Do you a lot of preachers "promise" false things?

johnEjohnE · Jun 14, 2018

seekingmuch said:
Do you think a lot of preachers "promise" false things?

My dad, who took us (family) to church when I was a kid, was a total hypocrite, adulterer and an emotionally abusive man. The churches he mostly took us to was churches "teach a twisted form of Christianity that teaches obedience, giving and faith as a way to get things from God." They also used that to dangle carrots for salvation. God has a (YUGE) plan for your life and similar things. I didn't know any better so bought into it when I was 6 or 7. And, since I had no foundation really, it did not last. These people are people like Joel Osteen (Mr. Psychology) and Joyce Meyer (Ms. Psychology) and others that preach "prosperity Gospel", "The Word of Faith" Movement, or the "Seed Faith" Movement. Of course, in the churches I was forced to go to, they also preached God was a God of judgement eager to go about judging and if you didn't "obey" he would surely judge you. Question our B.S.? You ain't a Christian!!!

Today, I think Osteen, Meyer and the rest of the bunch that flies around in private planes are basically full of excrement. They are the false prophets of today. There are also the power preachers (they sprinkle this power scripture or that power scripture to rile up the crowd) who I have never liked and were suspicious of. Power preachers are like Jimmy Swaggart, Rod Parsely and so forth. I'm just saying the power preachers preach the "God has a YUGE plan for your life" thing to get butts to stay in the seats. I've actually read other preachers that don't believe that way at all and criticize them for getting lots of false conversions (promising big things to get people to get saved). Some may be right, some may just be ignorant of what they are doing. Now, the seed preachers, I literally have no use for whatsoever.

Read this about Osteen and Meyer:
The False Promise Of The Prosperity Gospel: Why I Called Out Joel Osteen And Joyce Meyer | HuffPost

I became Catholic. But, after the priest sex abuse scandal and the Vatican being okay with churches going bankrupt rather than pay those kids they raped and making them whole, it has made me question it. I just don't think God would say, "Yeah, to avoid paying these kids you ruined, just go bankrupt." That just doesn't seem right. And, of course, there were rampant cover-ups for decades up to the pope before the current one doing it. Yeah, he did tell others to keep their trap shut. Ratzinger is his name. I knew there was something wrong with him, but couldn't put my finger on it. Yep, my gut was totally right on this guy.

Anyway, finally realizing all this the last few months has made me wonder what I was taught is utter B.S. and what wasn't.

What do you think?

Do preachers promise God can do lots of things he really doesn't do?

johnEjohnE · Jun 14, 2018

Hello,

I agree with you 100% that some use the Word of God to manipulate others and take advantage. The bible saids "You will know them by their fruit" (Mt 7:15-20) It also saids that we should try, test, and prove the spirit by the Spirit of God. (1John 4:1)

It also said that the Holy Spirit is given to us that we may know things that are true. (1Cor 2:10) You have a right to feel this way. God has given us discernment so that we won't be easily persuaded and mislead by these false prophets.

I often find it funny.. Jesus said that the "world" will hate you because you love me. (Jn 15:18-20) Isn't it weird that the world loves the these "powerful" preachers? lml. The first generation of the church we persecuted and killed... They suffered for the faith.... Now these people are embraced and popular in the world. In which Jesus said you are in the world but not of it (Jn 15:19)

The way you can automatically determine if someone is a false prophet or not is, are they preaching the gospel? Are they trying to lead you to salvation... to get saved.. born again. The death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.... That's it.

Jesus doesn't want to make you feel good... He wants to save you... He said, "for this purpose I came into the word that I may seek that which was lost." (Lk 19:10) Jesus only preached repentance ... The disciples after Him... Preach the same thing. Jesus gave the the commission to go and try to save the lost (Mk 16:15-16)

I'll stop right there. I appreciate that you brought this topic up... Be encouraged. Jesus once asked who would love me most? Those who I have done little for or those that I have done most?.... Because of you ups and downs God has done more for you... so you'll appreciate and love Him even more. Always remember... Where sin abound, grace abound much more... and God's grace is sufficient. Love covers a multitude of sins.. (Rom 5:20, 2Cor 12:9, 1Pt 4:8)

W2L · Jun 14, 2018

RaymondG said:
The righteous is never forsaken, nor do His seed beg for bread.

That doesnt mean that we will have an easy life.

seekingmuch · Jun 14, 2018

johnEjohnE said:
I'll stop right there. I appreciate that you brought this topic up... Be encouraged. Jesus once asked who would love me most? Those who I have done little for or those that I have done most?.... Because of you ups and downs God has done more for you... so you'll appreciate and love Him even more. Always remember... Where sin abound, grace abound much more... and God's grace is sufficient. Love covers a multitude of sins.. (Rom 5:20, 2Cor 12:9, 1Pt 4:8)

Honestly, if I knew God more as the loving parent than the ahole, it would've been easier. For me, it's like he rarely listens. I talk to him when I have no one else. I just don't have a good image of God or Jesus to relate to. The love, since I haven't really had from a male figure, goes over my head. If God was a chick, it would be way easier.

Doug Melven · Jun 14, 2018

Just because there are a bunch of fake preachers out there trying to take advantage of the Gospel, don't let that stop you from enjoying what God has for you.
Jeremiah 29:11 says God has plans for you to give you hope and a future.
Psalms 84:10 says to open your mouth wide and God will fill it.
Luke 6:38 says Give and it shall be given to you good measure, pressed down, shaking together and running over.

