Do you know why a Christian cannot willfully sin

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The OP is either very naive, lives in immense denial, or is blatantly lying. If she has not repented or confessed since the late 1980s, she is in big trouble. The Apostle John was writing here to believers in the churches:
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.” (1 John 1:7-10)

“Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed.” (James 5:16)

The same John who wrote1 John 1:7-10 wrote 1 John 3:9 and that's where most of the confusion comes from to be honest unless somebody understand that Christian has one nature and the old man which you were before becomming born again has it's sinful nature and both of these natures are alive that's why you fight flesh daily but you flee from sin . You can't flee away from your own body which is your prison .
 
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Hi all. i am new to the forum so bear with me please. i got an email alert about this thread. it is one very personal to me for reasons i don't consider appropiate to go into now.
However i do have some thoughts and questions. now it says in the new testiment that "When we DO sin, we have an advocate for us Jesus" {1 John 2.1}.
Ok Good. i do not believe that verse is just Talking about sin that is not realized at the time ie- "unintentional sin".
Exactly what is sin ??? sin is falling short of God EXPECTATIONS of us is it not..
In my 29 years in churchs, as a believer [ i don't really consider myself worthy of the label "Christian",
i have seen all sorts of sin by those purporting to be followers of Jesus and lovers of God and the holy spirit.
Is dropping litter on the floor as the same as speeding in an automobile? in human terms , uh NO.
In reality , in Gods eyes , Yes.
Will Willful adultery get one sent to hell? most believe YES , and the bible does list it as very serious sin
Of course.
But what of Falseness. and pride, ESPECIALLY religious pride. was "religious" pride not Satans dowmfall?.
It states in the book of Revalation that all "who love and practise falsehood will go to hell along with thieves, adulterers, drunkards, etc, etc. oh.. COWARDS, as well.
Where am i going with all this? i suggest think about this. is it not possible for example,for a person who go's to church, been baptized, speaks in tongues, gives alms to the poor, and is highly regarded by 99.9% of churchgoers that know them, to have a habit of throwing litter out of their car window and althrough feeling their consience pricked continues to do it because what they throw out is "biodegradable" and God of course understands their little foibles.
That person ends up in hell. but someone else, a lowly person in church and had many problems most of which became public knowledge, an adulterer with it to boot. They escaped hell [by the skin of their teeth].
Why? is God unfair??. NO. it is not down to this is A large part... LOVE. Love covers a multitude of sins.
Love of God , and the Love of his lost sheep. that CERTAINLY includes the worst "scum", scum in the eyes of the world and sad to say MANY in churchs today!.
"Unless you're righteousness supasses the righteousness of the Pharisee's, you will in NO WAY enter the kingdom of God. last word, There is a "religious" spirit that exists, decieves multitudes, and is a counterfeit copy of the real spirit God gives to those who really do belong to HIM. Shalom.
 
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It seems that my new man does not sin and my old man does little else but sin.

I'll be glad to be shed once for all of the old boy.:)

Amen! From God's point of view the old man is already crucified with Christ. For all decent intents and purposes... dead. Consider him a zombie ... to be avoided at all costs. You know what a zombie is, a dead person who sort of acts alive and who looks to eat living people.
 
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I willfully sin. Does this mean I'm not a Christian?
It does not mean that.
There's a little more to the story than has been explained.
This passage isn't to condemn, but rather to explain.
Anyone who's been born of God has been born of "incorruptible" seed,
and that man will not "continue in" sin.
So,,, if you 'willfully" sin, I will assume that you at least are sad afterward
and practice the sin less and less frequently?
That's how it has worked in my own walk anyhow. The Spirit's willing but
the flesh is dang weak!
Here's a look at the original Greek.
Now go and sin no more
:hug::groupray:
 
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Does anyone actually believe the warnings in the Bible, or just argue against them? Good luck with that...:sigh:
I believe them, but we have to also use them in context.
You sin.
I sin.
we all sin.
GOD even said so.
 
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I believe them, but we have to also use them in context.
You sin.
I sin.
we all sin.
GOD even said so.
Not to mention,...
That's not even what it's (Kingdom) about at all.
Jesus was sent to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
... and to set the oppressed free.

