Second Bible Read Thread

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2 Samuel 12:8 and I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would have added unto thee such and such things.
..the struggle is at trying to be content at what God has given or allowed in life, and to be patient that He can provide. Temptation comes and it's so easy to forget that God can satisfy that which a person longs for. Lust doesn't give God chance to give us something better.

1 Chronicles 20:3 And he brought forth the people that were therein, and cut [them] with saws, and with harrows of iron, and with axes. And thus did David unto all the cities of the children of Ammon. And David and all the people returned to Jerusalem.

this kinda got my attention, why would an all loving God allow these people to be tortured like this? But upon further inspection, the Ammonites worshiped the fire god Molech and sacrificed babies to it. One thing I think many forget is that God both has to stand for Love and Justice. Just like a coin has a head and a tail. God is not to trifle with.

Psalm 32:7 Thou art my hiding-place; thou wilt preserve me from trouble; Thou wilt compass me about with songs of deliverance. Selah
This reminded me of this song...

Psalm 86:8 There is none like unto thee among the gods, O Lord; Neither [are there any works] like unto thy works.
And another classic song...

2 Samuel 13:13 And I, whither shall I carry my shame? and as for thee, thou wilt be as one of the fools in Israel. Now therefore, I pray thee, speak unto the king; for he will not withhold me from thee.
15 Then Amnon hated her with exceeding great hatred; for the hatred wherewith he hated her was greater than the love wherewith he had loved her. And Amnon said unto her, Arise, be gone.
In this scenario, Tamar was doing her best to convince Amnon to do the right thing, to which he did not because he was overcome with lust. Interestingly, what he thought would feel fulfilling, left him empty and brought shame to him and harm to Tamar.
There's really virtue in waiting and patience, sometimes when we act on things based on our feelings following the lust of the flesh we end up making a fool out of ourselves, hurting ourselves and others, and displeasing God in the process of temporary pleasures.

2 Samuel 15 - very sad family dynamics with David and his sons, one a rapist, one a murderer and soon wanted to usurp the throne. Very interesting that the Bible doesn't hide the complicated events of humanity. All things have consequences, very messy albeit in these case.

2 Samuel 14 - I got confused at the story of the wise woman of Tekoa...actually, first time for me to really read about her..This article explained what happened well....The Woman of Tekoa: A Proper Use of Personal Talent • Torah.org
"When the woman from Tekoa appears before David, she recounts to him a fictitious story she has created about the murder of one of her sons by another son. She intends for the story to mirror David’s situation with Absalom and Amnon and hopes that, in hearing it, David will be able to evaluate his own comparable circumstances in a more objective way, and will ultimately ease his own misery by bringing home his exiled son."

 
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2 Samuel 12:8 and I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would have added unto thee such and such things.
..the struggle is at trying to be content at what God has given or allowed in life, and to be patient that He can provide. Temptation comes and it's so easy to forget that God can satisfy that which a person longs for. Lust doesn't give God chance to give us something better.


You know, upon reading the story of Amnon, Absalom, and Tamar this time around, I saw a slight parallel between their evil deeds and those of David's against Uriah and Bathsheba. David had asked forgiveness, of course, but if I recall correctly, the Lord still chastised him in saying that "the sword would never leave your house". It is a tragic but poetic justice, almost, in that first Amnon took someone who did not belong to him, Tamar (and on top of that, forcefully, while I imagine that at least Bathsheba was consenting), just as David did Bathsheba, and then Absalom killed Amnon in vengeance, harboring a grudge for two years. Two of David's sons lost to him (soon will follow Absalom as Amnon already had) by the sword. Just as David put the sword unjustly to a man he had already wronged once, Uriah.


Oh, and, for @Multifavs and @Swords&Sunflowers , since I do not think either of you had become a part of this community yet the first time I did this thread, here are my same thoughts on the story in 2 Samuel 13 from that time. I really haven't changed my opinion on that, so it still applies if you are interested in seeing it :):

And with that, I would like to make mention that the story of Amnon, Tamar, and Absalom always got my attention when reading through King David's time of reign. It is sad to see how Amnon - at least at first glance - seemed genuinely in love with his half-sister Tamar, but he listened to some really bad advice from his friend Jonadab to actually set up an attempt to seduce her by having her alone with him in his room while he feigned illness, instead of just, you know, telling her without pretext or selfish intent. But at the same time I hesitate to say that Amnon ever, before making that choice for evil, loved Tamar in any Godly or pure sense in the first place, as it is evident that his physical desire for her was too great and it tipped the scales so that he let himself be overcome by lust to the point of taking her virginity against her will, literally not being able to wait, what, just a few days or a week to have the King's blessing to marry Tamar when she herself said she would be willing if David did so? Amnon dishonors Tamar in two different ways here, the girl he claimed to Jonadab to love, and the evil unfortunately did not stop there. Absalom feigns forgiveness for his brother Amnon's horrific actions but all the while plans to kill him in vengeance, which he succeeds in, causing King David to lose one son to death and soon, as I believe we will see coming up in 2 Samuel, another son to treachery and madness.
 
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Day 135: June 12

Psalms 3
Psalms 4
Psalms 12
Psalms 13
Psalms 28
Psalms 55

David mentioned about sleep a lot, the stress he must've face as a King and as a family man, having numerous enemies, and responsibilities, i've always wondered how people back then coped. His trust in God comforted him most times, aw, it's really touching that he composed these psalms. There is definitely some healing aspects in the arts.
 
