SHADOW LAWS OF THE OLD COVENANT FULFILLED IN THE NEW? COL 2

klutedavid · Jun 20, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello David, your a funny one.

Glad you think so.

Your response here only shows you did not read the post and the scriptures you are responding to, or you are disagreeing simply for the sake of a disagreement.

I did read your post.

The point being made with the post and scriptures is to show the ORIGIN of where the name ISRAEL comes from, and who are ISRAEL in the OLD and NEW Testament.

The origin of the name, 'Israel', is not what we are discussing.

* You do agree that the promise from God was to make Abraham's seed a great nation correct?

Of course we agree as that is what the scripture states. Actually Abraham was the father of many nations and not just one. We are discussing whether Gentiles become Jews by the way, not the origin of Israel.

* You do agree that Jacab was a descendent or from the seed of Abraham correct?

Nothing to do with the topic we are discussing.

* It was Jacob that took the birthright from Esau and wrestled with the Angel then latter God blessed Jacab and changed his name to ISRAEL correct?

Nothing to do with the subject. The Hebrew for 'angel' is messenger, Jacob wrestled with a messenger from God.

ISRAEL

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[formally, Jacob] then had 12 sons that made up the 12 tribes of ISRAEL [formally, Jacob] correct?

This has nothing to do with the Gentiles being grafted into the nation of Israel.

The fourth son of ISRAEL [formally, Jacob] was Judah correct? According to the Bible this is the root or origin of the Jews who are all descendents [or the seed] of Abraham.

Irrelevant to our discussion.

According to scripture then, Abraham is the father of all ISRAEL including the Jews who's origin is from the tribe or Judah and latter included some of the other tribes.

You need to clarify this point with the scripture.

Abraham is the father of ALL ISRAEL?

Just some interesting artivles (side interest)

Who is a Jew [Judaism 101]

Origins of the Words "Jew" and "Judaism"
The original name for the people we now call Jews was Hebrews. The word "Hebrew" (in Hebrew, "Ivri") is first used in the Torah to describe Abraham (Gen. 14:13). The word is apparently derived from the name Eber, one of Abraham's ancestors. Another tradition teaches that the word comes from the word "eyver," which means "the other side," referring to the fact that Abraham came from the other side of the Euphrates, or referring to the fact Abraham was separated from the other nations morally and spiritually.

Another name used for the people is Children of Israel or Israelites, which refers to the fact that the people are descendants of Jacob, who was also called Israel.

The word "Jew" (in Hebrew, "Yehudi") is derived from the name Judah, which was the name of one of Jacob's twelve sons. Judah was the ancestor of one of the tribes of Israel, which was named after him. Likewise, the word Judaism literally means "Judah-ism," that is, the religion of the Yehudim. Other sources, however, say that the word "Yehudim" means "People of G-d," because the first three letters of "Yehudah" are the same as the first three letters of G-d's four-letter name.

Originally, the term Yehudi referred specifically to members of the tribe of Judah, as distinguished from the other tribes of Israel. However, after the death of King Solomon, the nation of Israel was split into two kingdoms: the kingdom of Judah and the kingdom of Israel (I Kings 12; II Chronicles 10). After that time, the word Yehudi could properly be used to describe anyone from the kingdom of Judah, which included the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi, as well as scattered settlements from other tribes. The most obvious biblical example of this usage is in Esther 2:5, where Mordecai is referred to as both a Yehudi and a member of the tribe of Benjamin.

Origins [Jews from wiki]

According to the Hebrew Bible narrative, Jewish ancestry is traced back to the Biblical patriarchs such as Abraham, his son Isaac, Isaac's son Jacob, and the Biblical matriarchs Sarah, Rebecca, Leah, and Rachel, who lived in Canaan. The Twelve Tribes are described as descending from the twelve sons of Jacob. Jacob and his family migrated to Ancient Egypt after being invited to live with Jacob's son Joseph by the Pharaoh himself. The patriarchs' descendants were later enslaved until the Exodus led by Moses, after which the Israelites conquered Canaan under Moses' successor Joshua, went through the period of the Biblical judges after the death of Joshua, then through the mediation of Samuel became subject to a king, Saul, who was succeeded by David and then Solomon, after whom the United Monarchy ended and was split into a separate Kingdom of Israel and a Kingdom of Judah. The Kingdom of Judah is described as comprising the Tribe of Judah, the Tribe of Benjamin, and partially the Tribe of Levi, and later adding other tribes who migrated there from the Kingdom of Israel.[74][75] Modern Jews claim lineage from the Tribes of Judah and Benjamin since the ten northern tribes were lost following Assyrian captivity.

No idea why you quoted all this?

Now David, your comment that Abraham is not a Jew is irrelavant to the point shown through the scriptures that were posted in post # 394 linked.

The nation of Israel are the literal offspring of Abraham, then Isaac, then Jacob, e.t.c. Abraham has nothing to do with what we are discussing and there is no such thing as ALL ISRAEL.

Abraham is the father of all ISRAEL including the Jews [Judah] according to the scriptures.

The term, 'ALL ISRAEL', needs to be supported by scripture.
Still you have not supported your claim that Gentiles become national Jews.

* ISRAEL is a name given by God to all his people that BELIEVE and FOLLOW him.

You need to cite the scripture.

* All those in the NEW COVENANT who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD according to the scriptures are God's ISRAEL.

You keep repeating your claim.

* If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL then you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT promise.

Gentiles are grafted into the new covenant.

Hope this helps.

No help whatsoever, you need to prove that Gentiles become Jews!

