Losing faith in "faith alone"

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What is a disciple? The dictionary defines a disciple as, "Someone who follows another person or another way of life and who submits himself to the discipline (teaching) of that leader or way. (Bakers Ency. of the Bible. Vol 1, pg629)

So to be a disciple or bear the name of a leader one must be to some degree following that leader or teaching. First you are converted, and then the process of becoming conformed to that leader or belief begins.


  • ILLUS: The Moonies follow: Tan Sun Moon.
    Mormons follow their prophet and General authorities.
    Evolutionists follow: Darwin, Carl Segan and the teachers of evolution.
    Masons follow: Teaching of Masonic order.
    Jehovah's Witnesses follow the teachings of Russell Taylor and their leaders in Brooklyn, NY
    Christians follow: Christ?

    Would you call a person a Christian who did not follow Christ or pattern their life by the teachings of Jesus Christ?

    I. WHO RIGHTLY IS A CHRISTIAN?

    A. New Testament tells us that Christ began His ministry by calling "disciples." They latter were called "apostles" which means "ones sent forth." First they were disciples - the twelve were called apostles and they were then sent out to teach others.

    Often we understand the disciples were only the twelve, however, it was the name given to all who believed in Christ.

    (a) Acts 6:1-2, 7. All those who were saved were called "disciples".

    (b) Acts 9:1,19,25-26,38. Paul is said to have persecuted the disciples of Christ.

    (c) Acts 11:26. The disciples were then begun to be called "Christians" meaning "Christ like ones.”

Again, one should be careful to not mix salvation up with discipleship. (Regardless of what the dictionary tells you).

Saved by the obedience of ONE really means ONE. (Lest anyone continue to say we are saved by our own obedience) That is a blatant contradiction of Scripture.
 
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discipler7 said:
When will believers enter heaven.?
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Upon death, if they're saved. If they endured to the end.
Not quite correct.

Believers do not enter heaven upon death, at least not straightaway. First, they are resurrected by God/Spirit to be with their Lord Jesus Christ.(1THESS.4:16-17) Thereafter, they spend 1,000 years(= the Millennium) with Christ in love, joy and peace on a new earth while Satan and his demons are imprisoned somewhere else. ...
 
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Really? Giving away his wife on two separate occasions to another man because he didn't have faith that the same God who had promised him a son through that very wife would preserve his life from danger?

Whatever is not of faith is sin. You don't get to redefine sin as you so choose, and neither do I.
I'm not sure what you're speaking of...
Please explain better.

Abraham did not give his wife away...
He had his maid, Hagar have a baby for him.
Sarah gave the maid to him as a "wife".
This was done back in that culture.
What was a sin was that he didn't obey God.
Not that Hagar had a baby for him.

Are you speaking of Genesis 16?
 
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I can't just "like" button this. Thank you for the acknowledgement. Thank you for the encouragement. And to elaborate on why some don't want to understand it...

It is because the truth of the Gospel is, especially at first, uncomfortable to say the least. Real belief begins with the understanding that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and that our sin has separated us from Him, and that He paid the ultimate price to atone for our rebellion. It is the realization that we are in need of the salvation which only He can offer. This discomfort was expressed by those who first made the realization at Pentecost. They were "cut to the heart". As if the Gospel had stabbed them in the chest. Not an image of warm fuzziness. It is called guilt. Likened to how one feels or should feel, when they hurt (or more accurately: kill) someone for whom they genuinely care, multiplied exponentially. That's precisely what they (and we) have all done to the Messiah.

When one approaches the Savior from that appropriate perspective, it is only then that they can truly come to appreciate how much He loves us. It is then that they purpose to be reconciled back to Him on His terms, because He has already made the path to reconciliation available. It is then that they seek to find out what He said the path is is based on where He said it, not what someone else has told them their entire life, not what their preacher/pastor/adviser says. Not what reassures them that they have no part in all of it. What He says motivates the contrite heart to obedience.

