I Don't Listen To Christian Music Anymore

christine40 said:

^ Feel pretty good when child thanks me,especially since I take being a mom as a very important job, more important than any paying job that have ever held.

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Wasn’t talking about children but grownups. I mean we are grown ups. To be pleased with grown adults remaining on the level of small children is limiting and i notice others seem to notice this as well.

When picking husband up at airport last night before we drove off, I said we all need to thank God that he arrived home safely from overseas. Do believe thanking God is important.

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Only asking if some believers don’t want to mature beyond the toddler phase when “thank you” is great.

When child is with me in car, we do listen to the local Christian radio station. They not only play Christian music but give edifying info/stories plus it's a safe station for child to hear. We like to sing along to the songs.

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I understand. My son is grown and we listen to teaching no toddler would get. And we prefer songs that honor God for who He is, not the “me” focus of what He gave or did for us. We start with thanks and move onto who He is independent of how we benefit.

It doesn't feel like we are doing anything wrong or that God is not pleased that we thank him.

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Didn’t say it’s wrong. But remaining in the toddler stage of the Christian faith is limiting.

Dorothy Mae said:

Wasn’t talking about children but grownups.

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ok, when you asked how would you feel if your child only thanked you, I answered

but my child is 10 yrs old
guess we are in totally different phases of life and can't imagine having a grown child

so agree to disagree re Christian music

christine40 said:

ok, when you asked how would you feel if your child only thanked you, I answered

but my child is 10 yrs old
guess we are in totally different phases of life and can't imagine having a grown child

so agree to disagree re Christian music

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OK. I would have asked you to think about your children when they are older, if you aim for them to one day say more than "thanks for all you gave me, Mom." Or consider if your husband only thanks you for all you do for him and nothing more. And this is how your relationship works? If so and you are happy, then that is your life. Who can say anything against your life? This is really to get you to see the matter as God sees it. It is not a criticism of your or anyone's family. It was just an example of what I meant. If it does not work, drop it.

Maybe my position on this comes from my life as well. We compliment each other on more than what we got out of the other. Thanks yous flow easily but we also give character compliments, something the speaker observes but does not benefit from personally.

But I also have been worshipping God since my teens and we never sang as many "me and my salvation and what you do for me God makes me happy and Im so glad you thought of me above all others" songs as they do today. We sang a powerful lot of scripture which was instruction as well and I am not the only one here who notices this. The music was not nearly as good as now but the words were far and away superior. Well, we sang scripture word for word so it can hardly get more powerful than that.

So we can disagree. I am glad you sing with your kids in the car and watch what programs you listen to. This is, of course, excellent. Even the "me songs" Christians sing are so much better than the secular words one puts into one's head it is not funny. So please continue. Your choice is much much better than other options other mothers do.

christine40 said:

but my child is 10 yrs old

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Christine, I have an idea for you to try. Nothing to do with the thread actually and i apologize for that.

Take a week or so and focus on noticing and complimenting each of you family for character quality traits you see. Cannot be something you benefit from. Something they said or did for someone besides you that shows kindness or courage or gentleness or caring or something like that.

Has to be something you do or did not benefit from or it looks like you’re saying that to get them to do it again. Needs to be said just because you saw a good trait in them. The world hammers us enough for our real and imagined faults. It’s good if home is a place where people see real and named good qualities in us now and again.

And this is especially important for your son. You got three years before 13 comes and then it will be harder to do this as your sweet cherub suddenly makes your life difficult at times. Fill him full of words describing all the good qualities you see in him. Everyone has some st least now and again. So toot his horn. Your words will nourish his soul.

If you already do this, great!!

Dorothy Mae said:

Take a week or so and focus on noticing and complimenting each of you family for character quality traits you see. Needs to be said just because you saw a good trait in them.

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yes, have done that since child was young and still do

maybe us listening to Christian radio is wrong
but we think it's a good station

we also listen to a worship CD in car that I received from a Christian women's retreat

sorry OP

back to topic of "I don't listen to Christian music anymore"




since I do, moving on from this thread

christine40 said:

yes, have done that since child was young and still do

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Just have to comment that you have done this for your child since she was young but find doing so in praising God a foreign concept. To God you give thanks for what he gave to or did for you, but to your daughter you know how to praise her for her character. That was really all I was asking you to do to God.

Dorothy Mae said:

Just have to comment that you have done this for your child since he was young but find doing so in praising God a foreign concept.

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we do praise God:

"the Hebrew word for “praise” is yadah, which means to praise, give thanks, or confess. In fact, the word translated “give thanks” later on in the passage comes from the same Hebrew word used earlier for “praise”—"

christine40 said:

we do praise God:

"the Hebrew word for “praise” is yadah, which means to praise, give thanks, or confess. In fact, the word translated “give thanks” later on in the passage comes from the same Hebrew word used earlier for “praise”—"

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Praise and thanks are two different concepts and two different words. The Hebrew will not save you. When you praise your daughter or when you thank her are two different actions. Everyone knows this, including God. That is why the Bible makes a distinction.

