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I never said otherwise. On the contrary, I believe all three persons of the Godhead or the Trinity live and move within the believer.
I’m not sure what you mean by the above, which I highlighted in blue. Only the Holy Spirit indwells all the believers, not the Father or the Son.
But that does not mean we do not have free will and we cannot resist God.
Of course we have free will and can resist God, all of Scripture makes that clear in the countless times Israel rebelled against the Lord. I have never said we don’t have free will.
Doing good works or living holy is about cooperating with the Lord our God wants to do in our lives.
Yes, which is our “reasonable service” as saved, born again, sealed believers who most definitely should desire to be faithful disciples as we grow in God’s grace through the “milk of the word”, in sound teaching and in spiritual maturity.
So you are not saved by keeping the following Law or commandment?
"And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment." (1 John 3:23).
We are saved by “the Law of faith.”
So you are saying you are not under the command to believe on Jesus?
Believing on the Son is “the will of the Father” and is the “work of God”. It is what is necessary for salvation.
What about not loving your neighbor?
Yes, we should love our neighbour. He who has been forgiven much, loves much.
41 "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." (Matthew 25:41-46).
I’ve addressed these verses numerous times. You’ve only quoted a part of them. In this chapter, Jesus is clear that the Kingdom/eternal life is an inheritance which has been prepared from the foundation of the world.
Do you earn an inheritance? Or is it something earned by another that is then given to one who hasn’t earned it?
Note: In the Parable of the Good Samaritan, Jesus says that the good samaritan who was beaten up and stripped of his clothes and laying on the side of the road (like a poor man) in response to a certain lawyer who asked, who was his neighbor (in regards to loving his neighbor) (See Luke 10:25-37).
I am familiar with the parable. It is sound teaching on living as a faithful disciple who loves the Lord and others. We do well to follow it, absolutely.
John says if we hate our brother, we are like a murderer and no murderer has eternal life abiding in them (1 John 3:15). Surely our brother is our neighbor.
Yes, we must definitely love our brother. I’ve never said otherwise. No true believer doesn’t have eternal life abiding in them. Scripture is clear, we have passed from death to life and have received the true life which is found only in the Son. So what makes you think that John is telling true believers that they do not actually have eternal life abiding in them?
But it mentions nothing about how these works are to be seen by us reading about them (Whereby they are justified by such works). That is something you have invented that cannot be seen in Scripture.
Would you agree that none of those in the Early Church had actually ever seen Abraham or known him? Just as we haven’t. Neither had they seen Jesus or known Him, they heard about Him through the teachings of the apostles (which we have in written form in Scripture).
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. It’s not difficult, we would know nothing specific about God, were it not for His inspired word.
Again, we are not seeing their works physically whereby they would be justified by such works.
They are not justified to God by works, but by faith, Scripture is clear.
Reading about what somebody said is not the same thing because it requires faith. They may not have done such things. Again, they are not being justified by works if no man sees them. A hand written account is not the same thing. It can be a fabrication. It requires faith in the unseen.
Now, surely you don't believe that the inspired word of God is a "fabrication." Are you suggesting that we cannot trust what is written?
Also, Romans 4 does not actually say that Abraham was justified by works before men. Romans 4:2 is talking about how Abraham would have something to boast about if salvation was exclusively in keeping the Law alone.
Actually Romans as a letter, read in it's entirety, is very clear that no one earns salvation at all. Let's look at Romans 4 specifically:
1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:
20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
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