LoveGodsWord · Jun 20, 2018

klutedavid said:
Glad you think so.
I did read your post. The origin of the name, 'Israel', is not what we are discussing. Nothing to do with the topic we are discussing.

Actually yes and no. That section of the post was written because when provided scripture to show how there is no Jew or Gentiles and we are all one in Christ, your reply was Abrham is not a Jew. What this has to do with the topic of conversation I have no idea.

The section on the origin of the name of ISRAEL was to show that the name of ISRAEL is a name given by God as a result his promise to Abraham to make his seed (decendence) as the sand of the seashore and the stars of heaven. This was fulfilled through Jacob as he wrestled with the Angel God and prevailed, God changed his name to ISRAEL.

Jacob had 12 sons that made up the 12 tribes of ISRAEL one of which was Judah where the origin of Jews come from. This was all provided to show that Abraham is the father of ALL ISRAEL including the JEWS.

klutedavid said:
Of course we agree as that is what the scripture states. Actually Abraham was the father of many nations and not just one.

Side issue as to what we are discussing we are discussing ISREAL who are those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD.

klutedavid said:
LGW wrote: Now David, your comment that Abraham is not a Jew is irrelavant to the point shown through the scriptures that were posted in post # 394 linked.

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The nation of Israel are the literal offspring of Abraham, then Isaac, then Jacob, e.t.c. Abraham has nothing to do with what we are discussing and there is no such thing as ALL ISRAEL.

Of course it has everything to do with what we are discussing who is the father of all ISRAEL? Abraham. This is who God made his promise to him and his decendence (ISRAEL).

Literal ISRAEL is not God's ISRAEL but those who take hold of the promise...

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

klutedavid said:
LGW wrote: Abraham is the father of all ISRAEL including the Jews [Judah] according to the scriptures.

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The term, 'ALL ISRAEL', needs to be supported by scripture. Still you have not supported your claim that Gentiles become national Jews.

It term "ALL ISRAEL" is supported by scripture because Abraham is the father of Jacob whos name was changed by God to ISRAEL [GENESIS 32:24-28]. ISRAEL [JACOB] has 12 sons that made up the 12 tribes of ISRAEL [GENESIS 35:22-26]. Are you sure you even read the post? It does not seem as if you have.

klutedavid said:
LGW wrote; * ISRAEL is a name given by God to all his people that BELIEVE and FOLLOW him.

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You need to cite the scripture.

Are you sure you read the post?

* God's name ISRAEL given to Jacob and his 12 sons make up the 12 tribes of ISRAEL [GENESIS 32:24-28; GENESIS 35:22-26] in the OLD TESTAMENT.

* NEW COVENANT PROMISE GIVEN TO ISRAEL [JEREMIAH 31:31-35; HEBREWS 8:10-12]

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

If you are all once in Christ you are Abrahams seed. Abrahams seed is ISRAEL this is why the ORIGIN of ISRAEL was posted earlier.

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

Scripture is saying you are not truly Abrahams seed (ISRAEL) if you are in the flesh [G4561 sinful human nature] These are not the children of God. It is the Children of the promise who are counted for the seed

Now listen to Jesus talking to the Jews...

JOHN 8:31-39
[31], Then said Jesus to those Jews who believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed;
[32], And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
[33], They answered him, We are Abraham's descendants, and were never in bondage to any man: how say you, You shall be made free?
[34], Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin.
[35], And the servant abides not in the house forever: but the Son abides ever.
[36], If the Son therefore shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.
[37], I know that you are Abraham's descendant; but you seek to kill me, because my word has no place in you.
[38], I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and you do that which you have seen with your father.
[39], They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus said unto them, If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham.

Jesus is saying the same thing as Paul in ROMANS 9:6-8 above. God's ISRAEL under the NEW COVENANT is not being a decendent of Abraham it is CONTINUING in God's WORD by BELIEVING and FOLLOWING it.

The children of the promise are counted for the seed (ROMANS 9:8) ...

HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the HOUSE OF ISRAEL after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:[11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.[12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

continuing this same line of thinking from Jesus and Paul earlier...

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

This is the NEW COVENANT promise [Children of the promise ROMANS 9:8]

Once again repeater in Colossians..

COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

God's ISRAEL are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD...

ROMANS 10:11-13 [11], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12], FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

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Now all of the above scriptures show that no one is ISRAEL under the NEW COVENANT because they are a decendent of ISRAEL. WE are Abrahams seed [ISRAEL] according to the promise of God writing his LAW in our heart to BELIEVE and FOLLOW him.

Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL...

ROMANS 11:16-27
[16], For if the firstfruit are holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

The root represents Christ...

[17], And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them partake of the root and fatness of the olive tree.

The Jewish and the Gentile believers are the branches grafted onto the root (Christ)...

[18], Boast not against the branches. But if you boast, you bear not the root, but the root you.
[19], You will say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
[20], Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Be not arrogant, but fear:

God's ISRAEL are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD...

[21], For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also not spare you.
[22], Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness: otherwise you also shall be cut off.
[23], And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
[24], For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, who are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
[25], For I would not, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.
[26], And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

The NEW COVENANT is for both Jews and Greek, bond and free, all those who are in Christ. All in Christ are the seed of Abraham [ISRAEL] and heirs according to the promise.

[27], For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL.

If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.

So yep plenty of scripture provided to show who God's ISRAEL are in the NEW COVENANT. It seems you did not read the posts you were responding to.

Hope this helps.

