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Ten Commandments
1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fa-thers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
5. Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
6. Thou shalt not kill. (murder)
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8. Thou shalt not steal.
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.

The answer to your question is---------------NO
 
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Many Atheists are angry at G-d for having allowed the holocaust to occur but former Atheist Howard Storm Ph. D. was shown some interesting details on what happened in the higher invisible dimensions of space - time.

Howard Storm Ph. D:
"I asked how God could let the Holocaust of World War II happen. We were transported to a railway station as a long train of freight cars was being unloaded of its human cargo. The guards were screaming and beating the people into submission. The people were Jewish men, women, and children. Exhausted from hunger and thirst, they were totally disoriented from the ordeal of being rounded up and sent on a long journey to an unknown destination. They believed that they were going to work camps, and that their submission to the brutality of the guards was the only way to survive.

We went to the area where the selection process was taking place and heard the guards talking about "the Angel Maker." We went to the place the guards were referring to as "the Angel Maker," which was a series of ovens. I saw piles of naked corpses being loaded into the ovens, and I began to cry. Jesus said to me, "These are the people God loves." Then he said, "Look up." Rising out of the smoke of the chimneys, I saw hundreds of people being met by thousands of angels taking them up into the sky. There was great joy in the faces of the people, and there appeared to be no trace of a memory of the horrendous suffering they had just endured. How ironic that the guards sarcastically called the ovens "the Angel Maker."

I asked how God could allow this to happen. They told me that this was not God's will. This was an abomination to God. God wants this never to happen again. This was the sacrifice of an innocent people to whom God had given the law to be an example, a light, to the rest of the world. This Holocaust was breaking God's heart. The anguish that Jesus was suffering at the slaughter of his people was too much for me to bear and I begged that we leave this place. I will never forget this: his anguish at this horror and what it represents. This was one of the low points in human history."

I asked, Why does God let things like this happen? They told me that God was very unhappy with the course of human history and was going to intervene to change the world. God had watched us sink to depths of depravity and cruelty at the very time that he was giving us the instruments to make the world a godlier world. God had intervened in the world many times before, but this time God was going to change the course of human events." (Howard Storm, My Descent Into Death, page 42,43)
 
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Many Atheists are angry at G-d for having allowed the holocaust to occur

I have a great deal of sympathy for the Jews in WW2 but they were not alone when it comes to mass killings. Some American Indian tribes were totally whipped out. And then we have the following-------

War in the Vendee, part of the dechristianisation of France (6 months -casualties in the hundreds of thousands), Albigensian Crusade (20 years, - hundreds of thousands), St. Bartholomew's Day massacre of Hugenots (tens of thousand in a couple of weeks)

Compare that death toll to the global population at the time to get a better idea. It's estimated that there were around 350 - 375 million people globally. Around 5,000 people were executed. With the Gallic Wars, there were 1 million people of Gaul killed. Using numbers from the global population in the 4th century (50-60 million) even though the Gallic Wars were fought in 50 BCE, that's 1.6-2% of the global population. To compare, the holocaust was 0.3%.

To be clear, I'm not saying that the holocaust wasn't bad. But to say that it's the cruelest point in humanity's entire history is a bit foolish. It's certainly not the darkest, which would probably be the Black Death (of which our population took 200 years to recover from) or worse yet the Toba Catastrophe in which global population bottlenecked at somewhere around 1,000.

The song cry me a river just doesn’t fit when you look at all the pieces
 
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Hi friends,

I hope you enjoy this. This is a subject I've studied quite a bit.
As a former atheist, I would hear this argument a lot and this is my attempt to equip
Christians in order to refute it.

God bless!

Picking on one of your reasons here.

One of the reasons you say God has Israel kill the Canaanites was because they practiced child sacrifice. But then why annihilate the children, if one of the purposes is to stop child sacrifice?

In any case, how widespread do you think this practice was in Canaan? Canaanites weren't a uniform religion where all tribes had shared religious practices and beliefs.
 
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One of the reasons you say God has Israel kill the Canaanites was because they practiced child sacrifice. But then why annihilate the children, if one of the purposes is to stop child sacrifice?

Please, God did not have "Israel kill the Canaanites". If you want to believe in the tooth fairy and Santa Clause that's fine but in time you will grow up and childhood fantasies will fade into the past and you will become a grownup. Hopefully, the sooner the better.
 