But modern churchianity is only interested in warm and fuzzy. They only want to hear about the love of God and nothing of His justice or wrath. They want their own standard of authority instead of His. They want Godly joy without Godly sorrow. They want eternal security without taking up their cross. They want their sinful lusts and desires along with the license their "grace" gives them to pursue those things. They don't want to hear that they can fall from grace. That it is possible to abandon Him who they first loved. That a lion seeks to devour them, that they are his chief target, ambition, and goal, and that he in fact CAN devour them if they allow it. Just like Eve did when he convinced her "you shall not surely die". As if he has stopped his murderous crusade against the Father of Light and the crown of His creation...us...His children. As if they become immune to those things when they "believe". That's exactly what the father of lies wants us to think. We are immune.

So they systematically remove anything from scripture at all that has to do with their responsibility. They can fill up their "sanctuaries" and coffers with people and money that serve those interests. Hence, "that's not Christians", "that's not water", "that's not fallen from grace", "that's not severed from Christ", "that's not twice dead", "that's not dead faith", "Paul was concerned about disqualification, but we need not be" ad infinitum. It is literally the primrose path to destruction.

Man I hate false doctrine. Sorry. Rant complete. For now. :)
I hate false doctrine too!
Wow. What more could be said.
You've said it all.

I've always said that those that can speak as they do, do so for one of two reasons:
1. They don't understand what sin is.
2. They don't understand how holy God is.

The closer one gets to God, the more he feels like he sins every day --- NOT LESS....and thus... The more we throw ourselves at the feet of Jesus and beg His mercy. He's my friend, but He's also GOD.

We could never do enough for God for what HE did for us.
But we accept this and do the best we can.
We shouldn't, however, state that Jesus did it all so we are to do nothing, or at least this is what is implied.

Jesus did NOT do it all.
HE did HIS part...
Now WE do OUR part.

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I can't just "like" button this. Thank you for the acknowledgement. Thank you for the encouragement. And to elaborate on why some don't want to understand it...

It is because the truth of the Gospel is, especially at first, uncomfortable to say the least. Real belief begins with the understanding that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and that our sin has separated us from Him, and that He paid the ultimate price to atone for our rebellion.

Agreed.

It is the realization that we are in need of the salvation which only He can offer.

Agreed.

This discomfort was expressed by those who first made the realization at Pentecost. They were "cut to the heart". As if the Gospel had stabbed them in the chest. Not an image of warm fuzziness. It is called guilt. Likened to how one feels or should feel, when they hurt (or more accurately: kill) someone for whom they genuinely care, multiplied exponentially. That's precisely what they (and we) have all done to the Messiah.

Absolutely true.

When one approaches the Savior from that appropriate perspective, it is only then that they can truly come to appreciate how much He loves us. It is then that they purpose to be reconciled back to Him on His terms, because He has already made the path to reconciliation available. It is then that they seek to find out what He said the path is is based on where He said it, not what someone else has told them their entire life, not what their preacher/pastor/adviser says.

Agreed.

Not what reassures them that they have no part in all of it. What He says motivates the contrite heart to obedience.

I don't know about you, but I find it wonderful and, yes, reassuring to know that I can have complete assurance ("rest") in my Saviour because I know He really has forgiven me and saved me, to the "uttermost." One who has been forgiven much loves much, so yes, indeed, there is no greater motivator than the grace, mercy and forgiveness of God. What profound joy in knowing Jesus saved a wretched sinner like myself!

But modern churchianity is only interested in warm and fuzzy. They only want to hear about the love of God and nothing of His justice or wrath. They want their own standard of authority instead of His. They want Godly joy without Godly sorrow.

Agreed. What you say is unfortunately true. However, what we also need to remember is that saved, born again and sealed believers are no longer under the condemnation or wrath of God.

They want eternal security without taking up their cross.

Many hate "eternal security" and I truly have no idea why. It was such a revelation to me, even after years of attending church services, to realize that Jesus actually had done enough to save me and that He truly would never leave me or forsake me and no one could ever take me out of His hand.