Pyong Ping · Aug 2, 2018

They say, "Jewish sabbath", or "sabbath of the Jews" (with a sneer; they are jew-haters, because they are in reality Christ-haters, who is a Jew)

Jesus was the Jew (Revelation 5:5). They crucified "the Jew". They crucify Him again, by calling it that "jewish" law, sabbath.

King of the Jews.
LORD of the Sabbath.

These pierce the heart of His Law. They might as well crown it with thorns, claim it is sin to obey God in His commandment, and complete the task. Bury it out of sight ... Close it away in the darkness. Put a seal on it forever so you do not have to think about it any more, eh?

Who did all those things?

Rome natural.

Who does the spiritual?

Rome spiritual (papal). A 'wolf' (symbol of Rome) in sheeps (symbol of Christ) clothing.

Type and antitype.

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

LoveGodsWord · Aug 5, 2018

Pyong Ping said:
They say, "Jewish sabbath", or "sabbath of the Jews" (with a sneer; they are jew-haters, because they are in reality Christ-haters, who is a Jew)

Jesus was the Jew (Revelation 5:5). They crucified "the Jew". They crucify Him again, by calling it that "jewish" law, sabbath.

King of the Jews.
LORD of the Sabbath.

These pierce the heart of His Law. They might as well crown it with thorns, claim it is sin to obey God in His commandment, and complete the task. Bury it out of sight ... Close it away in the darkness. Put a seal on it forever so you do not have to think about it any more, eh?

Who did all those things?

Rome natural.

Who does the spiritual?

Rome spiritual (papal). A 'wolf' (symbol of Rome) in sheeps (symbol of Christ) clothing.

Type and antitype.

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Indeed, there is no such thing as a Jewish Sabbath. The Sabbath was man for man [mankind, human beings] and given to mankind before Jews ever existed and Jesus is the LORD of it [Mark 2:27-28]

LoveGodsWord · Sep 30, 2018

Pyong Ping said:
They say, "Jewish sabbath", or "sabbath of the Jews" (with a sneer; they are jew-haters, because they are in reality Christ-haters, who is a Jew)

Jesus was the Jew (Revelation 5:5). They crucified "the Jew". They crucify Him again, by calling it that "jewish" law, sabbath.

King of the Jews.
LORD of the Sabbath.

These pierce the heart of His Law. They might as well crown it with thorns, claim it is sin to obey God in His commandment, and complete the task. Bury it out of sight ... Close it away in the darkness. Put a seal on it forever so you do not have to think about it any more, eh?

Who did all those things?

Rome natural.

Who does the spiritual?

Rome spiritual (papal). A 'wolf' (symbol of Rome) in sheeps (symbol of Christ) clothing.

Type and antitype.

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Yes thanks for sharing. There is a lot of truth in your posts brother.

LoveGodsWord · Nov 5, 2018

WHAT WAS PAUL REFERRING TO IN COLOSSIAN 2:16-17

Old Testament references to Col 2:16-17; with the same scripture context:

Colossians 2:16-17,
Let no man therefore judge you in (1) meat, or in drink, or in respect of an (2) feastival, or of the (3) new moon, or of the (4) sabbath(s): Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

points to..

Ezekiel 45:17-21,
It shall be the prince’s duty to furnish the (1) burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the (2) feasts, the (3) new moons, and the (4) Sabbaths, at all the appointed (2) feasts of the house of Israel: he shall provide the sin offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings, and peace offerings, to make atonement on behalf of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel. Thus says the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary: And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court. And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erred, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house. In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the Passover, a Feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten.

1 CHRONICLES 23:31 and whenever (1) burnt offerings were presented to the LORD on the (4) Sabbaths, at the (3) New Moon (2) feasts and at the appointed festivals. They were to serve before the LORD regularly in the proper number and in the way prescribed for them.

2 CHRONICLES 2:4 [4] Now I am about to build a temple for the Name of the LORD my God and to dedicate it to him for burning fragrant incense before him, for setting out the consecrated bread regularly, and for making (1) burnt offerings every morning and evening and on the (4) Sabbaths, at the (3) New Moons and at the appointed (2) festivals of the LORD our God. This is a lasting ordinance for Israel.

HOSEA 2:11 [11], I will stop all her celebrations: her (2) yearly festivals, her (3) New Moons, her (4) Sabbaths and all her (2) appointed festivals.

It is interesting to note in the Old Testament the word Sabbath (shabbath 7676 from shabath 7673 meaning “rest”) is not only used for the weekly Sabbath but is also applied to the first and last days of the annual Jewish Festivals. The Greek Word used in Col 2:16 is Sabbaton simply means to cease from secular work; rest.

The monthly New Moon Sabbaths in relation to these festivals as well as the Holy convocations (Sabbaton to cease from work and rest) could fall on any day of the week depending on the year the festival was starting. The Holy convocations were to start the beginning of the annual Jewish feasts. They were to be rest (Sabbath) days (not to be confused with God’s commandment) and restricted or no work was to be done. (Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29)

A High Sabbath day however was when I Holy convocation annual feast day falls on the same day as God’s weekly Sabbath commandment (Ex 20:8-11). This is an extension of the term "high day" found in the King James Version at John 19:31-42. The seven festivals do not necessarily occur on weekly Shabbat (seventh-day Sabbath) and are called by the name miqra ("called assembly") in Hebrew (Lev. 23). Three of them occur in spring: the first and seventh days of Pesach (Passover), and Shavuot (Pentecost) which occurs in summer. Three occur in fall, in the seventh month, and are also called shabbaton: Rosh Hashanah (Trumpets); Yom Kippur, the "Sabbath of Sabbaths" (Atonement); and the first and eighth days of Sukkoth (Tabernacles). Sometimes the word shabbaton is extended to mean all seven festivals. The Gospel of John says of the night immediately following Christ's burial that "that sabbath day was a high day" (19:31-42). That night was Nisan 15, just after the first day of Passover week (Unleavened Bread) and an annual miqra and rest day, in most chronologies. The King James Version may thus be the origin of naming the annual rest days "High Sabbaths" in English (source: wiki).

