What think ye of Ezekiel's Temple?

ProtectionET · Jun 15, 2018

ralliann said:
So, you are preaching the same as Judaism here? They believed the promises made to our father Abraham were for them only. Is that what you are saying here?

What are you speaking about? I never even touched on the subject of God's promises to Abraham.

ralliann · Jun 15, 2018

ProtectionET said:
And from whom I was born (spiritually)? Church, she who by nationality?

There is a beautiful biblical image of the Church - Esther, who became the wife of a non-Jewish king, but then she discovered her true nationality to the king and and then she saved the Jews.

I feel like a Jew, the teaching of Jesus Christ made me a Jew: I'm looking for the Kingdom of God.

It is all about Gods faithfulness to perform the promises made in covenant with Abraham.

ralliann · Jun 15, 2018

ProtectionET said:
What are you speaking about? I never even touched on the subject of God's promises to Abraham.

I am speaking about the scriptural concept of inheritance....It is full of the notion. The concept of covenants and promises etc.

Heb 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

If not those concepts I have not a clue where your notions of scripture are coming from.

ProtectionET · Jun 15, 2018

ralliann said:
I am speaking about the scriptural concept of inheritance....It is full of the notion. The concept of covenants and promises etc.

Heb 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

If not those concepts I have not a clue where your notions of scripture are coming from.

Do I have to explain all the Scriptures? I have enough of what I have been doing so far: the prophecies of Ezekiel about the Third Temple and the related issues (the interpretation of Revelation, the problem of restoring the lost tribes of Israel, the Old Testament pointers to the exact date of the birth of Jesus Christ, the explanation of the numerical prophecies of the Bible). Or do you think that I should explain the whole Scripture? I'm not the Lord God.

BABerean2 · Jun 15, 2018

ProtectionET said:
Do you really think that on that day before the apostle Peter there was a crowd that was "all the house of Israel"? Or the conversion of the apostle Peter recorded in the Bible goes beyond the spatial and temporal limits of the crowd that was before him at that moment in time?

Maybe you missed the fact that Peter also addressed those present as "men of Israel".

Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

So much for your space-time illusion...

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ProtectionET · Jun 15, 2018

BABerean2 said:
Maybe you missed the fact that Peter also addressed those present as "men of Israel".

Representatives of the tribe of Judah and the allied tribes of Israel are Israelis. Equally, the representatives of Ephraim and the allied tribes of Israel are Israelis. Therefore, with the help of the Third Temple, there will be a combination of heavenly and earthly: messengers of Messiah Yeshua and present-day Jews.

If you adhere to a different point of view - this is your right. We will build the Third Temple without you: a relatively small number of Christians and Messianic Jews are sufficient for the construction of Ezekiel's Temple.

jgr · Jun 15, 2018

ProtectionET said:
Representatives of the tribe of Judah and the allied tribes of Israel are Israelis. Equally, the representatives of Ephraim and the allied tribes of Israel are Israelis. Therefore, with the help of the Third Temple, there will be a combination of heavenly and earthly: messengers of Messiah Yeshua and present-day Jews.

If you adhere to a different point of view - this is your right. We will build the Third Temple without you: a relatively small number of Christians and Messianic Jews are sufficient for the construction of Ezekiel's Temple.

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BABerean2 · Jun 15, 2018

ProtectionET said:
Representatives of the tribe of Judah and the allied tribes of Israel are Israelis. Equally, the representatives of Ephraim and the allied tribes of Israel are Israelis. Therefore, with the help of the Third Temple, there will be a combination of heavenly and earthly: messengers of Messiah Yeshua and present-day Jews.

If you adhere to a different point of view - this is your right. We will build the Third Temple without you: a relatively small number of Christians and Messianic Jews are sufficient for the construction of Ezekiel's Temple.

For some strange reason you are ignoring what Peter said in 1 Peter 2:4-10, about the true temple of God.

You are also ignoring what the author of the Book of Hebrews said about the fulfillment of the New Covenant and the end of sacrifices in Hebrews 10:16-18.

You are trying to go back to the mountain that burns with fire in Hebrews 12:18-24, instead of embracing the New Covenant fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary.

You and others may put together a building, but it will not be the temple of God.

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ralliann · Jun 15, 2018

ProtectionET said:
Do I have to explain all the Scriptures?

