Correlation between end times scenario and laboring in the harvest.

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Jesus has already said what will happen.

That doesn't make the hypothetical situation clear.
Yes, but it helps to make it clear that there isn't really a hypothetical possibility, doesn't it?

And I have already offered my take about your hypothetical question. Again, if I remember and understand you correctly > we see how humans have been very unreasonable when God has in fact proven Himself to us. So, even if God used us to thoroughly reach each and every human, including by doing various kind acts and miracles, still ones would refuse.

And the future judgments of God do not depend on how many trust in Jesus. There will be ones to be judged, and the end-time items will mop up before we have the new heaven and the new earth.

But if we do what God has us do, there will be God's result > 1 Corinthians 15:58.
 
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Yes, but it helps to make it clear that there isn't really a hypothetical possibility, doesn't it?

And I have already offered my take about your hypothetical question. Again, if I remember and understand you correctly > we see how humans have been very unreasonable when God has in fact proven Himself to us. So, even if God used us to thoroughly reach each and every human, including by doing various kind acts and miracles, still ones would refuse.

And the future judgments of God do not depend on how many trust in Jesus. There will be ones to be judged, and the end-time items will mop up before we have the new heaven and the new earth.

But if we do what God has us do, there will be God's result > 1 Corinthians 15:58.

so the antichrists parents arent christians?
 
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Yes, but it helps to make it clear that there isn't really a hypothetical possibility, doesn't it?

And I have already offered my take about your hypothetical question. Again, if I remember and understand you correctly > we see how humans have been very unreasonable when God has in fact proven Himself to us. So, even if God used us to thoroughly reach each and every human, including by doing various kind acts and miracles, still ones would refuse.

And the future judgments of God do not depend on how many trust in Jesus. There will be ones to be judged, and the end-time items will mop up before we have the new heaven and the new earth.

But if we do what God has us do, there will be God's result > 1 Corinthians 15:58.

a hypothetical question.
 
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Yes, but it helps to make it clear that there isn't really a hypothetical possibility, doesn't it?

a hypothetical question.
Or, would it be a rhetorical question?

By the way, after Abraham obeyed God by offering up his son Isaac, here is what the LORD said to Abraham >

"'In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.'" (Genesis 22:18)

So, Abraham did all which God had him doing, in this case, and because of one act of obedience "all the nations of the earth shall be blessed".

So, yes obedience does get God's results.

So, then, hypothetically > would more people be blessed if we were more obedient? I would say so. But > our obedience is limited to how well we have matured and grown in how Jesus is obedient. So . . . non-hypothetically, we won't do more than our maturity and God's supply of grace has us succeeding to do.
 
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Or, would it be a rhetorical question?

By the way, after Abraham obeyed God by offering up his son Isaac, here is what the LORD said to Abraham >

"'In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.'" (Genesis 22:18)

So, Abraham did all which God had him doing, in this case, and because of one act of obedience "all the nations of the earth shall be blessed".

So, yes obedience does get God's results.

So, then, hypothetically > would more people be blessed if we were more obedient? I would say so. But > our obedience is limited to how well we have matured and grown in how Jesus is obedient. So . . . non-hypothetically, we won't do more than our maturity and God's supply of grace has us succeeding to do.

Hypothetical feel very vague.
 
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Hypothetical feel very vague.
It can be vague.

And God's ways are "past finding out" (in Romans 11:33); so we may not be able to figure out what would work to get more people evangelized. We could be trying our own ways; and if we obey God in His ways in His love, it looks to me like the apostles often did not have a clue what would happen because of doing what Jesus had them do. They were amazed, dumbfounded, bewildered . . . :)

He does better than we can expect. Then we need to grow so we are able to handle it, often needing correction so we can rightly handle how He has blessed us!
 
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I would say no. Jesus knew and told us what will happen.

But, in theory > let's say we covered the whole earth and talked with every human, every day, and did things to bless every one.

God did this with Israel, in the time of Moses.

Jesus did this while on earth.

How did that work?

But They did that, even though They knew how people would not appreciate God through His Son Jesus.

So, yes with Jesus we do all we can. And we grow in love and in being like Jesus while we do the loving and reaching which They have us doing. And we personally share with God Himself and with one another, in His own love, while we keep caring and reaching and blessing.

God's ways are so hard to get.

Unbelievers didnt ask to be born, didn't ask to not have a real opportunity to accept Christ, so the fact there is no second chances after this life when there was no real opportunity in the first life, is so hard to make sense of.

The combination of everything is so hard to make sense of. If there was an eternal hell but angels preached the gospel to everyone, this would be easier to make sense of.
 
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@Sammy-San > whether we agree or not, I offer that you have make yourself very clear.
God's ways are so hard to get.
Our Apostle Paul says God's ways are "past finding out." (in Romans 11:33) Even so > in God's love we can live in His ways, even though we can not figure them out! :) In a close relationship in God's love, His ways make our relating better than we can figure out and control. Because God is creative, always bringing us to more and better.