All of the above have their origin from the ceremonial laws of Moses found in Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29. All these references are in connection to; (1) Food and Drink offerings, (2) Feast days, (3) New Moons and (4) annual feast Sabbath(s)

So in summary, it should be very clear that Col 2:14-17 is referring to the ceremonial laws of Moses along with the annual Jewish feast days that all pointed to the coming of Jesus. When Jesus died on the cross the Jewish feasts along with the burnt offerings, food and drink offerings, festivals and New Moon festival Sabbath(s) which all pointed to Jesus where a shadow of things to come. Many of the feast days (holy convocations) in Lev 23 where no work days in the Greek Col 2:16 were Sabbaton cease from secular work and rest.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

LoveGodsWord · Jan 7, 2019

Bump for those interested in COL 2 have a look at the OP here.

LoveGodsWord · Jan 8, 2019

Interesting quote on the SHADOW SABBATHS from wiki...

A High Sabbath day however was when I Holy convocation annual feast day falls on the same day as God’s weekly Sabbath commandment (Ex 20:8-11). This is an extension of the term "high day" found in the King James Version at John 19:31-42. The seven festivals do not necessarily occur on weekly Shabbat (seventh-day Sabbath) and are called by the name miqra ("called assembly") in Hebrew (Lev. 23). Three of them occur in spring: the first and seventh days of Pesach (Passover), and Shavuot (Pentecost) which occurs in summer. Three occur in fall, in the seventh month, and are also called shabbaton: Rosh Hashanah (Trumpets); Yom Kippur, the "Sabbath of Sabbaths" (Atonement); and the first and eighth days of Sukkoth (Tabernacles). Sometimes the word shabbaton is extended to mean all seven festivals. The Gospel of John says of the night immediately following Christ's burial that "that sabbath day was a high day" (JOHN 19:31-42). That night was Nisan 15, just after the first day of Passover week (Unleavened Bread) and an annual miqra and rest day, in most chronologies. The King James Version may thus be the origin of naming the annual rest days "High Sabbaths" in English (source: wiki).

LoveGodsWord · Feb 20, 2019

The conclusion of this thread as shown in the OP is that COLOSSIANS 2:11-17 is talking about the SHADOW LAWS in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7; COLOSSIANS 2:14-17 and not God's ETERNAL LAWS (10 Commandments). COLOSSIANS 2:16 is in reference to the ANNUAL FEASTS DAYS and the "SPECIAL SHADOW sabbaths" (not God's 4th Commandment) connected to the ANNUAL FEAST of the BLOWING OF TRUMPETS *LEVITICUS 23:24; DAY OF ATONEMENT *LEVITICUS 23:32
and the FEAST OF TABERNACLES *LEVITICUS 23:39. All of these "special shadow sabbaths" were not God's 4th commandment weekly Sabbath. These sabbaths that were connected soley to the FEASTS could fall on ANY DAY of the WEEK depending on the YEARLY cycle and like the FEAST DAYS were prophetic in nature pointing to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

If there is no scripture that says God’s 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day, who should we BELIEVE and FOLLOW, the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God or the WORD of GOD *MATTHEW 15:3-9; ROMANS 3:4

In times of IGNORANCE when we do not know any better God winks at but when God sends us a KNOWLEDGE of the truth through his WORD (JOHN 17:17) He calls all men everywhere to BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORDs *ACTS 17:30-31.

God's Sheep hear His Voice (the WORD of God).

BobRyan · Feb 20, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
SHADOWS OF COLOSSIANS 2:14-17 PART 1 (Old thread linked here)

This thread is a scripture study on COL 2 focusing on the Shadow laws from the OLD COEVENANT for remission of sin that point to the new. Many of these posts are from a previous thread also from different sources telling the same story as a scripture study on the real meaning of COL 2. Everything we have in the NEW TESTAMENT comes from the OLD. So in order to understand the NEW Testament we need to understand what these scriptures are referring to in the OLD TESTAMENT. In the days of Jesus and the Apostles the OLD Testament was the Bible. Everything in the NEW Comes from the OLD and everything in the OLD points to the NEW..

So, what is Col. 2{16} really talking about?

Let's use the scriptures interpret scripture......

COL. 2 [16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an HOLYDAY, or of the NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH DAY(S) <plural>:

EZEKIEL 45 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give BURNT OFFERINGS, and MEAT OFFERINGS, and DRINK OFFERINGS, in the FEASTS, and in the NEW MOONS, and in the SABBATH(S), in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

Here’s a scripture, same exact order as Col 2{16}, meat, drink, holy days (feast days), new moons, Sabbath(s). No doubt what so ever these 2 scriptures are speaking of the same thing. See how that on those days there was a sin offering made. The blood of Christ is now that offering. Col.2 and Ezekiel 45 are simply speaking of the meat and drink offerings which were written in the Mosaic law contained within the ordinances which were to take place on Gods annual festivals, new moons and His annual ceremonial Sabbath days and Holy convocations (Leviticus 23).