PLUS!
Hebrews 10
<3

We might love God and then stumble.
Doesn't mean we're heading to Hell!
Gosh, I sinned yesterday (prob today too) and it broke my
heart! I was at work, so didn't have time to spend in prayer
after but actually had a hard time keeping my composure.
My God doesn't send folks who love Him, to Hell.
 
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The OP is either very naive, lives in immense denial, or is blatantly lying. If she has not repented or confessed since the late 1980s, she is in big trouble. The Apostle John was writing here to believers in the churches:
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.” (1 John 1:7-10)

“Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed.” (James 5:16)

Hi again. While driving down a winding road, there are times when the wheel gets too close to the center line and may even cross an inch or two over the line and you correct it. Those do not require us to repent having to do with our salvation. Just keep following to road. "He will make the crooked places straight."

Once you've been driving for as long as I have, you learn not to even get close to the center line.

But I appreciate that you think I'm naive. If we could all be this naive. Children are naive and completely trusting. I don't want to go back into that place of having to be pruned so often. But, I'm alone - and 70 years old. Just me and God. It is harder for younger ones to not pass us slower vehicles on the winding road into a head-on collision (that require repentance).
 
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Folks, it's time to READ the BIBLE AND DO what it says - what God says and has written.

Stop arguing, stop finding excuses, stop listening to liars behind the pulpits and in Sunday schools, STOP SINNING! Stop going to hell. Stop giving the devil a leg to stand on.

Didn't JESUS say, "Go, and sin no more." Why would He tell us to do something that could not be done? The Word is NEVER spoken in vain.

SIN NOT

JOHN 5:
14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.


JOHN 8:
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.


ROMANS 6:
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


1 CORINTHIANS 6:
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.


1 CORINTHIANS 10:
21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.


1 CORINTHIANS 15:
34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.


2 CORINTHIANS 5:
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


GALATIANS 2:
17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.


GALATIANS 5:
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


EPHESIANS 4:
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
27 Neither give place to the devil.


HEBREWS 6:
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.


HEBREWS 10:
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.


1 JOHN 1:
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


1 JOHN 2:
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:


1 JOHN 3:
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the
beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.


EXODUS 20:
20 And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.


PSALM 125:
3 For the rod of the wicked shall not rest upon the lot of the righteous; lest the righteous put forth their hands unto iniquity.


EZEKIEL 3:
17 Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me.
18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
21 Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.


EZEKIEL 18:
4...: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
19 Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When
the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live.
20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.


EZEKIEL 33:
13 When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.
14 Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
15 If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.
16 None of his sins that he hath committed shall be mentioned unto him: he hath done that which is lawful and right; he shall surely live.
17 Yet the children of thy people say, The way of the Lord is not equal: but as for them, their way is not equal.
18 When the righteous turneth from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, he shall even die thereby.
19 But if the wicked turn from his wickedness, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall live thereby.
20 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. O ye house of Israel, I will judge you every one after his ways.

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So does this mean that it is, in fact, the sin that sins and not the person? making it an incorrect statement to say that one has sinned....after they have reached the level of Paul and have received their new name, of course.

Not born again person ( not saved person ) making statement that :
"I have not sinned " would be guilty of blasphemy against Holy Spirit if he trusted that he has no sin or such thing as sin does not exist because it's was HS job to make people believe what sin is (John 16:8).

But born again person (Christian) can make statement " I have not sinned " because he is born of God and it's not blasphemy against Holy Spirit because it's true that he did not commit single sin .

Also Christian can make statement " I have sinned " , both of these statements are true but they do not speak about the same thing , when Christian say " I have not sinned " he is talking about his Spiritual birth , when he is saying " I have sinned" he is talking about his flesh sinning .


Christian can't blasphemy against Holy Spirit it's impossible , if that was possible then he would be able to go to hell but we know from 2 Corinthians 5:8 that when Christian is dead he is present with LORD and he himself is saved from fire not able to burn in hell 1 Corinthians 3:15.
 
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Paul says that love believes and hopes all things. This means giving people the benefit of the doubt and hoping the best for them. What you’ve just expressed here is a sin.