They want their sinful lusts and desires along with the license their "grace" gives them to pursue those things. They don't want to hear that they can fall from grace. That it is possible to abandon Him who they first loved. That a lion seeks to devour them, that they are his chief target, ambition, and goal, and that he in fact CAN devour them if they allow it. Just like Eve did when he convinced her "you shall not surely die". As if he has stopped his murderous crusade against the Father of Light and the crown of His creation...us...His children. As if they become immune to those things when they "believe". That's exactly what the father of lies wants us to think. We are immune.

Actually, the "father of lies" is the "accuser of the brethern", he is the one that wants saved, born again and sealed believers to constantly question whether they really are saved. He is the one that wants us looking to ourselves and our own efforts, rather than keeping our eyes on Christ. He is the one that wants to steal all of our hope, peace and joy. He is the one who wants us to stay burdened and fearful, doubting that we're saved. He is the one who has always whispered "has God really said?"

Has God really said Jesus did enough to save you and keep you saved?
Has God really said you can "rest" in Him?
Has God really said that it is only through Christ you are saved, and not by your own obedience?
Has God really said that salvation is a gift and not a reward?
Has God really said that Jesus in the only Way to the Father?
Has God really said salvation is by grace, through faith and not of works?
Has God really said that if you believe, your faith is counted for righteousness?
Has God really said that no one is justified by the works of the Law?
Has God really said that all your "righteous deeds" are as "filthy rags?

So they systematically remove anything from scripture at all that has to do with their responsibility.

That can be the case, it certainly isn't true of everyone who believes in "eternal security.

They can fill up their "sanctuaries" and coffers with people and money that serve those interests. Hence, "that's not Christians", "that's not water", "that's not fallen from grace", "that's not severed from Christ", "that's not twice dead", "that's not dead faith", "Paul was concerned about disqualification, but we need not be" ad infinitum. It is literally the primrose path to destruction.

It seems you are writing about the "prosperity Gospel".

Man I hate false doctrine. Sorry. Rant complete. For now. :)

Agreed. So do I. I hate that people are kept under bondage and condemnation (because I've been there). I hate that people are caught up in looking to themselves and their own obedience to be saved. I hate that so many don't see that Christ actually did not fail in what He came to do, that He did in fact do everything necessary to saved us "to the uttermost." Forever. He casts none out and He loses none.

All praise and glory to God Who is faithful, even when we fail.
 
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It makes absolute sense as we are dealing with YHWH and not human reason.


Give up because God is Sovereign of His own creation? It is not a matter of giving up on what God has provided, but giving up relying on ourselves and humbly serve Him. To rest in His gift of Grace and not rely on the world and our personal idols.


What I stated is God chooses. It's everywhere in the Bible. Noah, Abraham, Moses, David and the list goes on. Hebrews 11 gives a good run down. God even chose reluctant Jonah. God did not wait to see if Saul of Tarsus was going to turn another leaf. He chose Saul, confronted him and told him he was His chosen vessel to bring the Gospel to the Gentiles (Acts 9:15).



Actually no. See above. God truly chooses and even the apostles were chosen. 11 for His Grace and one for destruction (Judas) (John 6:70-71).

God chooses and does what He pleases, showing grace to some and hardening the hearts of others (Romans 9:18).

This is a central Biblical doctrine:

Isaiah 55: NASB

8For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD.


9For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways
And My thoughts than your thoughts.


10“For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven,
And do not return there without watering the earth
And making it bear and sprout,
And furnishing seed to the sower and bread to the eater;


11So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth;
It will not return to Me empty,
Without accomplishing what I desire,
And without succeeding
in the matter for which I sent it.


Isaiah 45: NASB
9“Woe to the one who quarrels with his Maker—
An earthenware vessel among the vessels of earth!
Will the clay say to the potter, ‘What are you doing?’
Or the thing you are making
say, ‘He has no hands’?

10“Woe to him who says to a father, ‘What are you begetting?’
Or to a woman, ‘To what are you giving birth?’”