No Paul did that just fine...

ProtectionET · Jun 15, 2018

BABerean2 said:
For some strange reason you are ignoring what Peter said in 1 Peter 2:4-10, about the true temple of God.

Does it surprise you that the Lord God can be in different places at the same time? Nevertheless, this is so.
The presence of the material Temple does not hinder the existence of the spiritual Temple. On the contrary, the existence of a single material Temple allows all Israel to maintain its unity. And the presence of many national centers of worship among Christians led to the disintegration of the Church into many denominations.

BABerean2 said:
You are also ignoring what the author of the Book of Hebrews said about the fulfillment of the New Covenant and the end of sacrifices in Hebrews 10:16-18.

If a Jew stays in Jesus Christ, then he does not sin. Therefore, such a Jew will not need sacrifice for sin, in the Temple he will eat the meat of peaceful sacrifices.

In the Third Temple there are four (!) kitchens, where meat of peaceful sacrifices is roasted. This temple is designed specifically for peaceful sacrifices: there are 28 dining rooms. The possibility of sacrificing for sin is left for those who need it.

BABerean2 said:
You are trying to go back to the mountain that burns with fire in Hebrews 12:18-24, instead of embracing the New Covenant fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary.

On the contrary, it is only after the construction of the Third Temple, in accordance with the prophesy of Ezekiel, for all Jews, is opened the opportunity for their selfless service to God in the city of Yahweh Shamah. This city is the earthly embodiment of Heavenly Jerusalem, which is mentioned in the 12th chapter of the Epistle to the Hebrews.

keras · Jun 15, 2018

ProtectionET said:
For the curious: please read the book of Tobit, this is a parable.

The Prayer of Tobit
Tobit was an Israelite from the tribe of Naphtali. He, his wife Anna and son Tobias were taken from the town of Thisbe in Northern Galilee, into captivity by the Assyrians.

Tobit 13:1-14 Praise to the ever-living God and to His Kingdom. He both punishes and shows mercy, He brings some down to the grave below and saves others from the great destruction. Nothing can escape His power.

You Israelites, give Him thanks, for having scattered you among the nations, He has shown you His greatness there. Exalt our Lord and Father for ever.

Though for your sins He will punish you, yet He will show mercy to His people, wherever you may be dispersed around the world. When you turn to Him with all your heart and soul and act in loyal obedience to Him, then He will turn to you, He will hide His face from you no longer.
Consider now what He has done for you and with full voice give Him thanks, praise the righteous God and exalt the Eternal King.

In the land of my exile, I give thanks to Him, I declare His might and greatness to this sinful nation. You people who have turned away from the Lord: Turn back and do what is right and who knows, He may yet welcome you and show you mercy.

O Jerusalem, holy city, the Lord will punish you for what your people have done, but He will have mercy again on the righteous. Praise God for His goodness, for the sanctuary will be rebuilt, He will give rejoicing to His people, to the exiles now in distress and separated from their heritage.
The radiance of the Lord will shine to the ends of the earth, many peoples will come from every corner of the world, bearing gifts for the King. In Him endless generations will find joy, His chosen City will endure forever.

Accursed will be all who speak against You, all who cause destruction and fight against Your people. But forever blessed will be those who rebuild the holy Land and establish Your Kingdom.
Come then, be joyful for the righteous, for they will be gathered together and will live to praise their Redeemer. How happy will be all who love the Lord, happy in prosperity, happy to be released from the affliction of exile, rejoicing in His grace and mercy to them.

Tobit 14:7 All the Israelites who survive at that time [the end of the decreed exile] and are firm in their loyalty to the Lord will be brought together, they will come to Jerusalem to take possession of the Land of Abraham and will live there in peace and security. Those who love God in sincerity will rejoice, sinners and evildoers will disappear from the earth. Ref: REB Apocrypha

Keep up the good work that you have been tasked to do, ProtectionET.
Most people here have very fixed ideas about what they want God to do for them. So they are unable to see the glorious future of what He actually does Plan for His people.

ProtectionET · Jun 15, 2018

BABerean2 said:
You and others may put together a building, but it will not be the temple of God.