I only mean that what you keep doing is biased because of your denomination, even to the point of contempt for me. Everything is seen through and weighed through Presbyterian glasses. Been there, done that.

I grew up in a denomination - Seventh-day Adventist. Because of their glasses that could only see the law, I couldn't see grace. Then one night I debated with a Church of Christ member. After about 3 hours, around about 4 in the morning, I suddenly "got it." The blinders were lifted. Oh, what freedom!

I was only in the Church of Christ for about a year, but God had other plans. He lead me to finally believe in those dreaded gifts of the Holy Spirit which I thought had ceased (to keep it clean). That was the last of the baggage from denominationalism.

All I want to do now is grow in the Spirit.
 
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I loved the line "God always makes a way of escape (from sin)."

I interpreted the situation as if one is truly born again, then he won't willfully sin. If they willfully sin, then they didn't have his seed. The example of this verse is Adam. He had no Bible, but had God's word and presence. We'd like to think that we hold out longer than a week. It may be many, many years before we fall for Satan's lies and deception or that we ever fall for it at all. We remain faithful. That's the thing. Satan has always been there, hasn't he? So to remain born of God, then we have to take pause and think twice as we are tempted, lied to or even deceived that there is a way to escape. It takes faith to not willfully fall, so listen to that little voice in your head to not do something. Or in some cases, to do something to help someone out.

Somewhere I lost you. You said, "The example of this verse is Adam." What verse, and what does it say about Adam?
 
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Well, if you take this verse in isolation from the rest of Scripture, your idea of the total sinless of the Christian or, at least, their total and perfect refraining from willful sin, might be assumed. But Scripture has more to say to us about the believer and his/her struggle with sin than you've offered here. And when we consider the whole counsel of Scripture, the idea that the real Christian believer will never sin purposefully quickly dissolves. Here are some other verses that give us reason to reject the conclusion you've come to from the verse you offered from 1 John 3:

Romans 7:21-23
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.
22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.


1 Corinthians 3:1-3
1 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ.
2 I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able;
3 for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men?


1 Corinthians 3:14-15
14 If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.
15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.


Galatians 5:17
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.


1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.


"Does not sin" in 1 John 3:9 carries the sense of a lifestyle that is turned from sin; it does not mean "one never sins." And this reading is confirmed by the verses/passages above that speak of the believer's struggle with sin.



Why did Paul write what he did in Romans 8? Why did he write to believers to be spiritually-minded? Was it because they were already spiritually-minded? Why, then, write to the Roman Christians about it? Obviously, the Roman believers were not living in a spiritually-minded way and this is why Paul was urging them to be spiritually-minded. But this would mean that the Roman Christians - not the Roman apostates or the Roman once-saved-and-now-lost - were living in a carnally-minded way. But this would mean they weren't living totally free of willful sin yet Paul still considered them born-again believers.



I think Jesus told us what the First Work is:

Matthew 22:36-37
36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"
37 Jesus said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'

The problem with your response is you see no difference between a Jew under the law, and a Christian who follows the Spirit. There are a few scriptures that are about a those non-believers still walking in darkness, that many superimpose onto themselves. Unfortunately, they relate to the verses on the carnal, not on walking in the light. Those verses you referred to are 1 John 1:8-10, and Romans 7:21-25.

(Your avatar looks familiar. Didn't we go over this before? You must really like those verses, and you're not alone. From what I've found, it is an unfortunate majority who see those verse as about a Christian.)
 
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I believe them, but we have to also use them in context.
You sin.
I sin.
we all sin.
GOD even said so.

Yes, since Adam we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. This is WHY Jesus came. He freed us from sin. The question is, do you see yourself as knowing about Jesus, or knowing Him.

22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
 
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“If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed” (John 8:36).

Christians are made free from the slavery of sin and are supposed to become slaves of righteousness. But this latter ‘slavery’ is a free choice. The freedom of redemption means we now have the power to resist temptation… but we are also free to willfully sin. But eventually all believers, if they continue in the faith, will cease to sin. Certainly they will not sin once they have left this fallen world and their fallen flesh.