11Thus says the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker:
“Ask Me about the things to come concerning My sons,
And you shall commit to Me the work of My hands.


12“It is I who made the earth, and created man upon it.
I stretched out the heavens with My hands
And I ordained all their host.


13“I have aroused him in righteousness
And I will make all his ways smooth;
He will build My city and will let My exiles go free,
Without any payment or reward,” says the LORD of hosts.


Romans 9: NASB
6But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “THROUGH ISAAC YOUR DESCENDANTS WILL BE NAMED.” 8That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants. 9For this is the word of promise: “AT THIS TIME I WILL COME, AND SARAH SHALL HAVE A SON.” 10And not only this, but there was Rebekah also, when she had conceived twins by one man, our father Isaac; 11for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls, 12it was said to her, “THE OLDER WILL SERVE THE YOUNGER.” 13Just as it is written, “JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED.”

14What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! 15For He says to Moses, “I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION.” 16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. 17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH.” 18So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires.

19You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?” 20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it? 21Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? 22What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? 23And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, 24even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles.



To coin a modern term "It ain't about us, it's about Him." Which if we are to put in more formal and reverent manner:

Soli Deo Gloria!
yes, well man sure isn't going to get the glory.

And you got a like and an award.
That means that those who gave them to you ALSO do not understand that Romans 9 is not talking about individual salvation but about the nation of Israel.

Please study Romans 9 to 11. If you care to know the truth and not what you've been taught. BECAUSE one has to be taught what you know... it does not come naturally from the bible.

Romans 11:24-25
Check it out. It's a lengthy study, but worth it for those who want to know the truth.

God is a loving and good God.
He DOES NOT predestine people to hell.
Think about this...
 
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Of course the just shall live by faith. No faith...no salvation.
So on this thread we're all talking about saved persons.

"God empowers for service". What does that mean?
Also, you mention "sanctifies". What does sanctifies mean?

If you read 1 Cor. 12 here it describes the church as the body of Christ and a Temple of the Holy Spirit. The word for gift is 'chirisma', translated 'gifts', literally means Grace. A good working definition is unmerited favor, the work of the ministry, the building up of the body of Christ is literally done by gifts of grace in the power of the Holy Spirit. These can rightly be described as works of righteousness, inextricably linked to the fruit of the Holy Spiririt, aka peaceable fruits of righteousness. Works which are a part of your salvation are themselves gifts of grace.


Righteousness IS by grace through faith. In Romans what was Paul comparing this to?

Works of the Law, aka legalism.

So we just love one another and sing Kumbaja?
What does love one another mean, exactly?

After washing the disciple feet Jesus said your master washed your feet, a menial task, you should serve one another in this way. They had argued who was the greatest, Jesus said to be greatest is to be servant of all.

Now salvation, aka justification, is the same Greek word sometimes translated righteousness or justice. The moment of justification at conversion starts the sanctification process by which we become more righteous, holy and good. While we can do nothing to provide for our own salvation, we can participate in the sanctification of belivers as the become the righteousness of Gox in thought word and deed. To love one another is to give asking nothing in return, to forgive as you are forgives, to exercise the gifts of grace to build up the body of Christ as the HolybSpirit provides for for these acts emersed in the love and grace of the one who loved us and gave himself for us.
 
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Again, one should be careful to not mix salvation up with discipleship. (Regardless of what the dictionary tells you).

Saved by the obedience of ONE really means ONE. (Lest anyone continue to say we are saved by our own obedience) That is a blatant contradiction of Scripture.
@Jason0047 's explanation of discipleship is right on.

It'll be good reading for others.
Not everyone wants to learn. Some just stick to their incorrect Opinion.
 
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I'm not sure what you're speaking of...
Please explain better.

Abraham did not give his wife away...
He had his maid, Hagar have a baby for him.
Sarah gave the maid to him as a "wife".
This was done back in that culture.
What was a sin was that he didn't obey God.
Not that Hagar had a baby for him.

Are you speaking of Genesis 16?