You have totalitarian thinking. I'm not forcing you to build the Temple: The temple will be built by those who want to fulfill the prophecy of Ezekiel. The prophet Isaiah wrote that the lion of Judaism will eat the straw of religion, and next to this lion there will be a child (City of Saints), near the lair of the serpent (wisdom). You want to forcibly drag the Jews into the order of the Christian denomination, which is just as far from what was between Jesus and His disciples, as modern Judaism is far from what God commanded them through Moses.

The Lord God does not offer violence, He offers peaceful coexistence. Therefore, we will build the Temple, this is real, the coincidence of the details of the description in Ezekiel's prophecy with real geography is simply amazing, everything converges to the smallest detail. Then, through the Eastern Gate, the glory of the Lord, the messengers of Jesus Christ, will appear in the Temple. It will be an act of faith, a sign for the whole world.

Then a difficult period of 2,300 evenings and mornings will begin, when the official Judaism and the main denominations of the Christian religion will ignore this accomplished event, will ignore the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and the Rapture of the Church. But there will come a time when orthodox Judaism will no longer be able to resist the obvious presence of God: they recognize Jesus Christ as the Messiah of Israel, they recognize the saints as saints, as the resurrected lost tribes of Israel. Then we will be allowed to build a city that is described in the 48th chapter of the book of the prophet Ezekiel.

I drew a scheme. The actual content of this scheme may differ from that drawn by me. But the main thing we see for sure: Ezekiel's Temple will be built.

BABerean2 · Jun 15, 2018

ProtectionET said:
The possibility of sacrificing for sin is left for those who need it.

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
(The two verses above are quoted from the promise of the New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34.)
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

What part of verse 18 above do you not understand?

What part of "It is finished." from John 19:30, do you not understand?

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keras · Jun 15, 2018

ProtectionET said:
Do you think that the apostle James knew nothing about the lost tribes of the Northern Kingdom, and he knew nothing of Isaiah's prophecy about the return of the lost tribes?

The continuing existence of the 10 Northern tribes is sure. The Jews knew about them; John 7:35, Josephus knew where they were, Rabbis in the Middle ages discussed the issue of when they would rejoin and Jews today know they just represent the two tribes of Judah and Benjamin. But the clincher is: God knows them all. Amos 9:9
God will fulfil His promises to the Patriarchs and their faithful descendants, actual and spiritual will live in all of the holy Land.
Those who revolt and rebel, will die in the desert, Ezekiel 20:34-38, as their forefathers did.

keras · Jun 15, 2018

ProtectionET said:
But the main thing we see for sure: Ezekiel's Temple will be built.

But it will NOT have the star of Rempham on its roof!

ProtectionET · Jun 15, 2018

BABerean2 said:
What part of "It is finished." from John 19:30, do you not understand?

You are so persistent. Do you think you have the right to arrange an exam for me? However, I am not your student. I told what I learned. Whether you understand this or not understood is your problem.

keras · Jun 15, 2018

BABerean2 said:
What part of "It is finished." from John 19:30, do you not understand?

Your overpromoted, over colored, and opinionated posts, are just ignored by me and I would think most others here.
What we do understand from the Word's of Jesus, is that His work is far from finished. He appeared to Paul and has to many other people who call in extremis to Him.
He said He would work for 2 'days' - 2000 years to us, Luke 31:32, and that He would always be with us. Matthew 28:20

There will be thank offerings and sacrifices for sins in the new Temple. Isaiah 56:6-7, Ezekiel 20:40-41, Zechariah 14:20-21
Who are you to say what God requires? He wanted sacrifices before and will do again.

ProtectionET · Jun 15, 2018

keras said:
But it will NOT have the star of Rempham on its roof!

I do not know anything about the star of Remphan.

Someone explained to me the meaning of these two triangles, and I think that this may mean: "Father-Word-Holy Spirit" - a triangle with an angle down, "spirit-soul-body" - a triangle with an angle up, both triangles intersect, this means God + Man, that is, the Messiah. Then it will be the sign of the Messiah.

In the architectural sense, the dome above the Temple is a means of protection against atmospheric precipitation (the Temple must stand for very long, eternity). The shape of the dome addresses us to the very beginning of the book of the prophet Ezekiel, when he saw the vault at the very top of which was the Son of Man. I would like to somehow mark the top of this dome.

