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The fact is, though, that those Republicans do not square with your recollections.

1. Obama was not a success or a winner (except for winning the Nobel Peace Prize for doing nothing)...
How do you define a "winner"?

Does winning a senatorial campaign not count as winning? Is being a successful attorney, graduated from Harvard Law not a winner?

Does winning a candidacy nomination, then presidential election and then re-election not count as a winner in your book?

2. and they do not embrace Trump because of his personal, pre-presidential lifestyle.
They excuse it for political gain.

And you are quite wrong to say he makes Clinton an Obama look like choir boys. On that matter, it is the other way around.
How many inappropriate contentstars had to sue Obama for an affair he tried to keep under wraps? How many times has Obama been remarried?
 
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Invasion of illegal immigrants, why do you think a southern border wall has been law for 30 or more years as a political platform to get elected ? All those presidents touted it and congress made it law .. And why would it be advantageous to the democrat work force to flood the labor market with unskilled illegals competing for their jobs and keeping wages low when they did find employment .. Explain to me how that makes sense ..
I see. When I read "invasion" I thought of incursion by an organized armed force, not unarmed peasants sneaking across the border.
 
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The fact is, though, that those Republicans do not square with your recollections.
Please excuse the auto correction my phone applied to that statement. It was supposed to be sinning not winning.
 
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I have to chuckle a little about my Democrat friends. Someone will accuse Donald Trump of having committed a sin years ago, and the Democrats will seem to be so angry, when in fact, my Bible tells me we’ve ALL sinned. Instead of being angry, maybe the Democrats should ask, “Why do people gossip so much?”

Woosh.

People aren't aghast that a human being has committed a sin in the past. People are rightly pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of Trump's supporters and other conservatives who are entirely willing to pretend they have some kind of moral high ground, but who conveniently look the other way when it's their guy.

That Trump has been unfaithful to his wives is neither shocking nor problematic as far as his occupation of the White House.

The Right condemns politicians for not being Christian or "Christian" (or being Christian enough), condemns people for past moral failings, etc. All. The. Time.

For eight years Obama was accused by the unhinged extremists on the Right of being a secret Muslim, his religious identity and/or religious devotion was a major focus of conspiracy and criticism. But then when it comes to Donald Trump, suddenly it's just not important, after all they weren't electing a pastor, but a president, and suddenly the president's religious proclivities are irrelevant. It's that kind of hypocrisy that is being pointed out.

I couldn't care less about what Donald's religious beliefs, or lackthereof, are. What I do care about is obvious hypocrisy and double-speak. And you'll find that is precisely the source and cause of criticism on these topics coming from most of us.

Trump's infidelity is something we might take issue with on purely moral grounds, the same as we would take issue with infidelity in any public figure's life--but that isn't the source of criticism, since that has absolutely no relevancy to whether a public official can do their job. To repeat what I've said several times however: What is the criticism is that there are those who have argued, repeatedly, in the past that things such as infidelity are grounds for a public official not having their job, but who now suddenly think very differently since it's their guy. It is the purely arbitrary and subjective application of moral standards that is utterly hypocritical that causes us to point it out, and deride it for the naked hypocrisy and moral bankruptsy it is. Because it is clear evidence that, at the end of the day, it was never about right and wrong, it was never about applying a clear, objective, moral standard to people taking up public office: it was only ever one thing and one thing only: a tool of manipulation for the singular purpose of attaining or retaining political power.

Power is not a moral virtue, and if power is the sole virtue one seeks to extol and attain, then know that we see through the charade. The emperor has no clothes.

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But you get the point either way, right ? The Word of God is our guide, if I don't know of a perversion then I don't need to react, but what do you do when when you are confronted and how should you react accordingly ? It is sad imo that we are forced with the situations and I don't really care .. What some one does in private I don't know or care .. But am I wrong that the Bible makes clear distinctions ?
The Bible doesn't address gender dysmorphia or bathroom use. The bathroom use has nothing to do with "perversion".
 
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2. and they do not embrace Trump because of his personal, pre-presidential lifestyle.
No, it's not that so much as his clear incompetence and non-stop hate-mongering. Oh, and all the lies he tells every day.

And you are quite wrong to say he makes Clinton an Obama look like choir boys. On that matter, it is the other way around.
No, it really is not, especially re Obama.
 
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Woosh.

People aren't aghast that a human being has committed a sin in the past. People are rightly pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of Trump's supporters and other conservatives who are entirely willing to pretend they have some kind of moral high ground, but who conveniently look the other way when it's their guy.

