And bread eaten in secret is pleasant.”
18 But he does not know that the dead are there,
That her guests are in the depths of hell. (yup after they died, her guests (johns) went to hellfire)

Isaiah 14:9
“Hell from beneath is excited about you, To meet you at your coming; It stirs up the dead for you, All the chief ones of the earth; It has raised up from their thrones All the kings of the nations.

Ezekiel 31:16
I made the nations shake at the sound of its fall, when I cast it down to hell together with those who descend into the Pit; and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, were comforted in the depths of the earth.
Ezekiel 31:17
They also went down to hell with it, with those slain by the sword; and those who were its strong arm dwelt in its shadows among the nations.
Ezekiel 32:21
The strong among the mighty Shall speak to him out of the midst of hell With those who help him: ‘They have gone down, They lie with the uncircumcised, slain by the sword.’
Ezekiel 32:27
They do not lie with the mighty Who are fallen of the uncircumcised, Who have gone down to hell with their weapons of war; They have laid their swords under their heads, But their iniquities will be on their bones, Because of the terror of the mighty in the land of the living.

Numbers 16:30
But if the Lord creates a new thing, and the earth opens its mouth and swallows them up with all that belongs to them, and they go down alive into the pit, then you will understand that these men have rejected the Lord.”

Numbers 16:32
and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up, with their households and all the men with Korah, with all their goods.

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Not agreeing or disagreeing with you, but depending on the translation used, the old testament use of the world "hell" suddenly becomes "sheol" which changes things a bit.

Colter said:

Someone, perhaps your religious affiliation, has made you feel bad about yourself. God is our Loving Father, and we are his children that he created. He loves us with a fatherly affection. That was the good news of the original gospel. There is either life or death. One who believes in God because they are afraid that they will be tortured for an eternity if they don't, doesn't really believe in a good God.

Love is not secondary to anything in the divine nature.

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I don't feel bad about myself. Not at all. I am forgiven. However if you dismiss hell then there is no need for grace. Grace no longer exists. Grace can only exist if there is wrath and punishment. Christ's death means nothing and is worthless if a hell does not exist.

You are displaying profound ignorance of simple doctrine.

john6574 said:

So,about 5 days ago,you may have seen this on the news but a rapper I listened to named XXXTentacion died when he was being shot because someone was trying to rob him. They took him to the hospital and he was pronounced dead. So out of panic and grief I search up "is xxxtentacion in hell" and watched a few videos of people having visions and dreams of him being dragged into hell by a tiger,and another one he was trapped in a cage in hell by a women who had the dream. He didn't believe in Jesus or anything like that,he believed in future lives,karma etc. So if these things are true,how do I deal with knowing that he is in hell? That chills my spine and he cant ever get out. Ever. But at the same time God knows his heart and he could be in Heaven! Thanks.

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Go outside , stop in front of pedestrian crossing on some random street , wait there for 10 minutes and count people crossing . More than half of them are not saved and are heading to hell , you were watching them crossing the street and going behind you . You probably did nothing about that .
Why I say that ? because some rapper is not more or less important than any other human being , maybe God used him as an example for you to see how it is.

Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Now every time you cross the street you will think about it in different way .

You can deal with it only by preaching the gospel to them , nothing else will help you in that situation. They are free to accept it or reject it but they are rejecting Christ not you , you will have your mind free from guilt .

2 Cor 5:11
Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Invalidusername said:

I don't feel bad about myself. Not at all. I am forgiven. However if you dismiss hell then there is no need for grace. Grace no longer exists. Grace can only exist if there is wrath and punishment. Christ's death means nothing and is worthless if a hell does not exist.

You are displaying profound ignorance of simple doctrine.

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You are portraying the heavenly father as a divided personality—one of justice and one of mercy. You are claiming that our creator is incapable of forgiving the finite, imperfect children that he created unless a mediator is killed??? Divine righteousness is not dominated by strict retributive justice; God as a father transcends God as a judge.


If you dismiss the goodness of God, then there is no need for faith, because religion in its simplest form is the faith-trust in the goodness of God.

What you are portraying is a dysfunctional family wherein everyone "claims" to love Dad with their lips for fear that he might come home and beat them.


You are displaying profound ignorance of the infinite Goodness of God.

God's mercy is unfathomable. All we can do is pray for his soul, and trust in God's mercy.

Colter said:

You are portraying the heavenly father as a divided personality—one of justice and one of mercy. You are claiming that our creator is incapable of forgiving the finite, imperfect children that he created unless a mediator is killed??? Divine righteousness is not dominated by strict retributive justice; God as a father transcends God as a judge.


If you dismiss the goodness of God, then there is no need for faith, because religion in its simplest form is the faith-trust in the goodness of God.

What you are portraying is a dysfunctional family wherein everyone "claims" to love Dad with their lips for fear that he might come home and beat them.


You are displaying profound ignorance of the infinite Goodness of God.