But you have a part to play in this.
You must seek Him according to Jeremiah 29:12-13.
You must open your mouth wide.
You must give to others.

W2L · Jun 14, 2018

Doug Melven said:
Just because there are a bunch of fake preachers out there trying to take advantage of the Gospel, don't let that stop you from enjoying what God has for you.
Jeremiah 29:11 says God has plans for you to give you hope and a future.
Psalms 84:10 says to open your mouth wide and God will fill it.
Luke 6:38 says Give and it shall be given to you good measure, pressed down, shaking together and running over.

But you have a part to play in this.
You must seek Him according to Jeremiah 29:12-13.
You must open your mouth wide.
You must give to others.

About the Luke scripture, see also Mathews record of the sermon on the mount, The Lord is talking about how we judge others, not about getting money.

W2L · Jun 14, 2018

2 Corinthians 11:27 I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked.

Was Paul forsaken? No. Did he beg for food? No, but he knew hunger none the less.

W2L · Jun 14, 2018

We grow into spiritual people through hardship, this doesn't mean God forsakes us however, no, it means that hardship works good for us.

RaymondG · Jun 14, 2018

W2L said:
That doesnt mean that we will have an easy life.

Easy is subjective.....we will not want for anything and we will have everything we need....

W2L · Jun 14, 2018

RaymondG said:
Easy is subjective.....we will not want for anything and we will have everything we need....

The scriptures clearly teach us that we enter the kingdom through tribulation.

RaymondG · Jun 15, 2018

W2L said:
The scriptures clearly teach us that we enter the kingdom through tribulation.

Tribulation is also subjective. So you are not able to push your idea of what should be experienced in tribulation on others. And even in tribulation, God is there, and everything is being worked out for good and for his purpose.....so the only tribulation really, is the one conjured in your own mind.

Who, by taking thought, can add one cubic to his stature?

W2L · Jun 15, 2018

RaymondG said:
Tribulation is also subjective. So you are not able to push your idea of what should be experienced in tribulation on others. And even in tribulation, God is there, and everything is being worked out for good and for his purpose.....so the only tribulation really, is the one conjured in your own mind.

Who, by taking thought, can add one cubic to his stature?

The scriptures teach us that we enter the kingdom via tribulation. Thats not subjective but if biblical. Do i need to post scriptures?

RaymondG · Jun 15, 2018

W2L said:
The scriptures teach us that we enter the kingdom via tribulation. Thats not subjective but if biblical. Do i need to post scriptures?

Scripture is true.....our interpretations...not so much. I didnt say that we may or may not experience tribulation.....Im saying that your idea of tribulation is not and cannot be everyone elses......so you can say what should happen or have the tribulation of others can/will/should look. You can be a millionaire and be going through the worse tribulation imaginable.....you can be broke, and have the easiest life imaginable.. Tribulation has little to do with what you see on the outside, or material wealth or possessions.

W2L · Jun 15, 2018

RaymondG said:
Tribulation has little to do with what you see on the outside, or material wealth or possessions.

How can you prove this biblically? It sounds like your answer is subjective.

W2L · Jun 15, 2018

As we know, Christians were put to the sword and were persecuted. And by this scripture below we know that Christians can also experience hunger just as well as persecution.

Romans 8: 35 Who will separate us from the love of [m]Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 Just as it is written,

“For Your sake we are being put to death all day long;
We were considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”

RaymondG · Jun 15, 2018

W2L said:
How can you prove this? It sounds like your answer is subjective.

Yes it is subjective. Because tribulation for me wont be the same for you. Your world is different from mine.... It is comprised of your own thoughts, emotions, beliefs etc.... If you believe a word is bad and negative and insulting to you....when you hear someone call you that word....you are completely offended and feel all sorts of negative emotions inside. While someone who dont know the word and never heard it before, when he is called it, will maybe smile and feel nothing inside.

Does this sound foreign to you as well? Can you still not see how the thoughts and beliefs of a person affect how "tried" a person feels by an outside influence?

W2L · Jun 15, 2018

RaymondG said:
Yes it is subjective. Because tribulation for me wont be the same for you. Your world is different from mine.... It is comprised of your own thoughts, emotions, beliefs etc.... If you believe a word is bad and negative and insulting to you....when you hear someone call you that word....you are completely offended and feel all sorts of negative emotions inside. While someone who dont know the word and never heard it before, when he is called it, will maybe smile and feel nothing inside.

Does this sound foreign to you as well? Can you still not see how the thoughts and beliefs of a person affect how "tried" a person feels by an outside influence?

Sure i can see that. Can you see how Christians can experience hunger?

RaymondG · Jun 15, 2018

W2L said:
Sure i can see that. Can you see how Christians can experience hunger?

Can you see how many people of all religions and of no religion can experience hunger? Therefore it is not necessarily an indicator of one on the path of truth?

W2L · Jun 15, 2018

RaymondG said:
Can you see how many people of all religions and of no religion can experience hunger? Therefore it is not necessarily an indicator of one on the path of truth?

Sure, and being well fed is not an indicator either.

RaymondG · Jun 15, 2018

W2L said:
Sure, and being well fed is not an indicator either.

Now we are closer to the same page. I cant judge your righteousness or your tribulation by your lack of, or abundance of, money, food etc...

guess we have no choice but to work out OUR OWN soul salvation....in fear and trembling.

Do you a lot of preachers "promise" false things?

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