That is a good point - but the text does not say "ignore scripture" when it comes to these things - and in fact Paul himself was still engaged in some of that ceremonial law stuff when it comes to taking a vow in the temple with other Jews, and stopping to observe a number of the Lev 23 annual Sabbaths.

The chapter is not written out of a concern to make sure that enough of the Bible "gets ignored". It is written because of man-made story telling, people "making stuff up", adding their own rules to scripture.

The sort of "judge not that you be not judged" that was also a concern before the cross with ALL the ceremonial laws in place -- see Matthew 7

LoveGodsWord · Feb 20, 2019

BobRyan said:
That is a good point - but the text does not say "ignore scripture" when it comes to these things - and in fact Paul himself was still engaged in some of that ceremonial law stuff when it comes to taking a vow in the temple with other Jews, and stopping to observe a number of the Lev 23 annual Sabbaths.

The chapter is not written out of a concern to make sure that enough of the Bible "gets ignored". It is written because of man-made story telling, people "making stuff up", adding their own rules to scripture.

The sort of "judge not that you be not judged" that was also a concern before the cross with ALL the ceremonial laws in place -- see Matthew 7

Indeed, good points Bob, sadly I think many are mislead over COLOSSIANS 2:16-17 because they do not read all of God's WORD for themselves. Everything we have from the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures come from the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures and people today are taught today in the mainstream churches to follow man made teachings that have led many to break the commandments of God *MATTHEW 15:3-9 which have been handed down by the RCC.

It is clear looking at the scriptures that PAUL in COLOSSIANS 2:14-16 is referring to the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures from the laws in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT and the SHADOW laws and sabbaths from the ANNUAL FEAST days *LEVITICUS 23:24; LEVITICUS 23:32; LEVITICUS 23:39. These "SPECIAL" Sabbath could fall on any day and were connected directly to these festivals that were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

There is many OLD TESTAMENT scriptures showing what PAUL is quoting from in

COLOSSIANS 2:16 [16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an HOLYDAY [FEASTIVALS], or of the NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH DAYS <plural>:

PAUL'S within scriptures CONTEXT and use of COLOSSIANS 2:16-17 is in reference to the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures.

EZEKIEL 45:17 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give BURNT OFFERINGS, and MEAT OFFERINGS, and DRINK OFFERINGS, in the FEASTS, and in the NEW MOONS, and in the SABBATHS, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

Many more scriptures showing the links from the OLD to the NEW in the OP. Thanks for sharing your thoughts Bob and nice to see you.

God bless

JLB777 · Feb 25, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Indeed, good points Bob, sadly I think many are mislead over COLOSSIANS 2:16-17 because they do not read all of God's WORD for themselves. Everything we have from the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures come from the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures and people today are taught today in the mainstream churches to follow man made teachings that have led many to break the commandments of God *MATTHEW 15:3-9 which have been handed down by the RCC.

It is clear looking at the scriptures that PAUL in COLOSSIANS 2:14-16 is referring to the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures from the laws in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT and the SHADOW laws and sabbaths from the ANNUAL FEAST days *LEVITICUS 23:24; LEVITICUS 23:32; LEVITICUS 23:39. These "SPECIAL" Sabbath could fall on any day and were connected directly to these festivals that were prophetic in nature pointing to Jesus and God's plan of Salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

There is many OLD TESTAMENT scriptures showing what PAUL is quoting from in

COLOSSIANS 2:16 [16] Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an HOLYDAY [FEASTIVALS], or of the NEW MOON, or of the SABBATH DAYS <plural>:

PAUL'S within scriptures CONTEXT and use of COLOSSIANS 2:16-17 is in reference to the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures.

EZEKIEL 45:17 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give BURNT OFFERINGS, and MEAT OFFERINGS, and DRINK OFFERINGS, in the FEASTS, and in the NEW MOONS, and in the SABBATHS, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

Many more scriptures showing the links from the OLD to the NEW in the OP. Thanks for sharing your thoughts Bob and nice to see you.

God bless

Could you explain to all of us how the Church is to observe the Sabbath under the New Cobenant.

Maybe you could share from your personal experience how we are to keep the Sabbath today.

JLB

LoveGodsWord · Mar 26, 2019

JLB777 said:
Could you explain to all of us how the Church is to observe the Sabbath under the New Cobenant. Maybe you could share from your personal experience how we are to keep the Sabbath today. JLB

What does God's 4th commandment say in EXODUS 20:8-11? How do you read these scriptures?

JLB777 · Mar 26, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
What does God's 4th commandment say in EXODUS 20:8-11? How do you read these scriptures?

I read the scriptures pertaining to the law of Moses as being given to the children of Israel who were under the law of Moses, living in the land of Israel.

Was the law of Moses given to Gentiles who lived outside of Israel?

I asked for scriptures from the Lord Jesus and His Apostles that identify for us specifically what constitutes sin concerning the Sabbath.

Where are the scriptures that identify for us what specifically constitutes sin concerning the Sabbath today, why won’t you provide any scriptures from Jesus or His Apostles that instruct the Church what we can or can not do on the Sabbath so that we don’t sin.?

Under the law of Moses, if a person so much as picked up sticks to kindle a fire, they were put to death.

JLB

LoveGodsWord · Mar 26, 2019

JLB777 said:
I read the scriptures pertaining to the law of Moses as being given to the children of Israel who were under the law of Moses, living in the land of Israel. Was the law of Moses given to Gentiles who lived outside of Israel?