I think that more than one person should work on this project. We must work on the project together, like one church. Then the guarantor of the correctness of our architectural constructions will be the Holy Spirit, whose revelations will be accepted by all of us and embodied in a concrete construction.

I would like the Lord to help us come to a common decision about the image of the star on top of the dome. I can not say that this star was shown to me by the Lord, but in our home church we did not have any objections to this star, because we had never seen the star of Remphan.

Can you tell me a reliable source where the star of Remphan is shown?

parousia70 · Jun 15, 2018

ProtectionET said:
Can you tell me a reliable source where the star of Remphan is shown?

Is St. Stephen Reliable enough for you?
Remphan. Remphan (hrem-'fan) was an ancient Egyptian deity worshiped through its idol. St. Stephen mentions Remphan as "the star of your god whose images you made to worship" in Acts 7:43

I'd think long and hard about affixing it to your superman fantasy temple if I were you.

ProtectionET · Jun 15, 2018

parousia70 said:
Is St. Stephen Reliable enough for you?
Remphan. Remphan (hrem-'fan) was an ancient Egyptian deity worshiped through its idol. St. Stephen mentions Remphan as "the star of your god whose images you made to worship" in Acts 7:43

I'd think long and hard about affixing it to your superman fantasy temple if I were you.

Unfortunately, the Acts does not describe the shape of this star. The article about Remphan in Wikipedia also does not indicate the number of rays in the star of this idol. I can not trust the numerous anti-Semitic speculations that equate the form of "Magen David" to the form of the star of the Ancient Egyptian idol.

That's why I'm asking if there are reliable images of the ancient idol of Remphan with the hexagon star known to us?

ProtectionET · Jun 15, 2018

keras said:
But it will NOT have the star of Rempham on its roof!

From the Russian version of Wikipedia - "Star of David":

The researcher of Jewish symbols Uri Ophir quotes Rabbi Moshe Feinstein, who in the response of Igroth Moshe (section Orach Chaim 3:15) indicates that the origins of the Star of David as a Jewish symbol are unknown.

Nevertheless, Ophir himself puts forward the version that the origin of the Star of David is associated with the temple menorah. Under each of her seven lamps there was a flower: "And make a lamp of pure gold; minted and made a lamp; his hip and his stem, his cups, his ovaries and his flowers should be from him "(Exodus 25:31). Uri Ophir believes that it was a white lily flower, which in form resembles Magen David. In support of this theory, he cites the ancient translation of the Bible of Onkelos into Aramaic, where the word פרח (flower) is translated as "lily". Ophir refers to the rabbi Abraham ibn Ezra (1093-1167), who in his commentary on the Song of Songs writes that in this work the fragrant lily with its six petals (lily, Hebrew שו имеет, has the same root as the number 6 - Hebrew שש) symbolizes the Jewish people :
"I am Sharon's daffodil, the lily of the valleys! As between the thorns of the lily, so is my friend between the virgins.
(Song 2: 1-2)
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Professor Yehuda Felix in the book "Nature and Earth Israel in the Bible" identifies the biblical lily with a white lily (Lilium candidum) - the only kind of lilies growing in these places in the wild. The petals of the white lily, as Ophir shows, are symmetrically arranged and in the expanded form form a regular six-pointed star, now known as the Star of David. The lamp was located in the center of the flower, so that the priest lit the fire as if in the center of a six-pointed star. Ophir also gives another proof of his correctness. In the third book of Kings it is told about how King Solomon ordered to put on two sides of the entrance to the Temple two huge copper columns, about 9 meters high. These columns were called Yakhin and Boaz. In the upper part of them there was a crown about two meters in diameter in the form of a lily: "And in the vestibule the crowns on the top of the pillars are made [like a lily] ... And he set the pillars to the porch of the temple; put the pillar on the right side and gave it the name of Jachin, and put the pillar on the left side and gave it the name of Boaz. And over the pillars he set [wreaths] made [like] lilies ... "(3 Samuel 7: 19-22). Ophir connects this mention with the version that in the menorah the cups had the shape of lilies, referring to the text of Maimonides (Laws of the Temple, 3: 3): "flowers [in the menorah] are the same as flowers on columns"

Do we have any grounds not to trust this explanation?

What think ye of Ezekiel's Temple?

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