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You must admire David's compassion for some of his enemies despite his being a man of the sword. After all his son Absalom had done against him, including dishonoring all of David's concubines in a grotesque public spectacle as seen at the end of 2 Samuel 16, and in chapter 17 David still admonishes his commanders Joab and the others to "deal gently with Absalom". When it seems that Absalom had nothing but completely undue contempt and hatred for his father. Unfortunately, considering that in the past Joab has made it evident that he is just as violent a man as Absalom, perhaps David should have withheld Joab from ever going near Absalom's forces in battle, that he would take little issue with striking down Absalom despite the king's command to not harm him.
 
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Day 136: June 13

2 Samuel 16 through 18

I'm afraid that the history of David and his family only gets uglier from here. =/

Those chapters sparked so much questions inside my head...going back to who Ahitophel was, I've started to wonder why he would give such ill advice to Absalom...I looked around (googled lol), found this interesting article, although I'm not 100% sure their theory is correct, but it is interesting that there might be a possibility that Ahitophel was actually the grandfather of Bathsheba.
Excerpt from: Ahitophel - The Wise Man who Committed Suicide!

Why did Ahitophel commit suicide?

Ahitophel served David, from the begining of his reign in Hebron, and was close to him for years. Suddenly he turns on his King, and joins the conspiracy of Absalom, and then finding his advice not followed he hangs himself. Herein lies an interesting tale.


You see Ahitophel was the one person who was in the know when David committed adultery with Bathsheba. He was in the Palace, in the confidence of the King, and he was Bathsheba's Grandfather! Yes look up 2 Samuel 11:3. Bathsheba was the daughter of Eliam whose father was Ahitophel.


Here is the seed of betrayal that years later became the motivation to turn on David and join Absalom.


Bathsheba had been happily married to Uriah, whose name means, ‘Light of Jehovah", a proselyte to Judaism and also a commander in David's army. He had been passionately in love with Bathsheba, 2 Samuel 12:3, and never knew of his wife's seduction and dishonor. David had brazenly seduced Bathsheba and had Uriah killed in battle on purpose.


Grandfather Ahitophel carried that grudge for years, and David never knew it. In Psalm 41:9 David laments, "Yea mine own familiar friend in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me."


Interestingly, Jesus quoted this verse in speaking of Judas at the last supper, as the betrayer, who like Ahitophel turned against the one who entrusted him with responsibility.


When Ahitophel saw that his advice to Absalom to attack David immediately and kill him, was rejected, he knew that David would come out the victor and there was no future for him, so he went home, related the events to his family, and according to Josephus, he went into an inner room, hanged himself, and the family buried him.

And Joab (who was actually one of the sons of David's sister), was another interesting character...very sly...sadly he made a lot of vengeful decisions which ultimately ended his career and life. Strange, he knew something was fishy when David told him about placing Uriah in the front line of battle, and yet instead of doing what was right, he played it safe and obeyed David's orders. And Joab deceitfully exacted revenge on Abner (who killed Joab's younger brother earlier, Asahel), we also see in these chapters that he disobeyed David's orders to not kill Absalom. Read this article explaining the events in more detail (disclaimer: Idk what christian denomination the writer's were but they seem to explain the story well and clear)....https://rcg.org/youth/articles/0401-twoj.html
excerpt:
Finally, Abner said, “Turn back now, or else I’ll have to kill you!” Abner did not want to do this, because he knew that Joab would seek revenge for the death of his brother. Apparently, Joab had a reputation for taking matters into his own hands.

Yet when Asahel still refused to give up the chase, Abner concluded that he had to defend himself. So he plunged the back end of his spear into Asahel’s stomach—and Asahel fell dead.

Joab witnessed the death of his brother, and let out a cry of rage. Then he and Abishai pursued after Abner, but Abner managed to escape unharmed.

Abner, Joab and Asahel were professional soldiers. They knew and understood the deadly risks of their bloody profession. Abner had tried to keep himself from harming Asahel.

But when it came to the death of his brother, these facts meant nothing to Joab. He allowed his emotions to stew in bitterness and resentment, which simmered into murderous thoughts and attitudes. Joab wanted revenge.

Really sad course of events...when humanity chose to take matters into their own hands...

 
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Psalm 40:2 He brought me up also out of a horrible pit, out of the miry clay; And he set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings.

I know. That song immediately came to mind too when I read this part in Psalms last night. ^-^
 
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2 Samuel 20:9-13

... I'm starting to believe that Joab just really likes killing people ....

maybe his conscience finally got so seared because of his vengeful and power hungry spirit
 
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I don't know why; we're kind of all over the place here when it comes to reading the Psalms especially, but, I guess that's just how the guys at RC Sproul ministries figured that David and the sons of Korah, etc. wrote these Psalms chronologically. ^_^

EDIT: It's just that in my MEV Bible the Psalms for today's reading are not marked with an author. I assume they come from King David, however the last Psalm to be attributed to an author is Psalms 90 in this version, to Moses. I just want to bring it to attention that it seems logical that either Moses OR King David could have written these Psalms, at least Psalms 95 in particular. :)
 
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