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If God could forgive you without payment then Christ was not God and died in vain .

Bruce Carr said:

No prayers for the dead; pray for the living who still have a choice
What does the Bible say about praying for the dead?

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https://bustedhalo.com/ministry-resources/why-do-catholics-pray-for-the-dead

Chinchilla said:

If God could forgive you without payment then Christ was not God and died in vain .

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You are saying God is not a free will being, that he could not forgive unless his Son was killed unjustly. That's theoretical salvation. In the religion of Jesus salvation was by faith in the Father and the responsibility that comes with it.

God was already forging in the original, pre-cross gospel. That was the "good news". Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.

Jesus never taught that his death was to atone for the sins of mankind. That was an afterthought, a speculation by sacrifice mined believers and more appealing to the Pagan world that ultimately adopted the new gospel about Jesus in place of the original gospel about faith in the father.


The Jews had Jesus put to death for his gospel. Its kind of silly to say that putting him to death was actually the gospel. Death or translation is a part of mans life, Jesus lived the entire life of man.

Hi sdowny,

Well, according to the Revelation, the day will come when God will call all men out of the grave. Then those whose names are not found in the Lamb's Book of Life will be cast into the pit. When Jesus died it is explained that he went into hades, which the Scriptures seem to allow as another name for the grave, to preach.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

LoricaLady said:

You do not know the destiny of XXXTentacion. You don't know if those people who saw him dragged to hell are telling the truth or are even mentally stable.

Wherever he is, there ain't one thing you can do about it. Why stress over it? Your
#1 concern is YOU and YOUR eternal destiny. Have you read the Bible to see who goes to Heaven and who goes to hell?

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The Bible tells us we should not imply or even think specific individuals are going to Hades to await their final destruction in the Lake of Fire -- we don't know their destiny for sure. We see men living evil lives, but we don't see them in their last moments before death. They stop rebelling and resisting sometimes when they get close to death. Then God get a their attention and sometimes they repent.
We can be confident that we are going to heaven if we believe in Jesus.
People have dreams, horrifying ones, but are there any prophets like Daniel around who can interpret these dreams? Did this person's party get interrupted with a ghostly hand that wrote a condemning message on the wall? No.
Don't worry about the dead, their state is fixed and there is nothing you can do about it. God is just and everyone will be judged perfectly who have not received forgiveness. God is perfect, trust Him, He saved you.
He will not save most people though. I believe 1/3 of the population will be saved. There are 2.42 billion Christians (1/3) and that number is almost complete. The gospel has been preaches to the entire world and so as Jesus claimed this would be the time of the end in Matt. 24:14, let it be known, the end is near, Judgment Day is on the horizon for not just one person, but the world of unbelievers.
He draws all men to himself, but they rebel and resist Him, they want to go their own way and so He lets them go.

You are "anxious and troubled about many things, but one thing is needful" namely to hear the Word of God, which is from where only faith comes, but hearing not as in listening, but hear as in submitting to and relying upon.
When we do not stop thinking above [beyond] that which is written, then are we only in the way of exaggeration and over-estimation: we must needs rather to cast down imaginations and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bring into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.
Therefore we must seek those things above, and set our affections on things above, and not on things on the earth.
(Luke 10:38-42)
(Romans 10:17)
(2 Corinthians 10:5)
(Colossians 3:1-2)

john6574 said:

So,about 5 days ago,you may have seen this on the news but a rapper I listened to named XXXTentacion died when he was being shot because someone was trying to rob him. They took him to the hospital and he was pronounced dead. So out of panic and grief I search up "is xxxtentacion in hell" and watched a few videos of people having visions and dreams of him being dragged into hell by a tiger,and another one he was trapped in a cage in hell by a women who had the dream. He didn't believe in Jesus or anything like that,he believed in future lives,karma etc. So if these things are true,how do I deal with knowing that he is in hell? That chills my spine and he cant ever get out. Ever. But at the same time God knows his heart and he could be in Heaven! Thanks.

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I don't know is soul - but I agree a great many people will some day go to hell - what Revelation 20 calls "the lake of fire" and in Matthew 7 Christ says it is only the "Few" that are saved while the "many" are going to hell some day.

In Matthew 10:28 Jesus said "do not fear those who kill the body but are unnable to kill the soul. But rather fear him who is able to destroy (not just kill) BOTH body AND soul in fiery hell"

Christ died on the cross so that no one needs to go to hell and that "whosoever will" may be saved if they will just accept the Gospel via the work of the Holy Spirit.

The good news is that Hell does not currently exist - but one day in the future it will literally exist in full fury, in the literal lake of fire burning the real literal soul and body of the wicked in fire and brimstone until it "destroys both body and soul". read about it in Revelation 20.