Genesis 12 & Genesis 20

Also, you bring up another important point. Abraham and Sarah's decision to have Hagar have a child with Abraham was another instance where they failed to trust God (who had already promised them they would have their own son). The "promise"/Gospel was given to Abraham in Genesis 15 and in Genesis 16 we read that for some reason Abraham and Sarah doubted God, so they took matters into their own hands.

Also of note, Abraham's son, Issac (the son of the promise) also did the same thing his father had with his own wife, Rebekah, (Genesis 26) and right after God had confirmed the oath of descendants that He had promised Abraham!
 
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@Jason0047 's explanation of discipleship is right on.

It'll be good reading for others.
Not everyone wants to learn. Some just stick to their incorrect Opinion.

I agree. Many don't want to learn.
 
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Not quite correct.

Believers do not enter heaven upon death, at least not straightaway. First, they are resurrected by God/Spirit to be with their Lord Jesus Christ.(1THESS.4:16-17) Thereafter, they spend 1,000 years(= the Millennium) with Christ in love, joy and peace on a new earth while Satan and his demons are imprisoned somewhere else. ...
I don't believe in soul sleep.
We either have a soul or we don't.
It's either alive in the spirit or it's dead.
I believe that upon death we go to be where we're supposed to be.

Luke 23:43
2 Corinthians 5:8
Philippians 1:23
 
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We shouldn't, however, state that Jesus did it all so we are to do nothing, or at least this is what is implied.

Jesus did NOT do it all.
HE did HIS part...
Now WE do OUR part.

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Hebrews 10:
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12
But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
 
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If you read Romans 12, where it describes the church as the body of Christ and a Temple of the Holy Spirit. The word for gift is 'chirisma', translated 'gifts', literally means Grace. A good working definition is unmediated favor, the work of the ministry, the building up of the body of Christ is literally done by gifts of grace in the power of the Holy Spirit. These can rightly be described as works of righteousness, inextricably linked to the fruit of the Holy Spiririt, aka peaceable fruits of righteousness. Works which are a part of your salvation are themselves gifts of grace.
Where in Romans 12 is the word Chrism used?
Chrism means annointed, not gift. Please state the verse. I can't remember this. Yes, grace is much more, but unmerited favor is ok. And yes, we do need the help of the Holy Spirit for righteous works which are done for God and not for salvation.

Works of the Law, aka legalism.
Agreed.

After washing the disciple feet Jesus said your master washed your feet, a menial task, you should serve one another in this way. They had argued who was the greatest, Jesus said to be greatest is to be servant of all.
Agreed. By being a servant we mean that we're to help as much as we can and be useful in whatever way we can be.

Now salvation, aka justification, is the same Greek word sometimes translated righteousness or justice. The moment of justification at conversion starts the sanctification process by which we become more righteous, holy and good. While we can do nothing to provide for our own salvation, we can participate in the sanctification of belivers as the become the righteousness of Gox in thought word and deed. To love one another is to give asking nothing in return, to forgive as you are forgives, to exercise the gifts of grace to build up the body of Christ as the HolybSpirit provides for for these acts emersed in the love and grace of the one who loved us and gave himself for us.
AMEN!
 
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Genesis 12 & Genesis 20

Also, you bring up another important point. Abraham and Sarah's decision to have Hagar have a child with Abraham was another instance where they failed to trust God (who had already promised them they would have their own son). The "promise"/Gospel was given to Abraham in Genesis 15 and in Genesis 16 we read that for some reason Abraham and Sarah doubted God, so they took matters into their own hands.

Also of note, Abraham's son, Issac (the son of the promise) also did the same thing his father had with his own wife, Rebekah, (Genesis 26) and right after God had confirmed the oath of descendants that He had promised Abraham!
OK.
Got you on Genesis 12 and 20.
I agree.
It was wrong, it was a sin.
What you said is correct...
 
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God is grieved by those who sin. Well, if God is the one who determines who is saved or not saved, then God should not be grieved by those who sin.
God is indeed grieved by those who sin and grieves over the lost. Yet as I mentioned earlier YHWH chooses and His Will will be done.