That Trump has been unfaithful to his wives is neither shocking nor problematic as far as his occupation of the White House.

The Right condemns politicians for not being Christian or "Christian" (or being Christian enough), condemns people for past moral failings, etc. All. The. Time.

For eight years Obama was accused by the unhinged extremists on the Right of being a secret Muslim, his religious identity and/or religious devotion was a major focus of conspiracy and criticism. But then when it comes to Donald Trump, suddenly it's just not important, after all they weren't electing a pastor, but a president, and suddenly the president's religious proclivities are irrelevant. It's that kind of hypocrisy that is being pointed out.

I couldn't care less about what Donald's religious beliefs, or lackthereof, are. What I do care about is obvious hypocrisy and double-speak. And you'll find that is precisely the source and cause of criticism on these topics coming from most of us.

Trump's infidelity is something we might take issue with on purely moral grounds, the same as we would take issue with infidelity in any public figure's life--but that isn't the source of criticism, since that has absolutely no relevancy to whether a public official can do their job. To repeat what I've said several times however: What is the criticism is that there are those who have argued, repeatedly, in the past that things such as infidelity are grounds for a public official not having their job, but who now suddenly think very differently since it's their guy. It is the purely arbitrary and subjective application of moral standards that is utterly hypocritical that causes us to point it out, and deride it for the naked hypocrisy and moral bankruptsy it is. Because it is clear evidence that, at the end of the day, it was never about right and wrong, it was never about applying a clear, objective, moral standard to people taking up public office: it was only ever one thing and one thing only: a tool of manipulation for the singular purpose of attaining or retaining political power.

Power is not a moral virtue, and if power is the sole virtue one seeks to extol and attain, then know that we see through the charade. The emperor has no clothes.

-CryptoLutheran
I have addressed the possibility of Trumps affair .. I've never seen an Obama supporter address Larry Sinclair's affair with Obama .. And certainly not the MSM ..
 
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I have addressed the possibility of Trumps affair .. I've never seen an Obama supporter address Larry Sinclair's affair with Obama .. And certainly not the MSM ..

Who?

So I had to Google that one.

Yeah, I can think of a few reasons why "Obama supporters" haven't addressed Larry Sinclair's "affair" with Obama.

1) It's a stupid conspiracy theory put forward by people with a history of lying and fraud; and only picked up by "media" outlets known for propagating stupid conspiracy theories and outright lying, e.g. WND.

2) See point 1.

3) See points 1 and 2.

I don't waste time nor brain cells traveling down the insane rabbit holes of right wing conspiracy nuttery. I suspect most liberal folks don't, as such I suspect most of us simply have no clue who Larry Sinclair is--I had never even heard the name until just now.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Who?

So I had to Google that one.

Yeah, I can think of a few reasons why "Obama supporters" haven't addressed Larry Sinclair's "affair" with Obama.

1) It's a stupid conspiracy theory put forward by people with a history of lying and fraud; and only picked up by "media" outlets known for propagating stupid conspiracy theories and outright lying, e.g. WND.

2) See point 1.

3) See points 1 and 2.

I don't waste time nor brain cells traveling down the insane rabbit holes of right wing conspiracy nuttery. I suspect most liberal folks don't, as such I suspect most of us simply have no clue who Larry Sinclair is--I had never even heard the name until just now.

-CryptoLutheran
It was uncontested sworn testimony affidavit under penalty of perjury .. But he some how ended up dead ..
 
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I never did that. So you can stop with the implications.

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I have to chuckle a little about my Democrat friends. Someone will accuse Donald Trump of having committed a sin years ago, and the Democrats will seem to be so angry, when in fact, my Bible tells me we’ve ALL sinned. Instead of being angry, maybe the Democrats should ask, “Why do people gossip so much?”

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Why are you outraged over the Democrats?


‘Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
 
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‘Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
And? Where was it stated that my comment had anything to do with chuckling?
 
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I don't know, I thought he was found''hanged'' around 2014.. Where is he ?

You'll be shocked and relieved to find out that he's still alive, and giving interviews about Stormy to the Daily Caller! A fate worse than death, that crafty Obama!

Also, I can't even find a woo site that claims he signed an affidavit. I did discover that he failed a lie detector test on a live broadcast. Which it seems to me would be perjury, which would send him to jail.

It was uncontested sworn testimony affidavit under penalty of perjury .. But he some how ended up dead ..

Literally everything you claimed here is a bald-faced lie.

Don't do that.
 
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