If Christians cannot and do not sin, then why did John and James the Just (speaking to the churches) write about continued confession and forgiveness?

“But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.”
(1 John 1:7-10)

“Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed.” (James 5:16)

If Christians cannot fall, then why did Peter write about apostasy?

<i>“If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. Of them the proverbs are true: ‘A dog returns to its vomit,’ and, ‘A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.’” </i> (2 Peter 2: 20-22)
The freedom of redemption means we now have the power to resist temptation… but we are also free to willfully sin. But eventually all believers, if they continue in the faith, will cease to sin. Certainly they will not sin once they have left this fallen world and their fallen flesh.

The "flesh" spoken of in Romans 8:8-9 is our nature, not of bones, sinews and tissue. It is our nature that must be born again of the Spirit.
 
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Of course. Look at the story again.

Where does it say that the one being crucified had NOT become a Christian before being caught and convicted by man?

And where does it say that he had never been baptized (another presumption).

Jesus wasn't teaching on the cross, so where had the thief learned of the Kingdom of God. Did he think he and Jesus would get down off the cross and physically become King of the Jews?

Obviously, you haven't thought this through. There are too many questions left erroneously answered by unwritten presumptions.

Look at the following verses.
Mt 27:41 Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said,
Mt 27:42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.
Mt 27:43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.
Mt 27:44 THE THIEVES ALSO, WHICH WERE CRUCIFIED WITH HIM, CAST THE SAME IN HIS TEETH.
Looks like you're the one with the ASSUMPTIONS that the thief was saved and baptized before his crucifixion. There is no verse that even remotely suggests this. In fact according to Mt 27:44 above he was mocking Jesus before he had his saving experience on the cross.
 
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I only mean that what you keep doing is biased because of your denomination, even to the point of contempt for me. Everything is seen through and weighed through Presbyterian glasses. Been there, done that.

I grew up in a denomination - Seventh-day Adventist. Because of their glasses that could only see the law, I couldn't see grace. Then one night I debated with a Church of Christ member. After about 3 hours, around about 4 in the morning, I suddenly "got it." The blinders were lifted. Oh, what freedom!

I was only in the Church of Christ for about a year, but God had other plans. He lead me to finally believe in those dreaded gifts of the Holy Spirit which I thought had ceased (to keep it clean). That was the last of the baggage from denominationalism.

All I want to do now is grow in the Spirit.

I though that these gifts had ceased aswell . I know Paul in his day was alredy telling people to stop being bothered about not being able to speak in tongues because they were jelous that some could but they could not but to focus on these gifts which they have .


8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

I have question about these , people had gift of prophecy , why do we not find these prophecies in the Bible from people who had such gift or does that gift of prophecy mean something else for example they had these prophecies that we do but they knew them without Scriptures because they were not written yet ?

What is difference between gift of tongues and gift of interpretation of tongues ? Does it mean that for example I'm speaking in French but there are no people who speak it french but God let's one man to understand French even tho he is not speaking French himself but by that gift he is able to know what you are saying and is translating it to other brothers in English for example is that what is this talking about ?

Personally I think I have only one gift and that's faith from these 7 stated above , haven't healed anybody yet or did any miracles .
 
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The problem with your response is you see no difference between a Jew under the law, and a Christian who follows the Spirit.

How do you know what I think about the Jew under the law and the Christian who lives in submission to the Spirit? In fact, I do see very distinct differences between the two.

There are a few scriptures that are about a those non-believers still walking in darkness, that many superimpose onto themselves.

The verses I posted aren't written to non-believers and they don't address the struggle with sin that non-believers are having. They are written to born-again believers about their struggles with sin.

(Your avatar looks familiar. Didn't we go over this before? You must really like those verses, and you're not alone. From what I've found, it is an unfortunate majority who see those verse as about a Christian.)

We might have gone over this matter before. I post in many forums on this site. Do I "really like" the verses I posted? Only in respect to their pertinence to your assertions about the born-again believer and willful sin. There are very good reasons to see these verses as being written to believers about their issues with sin which makes your point of view on 1 John 3:9 very...peculiar to me.
 
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