But we see God change His mind about the Ninevites.
He delayed their judgment as He did Israel and Judah. The judgment of Nineveh, a nation God did not have a covenant with, met their demise as we see in the book of Nahum.

The LORD is slow to anger and great in power,
And the LORD will by no means leave
the guilty unpunished.
In whirlwind and storm is His way,
And clouds are the dust beneath His feet.
(Nahum 1:3)

Judgment and wrath was coming for them.
And YHWH in His mercy and longsuffering spared them. The message from Jonah was the direct Words of God and as such the city populace responded to God acting through His words. You would have a point if Nineveh repented without a prophet to warn them.

But they were able to avert God's wrath or judgment because they repented.
Again, they repented after hearing the word of God. Same with us, we repent based on hearing the Gospel and God gives us a spirit of repentance.

For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death. (2 Corinthians 7:10)

Not because God changed them so as to make them repent.
Making them repent as making a computer run a program is much different than a repentance according to the will of God. See above from 2 Corinthians 7:10

So yes. It is up to us to determine if we are going to repent or not.
Not according to the apostle Paul:

Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? (Romans 2:4)

Nor Jesus:

John 16: NASB
7“But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. 8“And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; 9concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; 11and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.


God even says in His Word that He commands all men to repent.
Yes Acts 17:30. That does not negate Jesus saying the Holy Spirit convicts of sin nor Paul telling us God leads us to repentance.

Again, this kind of statement makes no sense if God chooses some to be saved and others to not be saved. It is just silly to say so otherwise.
Well it's not silly as demonstrated in my previous post God chooses. God is Sovereign in His Gift of Salvation. Ask me to explain it, I can't, but that is what we have revealed...God is Sovereign and He chooses. Who am I as the formed clay to contend with the Potter.

Ephesians 1: NASB
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love 5He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, 6to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved. 7In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace 8which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight 9He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Him 10with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. In Him 11also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, 12to the end that we who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory. 13In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.

Notice what I bolded and underlined above. That says it all....It's for His Glory.
 
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Hebrews 10:
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
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But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
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For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
You refuse to study theology and insist on not having some biblical passages explained...so I cease.

I'll only say this...
I could prove to you that the N.T. uses the word sanctification in different ways, for example -- in tense, sometimes it says we WERE sanctified, sometimes it says we ARE sanctified and sometimes it says we WILL BE sanctified.

It took theologians to study this thoroughly and explain it in a way that makes sense so that Christianity makes sense.

You won't agree with the above, your prerogative.
Theology has helped me to understand a lot.
 
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You refuse to study theology and insist on not having some biblical passages explained...so I cease.

I'll only say this...
I could prove to you that the N.T. uses the word sanctification in different ways, for example -- in tense, sometimes it says we WERE sanctified, sometimes it says we ARE sanctified and sometimes it says we WILL BE sanctified.

It took theologians to study this thoroughly and explain it in a way that makes sense so that Christianity makes sense.

You won't agree with the above, your prerogative.
Theology has helped me to understand a lot.

It is your assumption that I haven't studied, which is false. In any case, the Gospel is simple, a little child can understand. (Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to such as these.)

You said Jesus didn't do it all, Scripture plainly says He did. It's not up for interpretation. You either believe Him, or you don't.
 
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You forgot to add "but remain faithful" after "fail".

Salvation isn't due to our faithfulness, but to God's. Take Abraham for example, twice he gave away Sarah, the wife through whom God had promised him descendants, and through whom Christ would ultimately come. Abraham was faithless in doing so, yet God remained faithful and did not forsake Abraham or retract His promise. The same thing happened with Issac and Rebekah, but, again God was faithful to His promise. It's always been about the Gospel and it's always been and always will be thanks to the faithfulness of God that we are saved and kept securely.

Even our very temporary earthly lives are thanks to His generous mercy and provision. Not a single one of us has any reason to boast before Him. None. We can take credit for nothing.
 
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