In the NEW COVENANT God's ISRAEL are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. The name ISRAEL is a name given by God to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW him. The NEW COVENANT promise is to God's ISRAEL *HEBREWS 8:10-12. If we are not a part of God's ISRAEL then we have no part in the NEW COVENANT. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:16-23.

JLB777 said:
I asked for scriptures from the Lord Jesus and His Apostles that identify for us specifically what constitutes sin concerning the Sabbath. Where are the scriptures that identify for us what specifically constitutes sin concerning the Sabbath today, why won’t you provide any scriptures from Jesus or His Apostles that instruct the Church what we can or can not do on the Sabbath so that we don’t sin.?

Why would you ask for something already known. You brake God's Commandment by not resting and working on the Sabbath you commit sin. What does the 4th commandment say?

EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> [Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day] [9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God [This is a direct reference from God's Word defining what the Sabbath is; The SABBATH = the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK]: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY> [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and MADE IT HOLY.

JLB777 said:
Under the law of Moses, if a person so much as picked up sticks to kindle a fire, they were put to death.

We are in the NEW COVENANT now not the OLD COVENANT following the CIVIL laws of ISRAEL. According to God's WORD in the OLD COVENANT under the CIVIL laws anyone who opening broke Gods 10 commandments were openly put to death not just the 4th commandment. *DEUTERONOMY 13:6-18; 1 SAMUEL 26:19; DEUTERONOMY 13:1-10; 17:2-5; 27:15; DEUTERONOMY 7:25-26; LEVITICUS 24:10-17; EXODUS 31:14-15; 35:2; LEVITICUS 20:9; DEUTERONOMY 21:18-21; EXODUS 21:17; EXODUS 21:12-14; LEVITICUS 20; JOHN 8:5; EXODUS 21:16; DEUTERONOMY 19:15-21. That was to teach God's people the wages of SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) is death as it does in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 6:23 although JESUS says vengence is mine at his 2nd coming *ROMANS 12:17-19; REVELATION 22:12. This is the same penalty in the NEW COVENANT for all those who continue in KNOWN SIN and reject the the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23

Hope this helps.

JLB777 · Mar 26, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
In the NEW COVENANT God's ISRAEL are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. The name ISRAEL is a name given by God to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW him. The NEW COVENANT promise is to God's ISRAEL *HEBREWS 8:10-12. If we are not a part of God's ISRAEL then we have no part in the NEW COVENANT. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:16-23.

Why would you ask for something already known. You brake God's Commandment by not resting and working on the Sabbath you commit sin. What does the 4th commandment say?

EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> [Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day] [9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God [This is a direct reference from God's Word defining what the Sabbath is; The SABBATH = the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK]: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY> [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and MADE IT HOLY.

We are in the NEW COVENANT now not the OLD COVENANT following the CIVIL laws of ISRAEL. According to God's WORD in the OLD COVENANT under the CIVIL laws anyone who opening broke Gods 10 commandments were openly put to death not just the 4th commandment. *DEUTERONOMY 13:6-18; 1 SAMUEL 26:19; DEUTERONOMY 13:1-10; 17:2-5; 27:15; DEUTERONOMY 7:25-26; LEVITICUS 24:10-17; EXODUS 31:14-15; 35:2; LEVITICUS 20:9; DEUTERONOMY 21:18-21; EXODUS 21:17; EXODUS 21:12-14; LEVITICUS 20; JOHN 8:5; EXODUS 21:16; DEUTERONOMY 19:15-21. That was to teach God's people the wages of SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) is death as it does in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 6:23 although JESUS says vengence is mine at his 2nd coming *ROMANS 12:17-19; REVELATION 22:12. This is the same penalty in the NEW COVENANT for all those who continue in KNOWN SIN and reject the the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23

Hope this helps.

All I asked you -

What constitutes sin today concerning the Sabbath?

Is it a sin to travel a certain distance to Church?

Can we cook on the Sabbath?

Can we clean our Church on the Sabbath?

The ministers who work at the Church, are they in sin for working on the Sabbath?

If we have to travel to the Hospital for an emergency on the Sabbath, is it a sin?

If we attend Church on Sunday, rather than Saturday is it a sin?

Please list for s the specific laws that govern the Sabbath today, with the scriptures from Jesus where He taught us about how we observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant.

Still waiting for an answer.

JLB

LoveGodsWord · Mar 26, 2019

JLB777 said:
All I asked you - What constitutes sin today concerning the Sabbath?

Nope, no you didn't your changing the subject now that your earlier post was answered. You said..

JLB777 said: ↑I asked for scriptures from the Lord Jesus and His Apostles that identify for us specifically what constitutes sin concerning the Sabbath. Where are the scriptures that identify for us what specifically constitutes sin concerning the Sabbath today

Which was answered by saying to you.

Why would you ask for something already known. You brake God's Commandment by not resting and working on the Sabbath you commit sin. What does the 4th commandment say? EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> [Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day] [9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God [This is a direct reference from God's Word defining what the Sabbath is; The SABBATH = the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK]: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY> [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and MADE IT HOLY.

JLB777 said:
Is it a sin to travel a certain distance to Church?

What does the 4th commandment say? It is a REST DAY. There is no scripture that talks about travelling distance to go to Church on the Sabbath. That sounds like a requirement of the Scribes and Pharisees. JESUS and the Apostles and all the disciples travelled to Church on the Sabbath *LUKE 4:16. Short trips that are not a burden were the day is a rest is fine.

JLB777 said:
The ministers who work at the Church, are they in sin for working on the Sabbath?