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Please, God did not have "Israel kill the Canaanites".

How do you phrase it then? The issue in the post still stands - phrase it however you prefer. Here, I'll make it easier for you to take up the point:

One of the reasons you say God has Israel execute judgment on the Canaanites was because they practiced child sacrifice. But then why annihilate the children, if one of the purposes is to stop child sacrifice?

In any case, how widespread do you think this practice was in Canaan? Canaanites weren't a uniform religion where all tribes had shared religious practices and beliefs.
 
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One of the reasons you say God has Israel execute judgment on the Canaanites was because they practiced child sacrifice.

This statement of yours is pure bs; as in bullsssssssssssit
The following verses prove two things.

[FIRST] (1) the great Jewish leaders were not buried in Palestine or the land now claimed as Israel

Genesis 25:9 His sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah near Mamre, in the field of Ephron son of Zohar the Hittite,

Genesis 47:30 but when I rest with my fathers, carry me out of Egypt and bury me [ Israel ] where they are buried." "I will do as you say," he said. ;

Genesis 50:14 For his sons carried him [ Israel ] into the land of Canaan, and buried him in the cave of the field of Machpelah, which Abraham bought with the field for a possession of a buryingplace of Ephron the Hittite, before Mamre.

Genesis 25:9 His sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah near Mamre, in the field of Ephron son of Zohar the Hittite,

Genesis 47:30 but when I rest with my fathers, carry me out of Egypt and bury me [ Israel ] where they are buried." "I will do as you say," he said. ;

Genesis 49:31 There Abraham and his wife Sarah were buried, there Isaac and his wife Rebekah were buried, and there I buried Leah.

Genesis 50:10 And they came to the threshingfloor of Atad, which is beyond Jordan, and there they mourned with a great and very sore lamentation:

Genesis 50:14 For his sons carried him [ Israel ] into the land of Canaan, and buried him in the cave of the field of Machpelah, which Abraham bought with the field for a possession of a buryingplace of Ephron the Hittite, before Mamre.

Genesis 50:14 After burying his father, Joseph returned to Egypt, together with his brothers and all the others who had gone with him to bury his father.

SECOND] (2) THE Jewish leaders buried their great leaders in Canaan.

Abraham was buried there

Sarah was buried there

Isaac was buried there

Rebekah was buried there

Israel was buried there

There was no conflict with the Canaanites during this entire period of biblical history & all the great Jewish leaders were buried beyond the river no where near the land now claimed to be Israel; period

But then again; the check the Jews used to pay for the burring place may have bounced and that caused a war between the Jews and the Canaanites?

end of this myth.
 
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One of the reasons you say God has Israel kill the Canaanites was because they practiced child sacrifice.

That was then but now they have decided to use other peoples children to sacrifice----

This boy
was in his own house and an IDF soldier barges into the house and shoots him dead Mohammed a 7-year-old boy fell dead, still clutching his piece of bread.
Tuesday December 23, 2003
Israel Army action breeds fresh hatred

Israel Baby is born then dies
September 11, 2003
Birth and death at the checkpoint
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/338937.html

Three shot in the back by Israeli snipers, one a 15-year-old boy
Siege off Nablus
January, 2004
15 year old boy who was shot while standing in front of his house. The sniper bulet hit Amjad in the back. He died on his way to the hospital. The second is Amer Kathym Arafat who was also shot in the back by a sniper bullet. The third is Rouhi Hazem Shouman, 25, who was also shot in the back by a sniper.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appeals/lift_the_siege.htm

Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and head while buying candy with her friends.
5 June 2004
The New Yorker’s Israel: Where Objectivity Fails

15 year old boy & Amer Kathym & Rouhi Hazem Shouman all shot in the back by a sniper.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appeals/lift_the_siege.htm

An eight-year-old Palestinian girl shot dead by Israeli troops in the central Gaza Strip was killed while showing off her new school uniform to friends
Lend me your swords

IDF shoots 13-year-old girl in the back with 20 bullets and then the IDF commander goes over to the girl and shoots her again to make sure she was dead
Tue., October 05, 2004
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/485274.html

“I have never before watched soldiers entice children like mice into a trap and murder them for sport."
http://www.israel-state-terrorism.org/children.html
http://tinyurl.com/8rmn2g3

Wait, this is not for sport, this is a sacrificial act
 
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