"Let us enter his gates with thanksgiving in our hearts and into his courts with praise." Gates and courts are not the same thing. Thanksgiving and praise are not the same thing.

It is just surprising to me how people fight tooth and nail against the idea of praising God apart from what He gave them or did for them. Seems like a simple request to me.

Jerri said:

...everyone who stood up went on to teach us and minister to many of our needs even before the service was half done...

Pls stop trying so hard to invalidate what we do there's not a one style fits all.

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You mean like this?

Jerri said:

I believe it was a direct influence of Christ's presence because in the past we had been struggling with people giving unedifying testimonies/messages.

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I have since moved on from this thread because I felt there was a spirit on here operating to wear one out. In fact I heard the Holy Spirit say to me "No one can take that experience from you so quit explaining yourself away"

But yes that's what I meant

JRichard68 said:

You mean like this?

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Jerri said:

I have since moved on from this thread because I felt there was a spirit on here operating to wear one out. In fact I heard the Holy Spirit say to me "No one can take that experience from you so quit explaining yourself away"

But yes that's what I meant

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Again, I am amazed that if you ask believers to praise God for something besides what He did for them, what he gave them, or how He makes them feel, they object. I guess the feeling they get is of greater value than praising God for something besides what they get out of Him. For those who wonder about this, there is something outside of praising God for what He does for you. And it is much much greater than thanks. Relationship is a two way street for the mature. For children it is, I admit, a relationship of receiving only.

My friend I'll not honor you with a response. As long as I am called to my Father's vineyard He Himself will instruct me how to go about it. If I have been waiting on God on all manner of assignments He has called me to serve on I am sure He also will explicitly tell me what to do to worship Him better. Kindly don't tire me with your advice.

Dorothy Mae said:

Again, I am amazed that if you ask believers to praise God for something besides what He did for them, what he gave them, or how He makes them feel, they object. I guess the feeling they get is of greater value than praising God for something besides what they get out of Him. For those who wonder about this, there is something outside of praising God for what He does for you. And it is much much greater than thanks. Relationship is a two way street for the mature. For children it is, I admit, a relationship of receiving only.

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Jerri said:

My friend I'll not honor you with a response. As long as I am called to my Father's vineyard He Himself will instruct me how to go about it. If I have been waiting on God on all manner of assignments He has called me to serve on I am sure He also will explicitly tell me what to do to worship Him better. Kindly don't tire me with your advice.

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Since you did indeed “honor “ me with a response despite your claim that you didn’t, I will admit I am honoring you with a response. Honesty with yourself would be a more positive indication of God speaking to you.

Again, I only request songs praise God for something besides what they get out of Him. Seems to hit a nerve although rationally it is not unreasonable. No one really wants to be praised or thanked or appreciated only for what others GET out of them, be it feelings or material empowerment.

I, btw, get nothing at all out if requesting/suggesting this. It is a love for God Himself (not what I get from Him) that motivates me. Hopefully that is obvious.

You don't seem to get it. Let God send you to speak to others I am not interested in your insights. You can let me discuss this or any other topic that interests me without imposing your opinions on me. We can agree to part amicably.

Dorothy Mae said:

Since you did indeed “honor “ me with a response despite your claim that you didn’t, I will admit I am honoring you with a response. Honesty with yourself would be a more positive indication of God speaking to you.

Again, I only request songs praise God for something besides what they get out of Him. Seems to hit a nerve although rationally it is not unreasonable. No one really wants to be praised or thanked or appreciated only for what others GET out of them, be it feelings or material empowerment.

I, btw, get nothing at all out if requesting/suggesting this. It is a love for God Himself (not what I get from Him) that motivates me. Hopefully that is obvious.

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Dorothy Mae said:

Well, we sang scripture word for word so it can hardly get more powerful than that.

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Great to have thorough Scriptural content in what we sing.

Jerri said:

You don't seem to get it.

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I get it just fine. You tell yourself you’re not writing me every time you write me. Seems pretty plain.

Let God send you to speak to others I am not interested in your insights.

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God isn’t sending me here that I know of. I mean, I’ve had God send me and this isn’t it. I’m a volunteer.

You can let me discuss this or any other topic that interests me without imposing your opinions on me.

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You assume I have some control over who you get to talk to. This is in error. I have no control over who you discuss this with or any other topic. But you need to realize you also don’t control who I talk to or what I address.

We can agree to part amicably.

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You can certainly feel free not to come back. I am amicable and if you are then all is good.

But i am not the only one who thinks as I do, nor did I start this thread. There are those who find modern “christian” songs completely self focused. If one counts the number of times “me” and “I” and “my” appear, one cannot miss who appears more often in songs supposedly directed at God.

Dorothy Mae said:

But i am not the only one who thinks as I do, nor did I start this thread. There are those who find modern “christian” songs completely self focused. If one counts the number of times “me” and “I” and “my” appear, one cannot miss who appears more often in songs supposedly directed at God.

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Also a lot of psychology and counseling seems to be all about me and my feelings.

Whereas for example worship according to the Psalms is very much God-centred.