No they are guiltless because they are doing God's WORK *MATTHEW 12:1-12

JLB777 said:
If we have to travel to the Hospital for an emergency on the Sabbath, is it a sin?

Of course not it is lawful to do Good on the Sabbath *MATTHEW 12:1-12.

JLB777 said:
If we attend Church on Sunday, rather than Saturday is it a sin?

It has never been about what day you worship God. It is about SIN which is breaking any one of Gods 10 commandments *JAMES 2:10-11. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. If we knowingly break it just like any of God's other commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *ROMANS 3:19-20. All those who continue in known unrepentant sin do not enter the kingdom of Heaven because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

JLB777 said:
Can we cook on the Sabbath? Can we clean our Church on the Sabbath? Please list for s the specific laws that govern the Sabbath today, with the scriptures from Jesus where He taught us about how we observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant.

God's LAW had already been given to God's people for 4000 years earlier. JESUS came to magnify the law and make it honorable according to the scriptures in *ISAIAH 42:21. JESUS magnified the law that was already given to his people and taught that RIGHTOUESNESS is from the INSIDE OUT and unless we are BORN AGAIN we can in no wise enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7.

JESUS states that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART. BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart is what defiles a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28.

JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

If we are not BORN AGAIN into the NEW COVENANT promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. ALL those who KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripure that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

HOW DO WE KEEP THE SABBATH?

WHAT DOES GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT SAY?

EXODUS 20:8-11
[8], Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
[9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
[10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
[11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

WHAT DAY IS GOD'S SABBATH?

v10 The SEVENTH DAY of the week. (Saturday)

WHEN DOES THE SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK START?

GENESIS 1:4-5
[4], And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
[5], And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

A day in God's time is the night (darkness) and the light make up one day. The DAY in God's WORD starts at SUNSET and ends the following SUNSET. So God's 4th Commandment Sabbath would start Friday at SUNSET and end Saturday at SUNSET.

ALL UNECCESSARY WORK TO BE DONE BEFORE FRIDAY SUNSET

EXODUS 16:22-23
[22], And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.
[23], And he said to them, This is that which the LORD has said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath to the LORD: bake that which you will bake to day, and seethe that you will seethe; and that which remains over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

MARK 15:42, And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath

The preparation day is the 6th day of the week. This includes preparing to stop all business and secular work as well as any domestic work; cooking, cleaning; shopping, buying and selling that can be done on any other day of the week.

IT IS LAWFUL TO DO GOOD ON THE SABBATH?

MATTHEW 12:5-12
[5], Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
[6], But I say to you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
[7], But if you had known what this means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the guiltless.
[8], For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day
[9], And when he was departed from there, he went into their synagogue:
[10], And, behold, there was a man who had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
[11], And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
[12], How much then is a man better than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

MARK 2:27, And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath

It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.

WHAT IS LAWFUL ON GOD'S SABBATH?

1. Remembering the creator and his creation (Exod 20:8-11)
2. Rest from all unnecessary work (Ecodus 20:10-11)
3. Doing good (Matt 12:12)
4. Prayer (Acts 16:13; Matt 21:13)
5. Worship the creator (Isaiah 58:13-14; Ex 34:14; 1KING 9:6; Rev 14:6-12)

Song, praise, bible study, helping others, preaching the gospel, resting, prayer, seeking God, remembering the creator and his creation. Walking in nature, going to church with like minded believers. (too many scriptures)

WHAT IS NOT LAWFUL ON GOD'S SABBATH?

WORK; all business and secular work as well as any domestic work; cooking, cleaning; shopping, buying and selling that can be done on any other day of the week and anything to do with work (Exodus 20:8-11; Ex 16:22-23; Matt 21:13).

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There is no purpose in FOLLOWING any of God's LAWs including the SABBATH if it is NOT done through FAITH that works by LOVE because it is ONLY as GOD writes his LAW to LOVE then we can take up our beds to follow him. LOVE is the fulfilling of GOd's LAW in those who BELIEVE (Rom 13:8-10)

WHAT DID JESUS AND THE APOSTLES TEACH ABOUT THE SABBATH IN THE NEW TESTAMENT?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

God’s Law in the NC is written on our hearts it is through love and it is love the fulfils God’s Law in us as we walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and is why Jesus says f you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15; John 15:10). If we knowingly break one of God’s commandments we commit sin (1 John 3:4). This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day.

Now my turn. Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Hope this helps.

JLB777 · Mar 26, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Nope, no you didn't your changing the subject now that your earlier post was answered. You said..

Now there is no need to make up things that are not true.

Here is the same question I have asked you before, and the same question you keep trying to dodge by throwing up your copy and paste answers.

What constitutes sin today concerning the Sabbath?

Is it a sin to travel a certain distance to Church?

Can we cook on the Sabbath?

Can we clean our Church on the Sabbath?

The ministers who work at the Church, are they in sin for working on the Sabbath?

If we have to travel to the Hospital for an emergency on the Sabbath, is it a sin?

If we attend Church on Sunday, rather than Saturday is it a sin?

JLB

JLB777 · Mar 26, 2019

LoveGodsWord said:
Nope, no you didn't your changing the subject now that your earlier post was answered. You said..

Which was answered by saying to you.

What does the 4th commandment say? It is a REST DAY. There is no scripture that talks about travelling distance to go to Church on the Sabbath. That sounds like a requirement of the Scribes and Pharisees. JESUS and the Apostles and all the disciples travelled to Church on the Sabbath *LUKE 4:16. Short trips that are not a burden were the day is a rest is fine.