Unbelievers didnt ask to be born, didn't ask to not have a real opportunity to accept Christ, so the fact there is no second chances after this life when there was no real opportunity in the first life, is so hard to make sense of.
You can consider Romans 9:21. Each person does have a purpose. Each one is a vessel for something, for carrying it somewhere. So, a person gets started in this life, then moves on to one's eternal purpose. There is no need to come back here.

There are drinking cups running over with love's refreshing water to other cups. We get started in this life, then in our resurrection we become so much more His cups of His living and loving waters.

But also there are sewer buckets for carrying "bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking" and "malice" (Ephesians 4:31-32), which we are told to get rid of so this stuff is not being transported by us to where it is going. When people are resurrected after living selfishly, then is when they will reap so much more of this stuff, and on they will go to its place which burns with fire and brimstone which contain and control it, since it is so stubborn. And those dominating and dictatorial lusts for pleasure are also so stubborn and dishonest, that only fire of hell can manage them.

And God knows what is in each human, whether he or she has heard the Gospel or not. I have been informed how people in back isolated jungle cultures can have ongoing vendettas of unforgiveness. Even if they have never heard of Jesus, they do have the nature to be unforgiving and therefore so anti-Christ. God knows what would happen if any of them met Jesus. There are people who met Jesus and they were totally against forgiveness, so that they hated and tortured and nailed and murdered Jesus. And they could be in a lot more trouble, than ones who have never done that to Jesus but who indeed have unforgiveness which is anti-Jesus.

So, in any case, make sure you are all-forgiving. It can be a trick to make issues about God, so we avoid dealing with how we ourselves are the ones who need correction. And when we have done wrong, we can be tricked into worrying about consequences and being rejected, instead of dealing with how we have done what is wrong.

Jesus is so greater and better than explanations and damage control >

"'Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:28-29)

The combination of everything is so hard to make sense of. If there was an eternal hell but angels preached the gospel to everyone, this would be easier to make sense of.
And if the angels were doing all the work, you could then say, "Oh, I don't need to do anything, because the angels are doing it all." And you could excuse yourself to hide so you do not face persecution and suffering for Jesus.

But we do go through things for Christ, and it is more than we can handle so that we can be asking "why?" And we can't figure things out and make sense of things. But then God's grace takes us closer to Him, and this is what it's about . . . how we learn to trust and depend only on the LORD and share more and more with Him and others who are submitting to how our Heavenly Father rules us in His own peace > Colossians 3:15.

So, like this, an answer to your concerns is you need to get closer to Jesus in order to get the understanding which will really do you good. You need to first submit to God and depend only on Him.

And we answer to Him.

So - - - if we are doubting God, what might God be doing, right now?

Maybe He is in doubt of us?????

If you knew someone was doubting you, when they do not even know you, and you knew they were bringing up issues which were decoying the person from getting to know you > you might doubt that person! Galatians 4:20
 
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@Sammy-San > whether we agree or not, I offer that you have make yourself very clear. Our Apostle Paul says God's ways are "past finding out." (in Romans 11:33) Even so > in God's love we can live in His ways, even though we can not figure them out! :) In a close relationship in God's love, His ways make our relating better than we can figure out and control. Because God is creative, always bringing us to more and better.

You can consider Romans 9:21. Each person does have a purpose. Each one is a vessel for something, for carrying it somewhere. So, a person gets started in this life, then moves on to one's eternal purpose. There is no need to come back here.

There are drinking cups running over with love's refreshing water to other cups. We get started in this life, then in our resurrection we become so much more His cups of His living and loving waters.

But also there are sewer buckets for carrying "bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking" and "malice" (Ephesians 4:31-32), which we are told to get rid of so this stuff is not being transported by us to where it is going. When people are resurrected after living selfishly, then is when they will reap so much more of this stuff, and on they will go to its place which burns with fire and brimstone which contain and control it, since it is so stubborn. And those dominating and dictatorial lusts for pleasure are also so stubborn and dishonest, that only fire of hell can manage them.

And God knows what is in each human, whether he or she has heard the Gospel or not. I have been informed how people in back isolated jungle cultures can have ongoing vendettas of unforgiveness. Even if they have never heard of Jesus, they do have the nature to be unforgiving and therefore so anti-Christ. God knows what would happen if any of them met Jesus. There are people who met Jesus and they were totally against forgiveness, so that they hated and tortured and nailed and murdered Jesus. And they could be in a lot more trouble, than ones who have never done that to Jesus but who indeed have unforgiveness which is anti-Jesus.

So, in any case, make sure you are all-forgiving. It can be a trick to make issues about God, so we avoid dealing with how we ourselves are the ones who need correction. And when we have done wrong, we can be tricked into worrying about consequences and being rejected, instead of dealing with how we have done what is wrong.

Jesus is so greater and better than explanations and damage control >

"'Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:28-29)

And if the angels were doing all the work, you could then say, "Oh, I don't need to do anything, because the angels are doing it all." And you could excuse yourself to hide so you do not face persecution and suffering for Jesus.