Luke 12 says that those who knew the Gospel and yet chose rebellion will get "many stripes" in hell - suffer a lot of torment. And it says those that were relatively ignorant of the Gospel yet did the very same deeds of rebellion will receive "few stripes" - which means suffering less torment before being literally destroyed "both body and soul in (literal) fiery hell".

View media item 59453But your body would die if it were burning in hell???? How would that even work????

sdowney717 said:

Your comments about Christ talking about hell, hades as mythical places demonstrates you do not believe hell exists as a place of punishment for sinners. When the wicked die, they do not sleep, nor do they cease to exist. Everyone has a place of destiny where they go after death, so yes the wicked go to hell fire. Certainly scripture is consistent about the future of the wicked (eternal destruction, endless torment, spiritual death in hell) as it is of heaven (endless spiritual life of good things). The wicked are turned in to hell, and at the end when they are raised up, they along with hell where they exist are thrown in the lake of fire.

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Right, I am currently of the belief that hell most likely does not exist.

I don't mean to patronize you brother, but I know that it can be jarring to have closely held beliefs challenged. We all experience that. You don't have to come to a conclusion on the matter now, but please don't assume your closely held beliefs are necessarily right - especially if the majority of Christianity and pastors believe it also. I can't find an example in Scripture of the majority ever being right - it's always a remnant/minority that have the Truth. Please remember that Jesus Himself was constantly at odds with the religious establishment of the day (the Pharisees and Scribes) and its tradition (the parts of Talmud/Jewish tradition that went against the Torah). The Pharisees and Scribes thought they had understood the Scriptures, but really they had just built up man-made tradition and had ignored the Scriptures (Matthew 15:6-9). There is nothing new under the sun (Ecclesiastes 1:9), which is why we see another religious establishment today in the form of mainstream Christianity that teaches tradition and nullifies the Scriptures - although they do have some of the Truth, like the Pharisees and Scribes did as well.

Now, that said, please review what I've said here and delve into a Hebraic understanding of Scripture through understanding the Hebraic culture. Challenge tradition as Jesus challenged Judaic, man-made tradition.

sdowney717 said:

Following you argument, the entire ministry of the scripture could be turned into parables and flowery language for any part you don't like.

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I might agree with you, IF the person speaking (Jesus) had not explicitly declared that He speaks in parables. Since Jesus explicitly says this, we should look at the parable of Abraham's Bosom as just that - a parable, not a literal event.

Colter said:

View media item 59453But your body would die if it were burning in hell???? How would that even work????

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The body is already dead.

john6574 said:

So,about 5 days ago,you may have seen this on the news but a rapper I listened to named XXXTentacion died when he was being shot because someone was trying to rob him. They took him to the hospital and he was pronounced dead. So out of panic and grief I search up "is xxxtentacion in hell" and watched a few videos of people having visions and dreams of him being dragged into hell by a tiger,and another one he was trapped in a cage in hell by a women who had the dream. He didn't believe in Jesus or anything like that,he believed in future lives,karma etc. So if these things are true,how do I deal with knowing that he is in hell? That chills my spine and he cant ever get out. Ever. But at the same time God knows his heart and he could be in Heaven! Thanks.

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Hey if it makes you feel any better, I tried witnessing to my grandparents before they passed away, one was adamant he didn't need to be forgiven of anything, the other was certain Jesus wasn't God. It sucks, what more can you say. Every time a musician or artist or famous entrepreneur (e.g. Steve Jobs) or so on who inspires you dies and you know they're not christian, it reminds you not to get too attached to this world.

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Colter said:

You are portraying the heavenly father as a divided personality—one of justice and one of mercy. You are claiming that our creator is incapable of forgiving the finite, imperfect children that he created unless a mediator is killed??? Divine righteousness is not dominated by strict retributive justice; God as a father transcends God as a judge.


If you dismiss the goodness of God, then there is no need for faith, because religion in its simplest form is the faith-trust in the goodness of God.

What you are portraying is a dysfunctional family wherein everyone "claims" to love Dad with their lips for fear that he might come home and beat them.


You are displaying profound ignorance of the infinite Goodness of God.

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Hebrews 10:31 "It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

There is judgement and some people will be judged and some will receive mercy. The Bible talks about hell more than heaven. If you ignore that then you do not understand why salvation is necessary.

ValleyGal said:

The body is already dead.

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Well, yea, that's the point, how then could it be tormented for an eternity?

Colter said:

Well, yea, that's the point, how then could it be tormented for an eternity?

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Because our current body is not our future body. Someday we will have an imperishable body. One might even argue that people who go to hell won't even have bodies anymore but suffer in anguish in the spiritual state

Invalidusername said:

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Hebrews 10:31 "It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

There is judgement and some people will be judged and some will receive mercy. The Bible talks about hell more than heaven. If you ignore that then you do not understand why salvation is necessary.

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Following your logic, the Bible is teaching us that we have been created by a monster and we better pretend that we like him or he will put us in a torture place forever and ever! Unless we say some magic words because we fear not to?