No they are guiltless because they are doing God's WORK *MATTHEW 12:1-12

Of course not it is lawful to do Good on the Sabbath *MATTHEW 12:1-12.

It has never been about what day you worship God. It is about SIN which is breaking any one of Gods 10 commandments *JAMES 2:10-11. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. If we knowingly break it just like any of God's other commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *ROMANS 3:19-20. All those who continue in known unrepentant sin do not enter the kingdom of Heaven because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

God's LAW had already been given to God's people for 4000 years earlier. JESUS came to magnify the law and make it honorable according to the scriptures in *ISAIAH 42:21. JESUS magnified the law that was already given to his people and taught that RIGHTOUESNESS is from the INSIDE OUT and unless we are BORN AGAIN we can in no wise enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7.

JESUS states that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART. BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart is what defiles a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28.

JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

If we are not BORN AGAIN into the NEW COVENANT promise and continue in it we will not enter the kingdom of Heaven *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. ALL those who KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. There is no such thing as the 9 commandments in God's WORD. The same as there is no scripure that says God's 4th commandment is Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

HOW DO WE KEEP THE SABBATH?

WHAT DOES GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT SAY?

EXODUS 20:8-11
[8], Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
[9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
[10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
[11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

WHAT DAY IS GOD'S SABBATH?

v10 The SEVENTH DAY of the week. (Saturday)

WHEN DOES THE SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK START?

GENESIS 1:4-5
[4], And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
[5], And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

A day in God's time is the night (darkness) and the light make up one day. The DAY in God's WORD starts at SUNSET and ends the following SUNSET. So God's 4th Commandment Sabbath would start Friday at SUNSET and end Saturday at SUNSET.

ALL UNECCESSARY WORK TO BE DONE BEFORE FRIDAY SUNSET

EXODUS 16:22-23
[22], And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.
[23], And he said to them, This is that which the LORD has said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath to the LORD: bake that which you will bake to day, and seethe that you will seethe; and that which remains over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

MARK 15:42, And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath

The preparation day is the 6th day of the week. This includes preparing to stop all business and secular work as well as any domestic work; cooking, cleaning; shopping, buying and selling that can be done on any other day of the week.

IT IS LAWFUL TO DO GOOD ON THE SABBATH?

MATTHEW 12:5-12
[5], Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
[6], But I say to you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
[7], But if you had known what this means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the guiltless.
[8], For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day
[9], And when he was departed from there, he went into their synagogue:
[10], And, behold, there was a man who had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
[11], And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
[12], How much then is a man better than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

MARK 2:27, And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath

It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.

WHAT IS LAWFUL ON GOD'S SABBATH?

1. Remembering the creator and his creation (Exod 20:8-11)
2. Rest from all unnecessary work (Ecodus 20:10-11)
3. Doing good (Matt 12:12)
4. Prayer (Acts 16:13; Matt 21:13)
5. Worship the creator (Isaiah 58:13-14; Ex 34:14; 1KING 9:6; Rev 14:6-12)

Song, praise, bible study, helping others, preaching the gospel, resting, prayer, seeking God, remembering the creator and his creation. Walking in nature, going to church with like minded believers. (too many scriptures)

WHAT IS NOT LAWFUL ON GOD'S SABBATH?

WORK; all business and secular work as well as any domestic work; cooking, cleaning; shopping, buying and selling that can be done on any other day of the week and anything to do with work (Exodus 20:8-11; Ex 16:22-23; Matt 21:13).

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There is no purpose in FOLLOWING any of God's LAWs including the SABBATH if it is NOT done through FAITH that works by LOVE because it is ONLY as GOD writes his LAW to LOVE then we can take up our beds to follow him. LOVE is the fulfilling of GOd's LAW in those who BELIEVE (Rom 13:8-10)

WHAT DID JESUS AND THE APOSTLES TEACH ABOUT THE SABBATH IN THE NEW TESTAMENT?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

God’s Law in the NC is written on our hearts it is through love and it is love the fulfils God’s Law in us as we walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and is why Jesus says f you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15; John 15:10). If we knowingly break one of God’s commandments we commit sin (1 John 3:4). This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day.

Now my turn. Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Hope this helps.

You keep trying go around in circles.

The 4th commandment has not been abolished.

The way the 4th Commandment is observed is what has been abolished.

Now under the new covenant you are not stoned to death for picking up sticks to kindle a fire on the Sabbath.

So here is the question -

What constitutes sin today concerning the Sabbath?

Is it a sin to travel a certain distance to Church?

Can we cook on the Sabbath?

Can we clean our Church on the Sabbath?

The ministers who work at the Church, are they in sin for working on the Sabbath?

If we have to travel to the Hospital for an emergency on the Sabbath, is it a sin?

If we attend Church on Sunday, rather than Saturday is it a sin?

JLB

LoveGodsWord · Mar 26, 2019

JLB777 said:
Now there is no need to make up things that are not true.

How was anything made up when I have only posted exactly what you said and my response to what you posted? Seems pretty true to me. I used your own words not mine.

JLB777 said:
Here is the same question I have asked you before, and the same question you keep trying to dodge by throwing up your copy and paste answers. What constitutes sin today concerning the Sabbath? Is it a sin to travel a certain distance to Church? Can we cook on the Sabbath? Can we clean our Church on the Sabbath? The ministers who work at the Church, are they in sin for working on the Sabbath? If we have to travel to the Hospital for an emergency on the Sabbath, is it a sin? If we attend Church on Sunday, rather than Saturday is it a sin?
JLB

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