But we do go through things for Christ, and it is more than we can handle so that we can be asking "why?" And we can't figure things out and make sense of things. But then God's grace takes us closer to Him, and this is what it's about . . . how we learn to trust and depend only on the LORD and share more and more with Him and others who are submitting to how our Heavenly Father rules us in His own peace > Colossians 3:15.

So, like this, an answer to your concerns is you need to get closer to Jesus in order to get the understanding which will really do you good. You need to first submit to God and depend only on Him.

And we answer to Him.

So - - - if we are doubting God, what might God be doing, right now?

Maybe He is in doubt of us?????

If you knew someone was doubting you, when they do not even know you, and you knew they were bringing up issues which were decoying the person from getting to know you > you might doubt that person! Galatians 4:20

Why didnt God give all the most possible opportunity to come to salvation?
 
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Why didnt God give all the most possible opportunity to come to salvation?
Romans 9:21 is one scripture I go by, about this.

And trust God to have me do all He has me do to help people to become children of God and find out how to relate with God and love as Jesus' family.

And, I simple understand from the scriptures that God is in control. And I now get that God is present with every person on this earth; so whether or not each one hears a human preach the Gospel, God is right there, Himself, with every human . . . born or unborn. And He is doing exactly all He sees fit with each one.

And, in my Post #49, above, I have already offered how God is accomplishing His purpose with each human. So, whether they hear the Gospel or not, they have God Himself, and our prayer. And we do what God has us doing, and we understand that God uses all He has us doing > 1 Corinthians 15:58.
 
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Romans 9:21 is one scripture I go by, about this.

And trust God to have me do all He has me do to help people to become children of God and find out how to relate with God and love as Jesus' family.

And, I simple understand from the scriptures that God is in control. And I now get that God is present with every person on this earth; so whether or not each one hears a human preach the Gospel, God is right there, Himself, with every human . . . born or unborn. And He is doing exactly all He sees fit with each one.

And, in my Post #49, above, I have already offered how God is accomplishing His purpose with each human. So, whether they hear the Gospel or not, they have God Himself, and our prayer. And we do what God has us doing, and we understand that God uses all He has us doing > 1 Corinthians 15:58.

Was my statement wrong?
 
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Was my statement wrong?
Why didnt God give all the most possible opportunity to come to salvation?
If this is what you mean by your statement > I would say people do not all get the exact same opportunity.

So, your statement might be correct, but how you understand it needs to be evaluated.

And I have offered how God has His purpose for each person; and therefore I can see that He would not do the same things with each and every person. But how He relates with each of us is in accordance with His overall purpose. Evil people are serving His purpose, somehow, while children of God are fulfilling His purpose.
 
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Romans 1:19-32 tells us that people can be aware of a Creator God from His invisible attributes and His works. They have no excuse to deny Him and will constitute the vast majority of humankind that will fail to gain Eternal life. Jesus said that only a few will attain it.....thru the narrow doorway.
Pray and work toward your salvation and the reward of immortality!
 
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Romans 1:19-32 tells us that people can be aware of a Creator God from His invisible attributes and His works. They have no excuse to deny Him and will constitute the vast majority of humankind that will fail to gain Eternal life. Jesus said that only a few will attain it.....thru the narrow doorway.
Pray and work toward your salvation and the reward of immortality!

How does that apply to those who don't know the gospel but know there's a God?
 
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I would say no. Jesus knew and told us what will happen.

But, in theory > let's say we covered the whole earth and talked with every human, every day, and did things to bless every one.

God did this with Israel, in the time of Moses.

Jesus did this while on earth.

How did that work?

But They did that, even though They knew how people would not appreciate God through His Son Jesus.

So, yes with Jesus we do all we can. And we grow in love and in being like Jesus while we do the loving and reaching which They have us doing. And we personally share with God Himself and with one another, in His own love, while we keep caring and reaching and blessing.

God has given enough proof, that you dont say "People go to hell because Christians dont evangelize as much as they can"-the burden isnt on us.

We know this present world wont be fully Christian ever. Many souls dont have anyone praying for them and not enough people are praying for revivals for everyone to be fully converted. But that doesnt mean Christians are the reason people go to hell.
 
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How does that apply to those who don't know the gospel but know there's a God?
God is the just and all-knowing Judge.
He will reward or punish as each deserve.
 
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The 8 Kings Of Revelation

The church is taken in tribulation, the unsaved world is left there, the antichrist and false prophet are there. Would this situation have happened if christians had evangelized as much as they could have?

If you're assuming the idea of a pre-trib rapture is what is going to happen, then you might want to take a closer look at the end of Luke 17 where Christ's disciples asked just "Where, Lord" the first ones 'taken'... would be taken to. And then compare Matthew 24:28 about the dead carcase to what Jesus answered there in Luke 17.

In other words, those in Christ Jesus DO NOT want to be the first one 'taken'. In the two working in the field metaphor, the first one taken is to the Antichrist and his host.

Luke 17:36-37
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said unto them, "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."
KJV

Matt 24:28
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV


Sorry, but the Left-Behind stories are all a lie, they are not Biblical.
 
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