LDS Race and the LDS Priesthood

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This isn't about ID tags.
Yes it is. Sheep, wolves and goats.

I sincerely hope to see you in Heaven, whatever you imagine Heaven to be. I hope the same for my relatives and friends who are LDS/Mormon/JW/Roman Catholic - even those who believe in pretty much nothing.

Unfortunately I do not believe that the gate is so wide to include all. I pray that I'm wrong.

I know that we aren't saved by having our doctrine all in a row. Nor are we lost by believing some things which are not true. I have more hope for the salvation of so called Christians involved in falsehood than most of my evangelical friends.

But, having said that, most evangelicals would count LDS/Mormons as lost until they change many of their beliefs and practices.

If you're really 109 years old (and why would you lie when you believe that obeying all of the commandments are necessary for your salvation?) - you should have obtained a bit of wisdom along the way. You should be able to know this after a brief consideration:

You are loving and worshiping a god of your own making and that of the making of a cult.

You have staked your eternity on the teachings of a cult of the first order.

I advise you to return to the teachings of the scriptures as delivered to us by God and abandon those of that cult.

Your eternal state may depend on your decision.

While you still draw breath I have hope for you. Perhaps the Lord brought you to this forum for a time such as this.
 
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You obviously did not read the whole post or you would not ask that.
I asked which scripture would cause me to leave the LDS Church, not what the Bible did not say. There are plenty of things that were said in the New Testament that were not said in the Old Testament. Does that prove the New Testament wrong? Some people may say so. However there are scriptures in the Bible which tell that there is more:
(New Testament | John 10:16)

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
(Old Testament | Isaiah 29:11 - 14)

11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
13 ¶ Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
(Old Testament | Ezekiel 37:15 - 20)

15 ¶ The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
18 ¶ And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
20 ¶ And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
(Old Testament | Jeremiah 1:5)

5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
 
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Yes it is. Sheep, wolves and goats.
Those are matters of the heart, not outward CF ID tags.

If you would like to know anything about mu beliefs or practices, you're welcome to ask.

As to my age: CF didn't have a "prefer not to disclose from privacy" option. Hence I put in an age so ridiculous that it's obviously not the real one. If you care, I'm in my 30's.
 
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I asked which scripture would cause me to leave the LDS Church, not what the Bible did not say. There are plenty of things that were said in the New Testament that were not said in the Old Testament. Does that prove the New Testament wrong? Some people may say so. However there are scriptures in the Bible which tell that there is more:
(New Testament | John 10:16)

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
(Old Testament | Isaiah 29:11 - 14)

11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
13 ¶ Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
(Old Testament | Ezekiel 37:15 - 20)

15 ¶ The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:
17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.
18 ¶ And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
20 ¶ And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
(Old Testament | Jeremiah 1:5)

5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.


I clearly said that Jesus Christ had the OT as His scriptures--that is what He read and believed and what He taught. The Dead Sea Scrolls prove that it is the very same scriptures. The inly thing they thought was missing was the book of Esther and then they found portions if it. This OT is the same as from just after the Babylonian exile. None of you ever address this---why is that?
 
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Those are matters of the heart, not outward CF ID tags.
"There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death."
Proverbs 14:12
If you would like to know anything about mu beliefs or practices, you're welcome to ask.
The "Mormon" tag on your posts tells me all I need to know concerning whether your doctrine is sound or not.

May the Lord have mercy on all those who misunderstand sound doctrine as do Mormons.

I wish you the best with your religion of choice.

If you'd like to enlighten us more concerning your "I'm LDS and not Mormon in spite of what I have said on my identity tag" mumbo jumbo --- we'd probably all like to know. I for one would read along with you if you want to tells us where you're coming from.

Of course I may have read your intent wrong when you said the following.
Marvin Knox said:
My advice to you and to any Mormon is to examine the simple gospel delivered early on in the Church age.
I did. Hence I'm LDS.
If you were merely informing us that you find Mormon teaching to be in line with the original scriptures - say so please. Although I don't see how that can be for an intelligent person.


But you can't blame people for not understanding you when you are being purposefully obtuse.

I won't continue much longer in this vague sort of give and take with you.

I would like you to enlighten us though about your beliefs, as I have said.

Anyone can say they love the Lord etc. as you have. Many will say to Him on that day, "Lord, Lord".

The question is whether or not you are in love with the Lord of the scriptures or some other rewritten Lord.
 
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I clearly said that Jesus Christ had the OT as His scriptures--that is what He read and believed and what He taught. The Dead Sea Scrolls prove that it is the very same scriptures. The inly thing they thought was missing was the book of Esther and then they found portions if it. This OT is the same as from just after the Babylonian exile. None of you ever address this---why is that?
I like the Old Testament, some of my favorite scriptures are in the Old Testament:
(Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 12:13 - 14)

13 ¶ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 6:5)

5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 6:17)

17 Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he hath commanded thee.
(Old Testament | Leviticus 19:18)

18 ¶ Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
(Old Testament | Isaiah 60:12 - 16)

12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.
13 The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious.
14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
15 Whereas thou hast been forsaken and hated, so that no man went through thee, I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many generations.
16 Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.
 
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I like the Old Testament, some of my favorite scriptures are in the Old Testament:
(Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 12:13 - 14)

13 ¶ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 6:5)

5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 6:17)

17 Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he hath commanded thee.
(Old Testament | Leviticus 19:18)

18 ¶ Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
(Old Testament | Isaiah 60:12 - 16)

12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.
13 The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious.
14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
15 Whereas thou hast been forsaken and hated, so that no man went through thee, I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many generations.
16 Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.


Isn't that nice. Now, do you mind not trying to dodge the whole subject and get to the core of what I asked about the OT--It is the same as the OT scriptures that Jesus had---nothing missing, proven with the Dead Sea Scrolls---why do you try sooooo hard to avoid the subject? It is what all disciples, apostles and all first Christians were converted by. Not one single thing about any of your pet theories.
 
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Mormons did not ordain black men until 1978 because in the 1800s people looked for any excuse?

THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE!

All mainstream Christian denominations had black pastors at that point.

How many of them were pastors over mostly-white or all-white congregations?

The church was going for 100% integration of the priesthood practically from day one.
 
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So I guess it was just a 100+ year accident that they ended up specifically excluding black people from the priesthood?

How the heck does an organization claiming to be the restoration of the church that Jesus Christ founded mess things up that badly? It's really amazing. It would be like if you got up in the morning intending to make breakfast and accidentally somehow ended up in outer space working on the International Space Station or something.
 
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Isn't that nice. Now, do you mind not trying to dodge the whole subject and get to the core of what I asked about the OT--It is the same as the OT scriptures that Jesus had---nothing missing, proven with the Dead Sea Scrolls---why do you try sooooo hard to avoid the subject? It is what all disciples, apostles and all first Christians were converted by. Not one single thing about any of your pet theories.
Even the Dead Sea Scrolls are copies. We don't have the originals. That being said the name Mahijah found in the book of Moses was confirmed in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
 
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Even the Dead Sea Scrolls are copies. We don't have the originals. That being said the name Mahijah found in the book of Moses was confirmed in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

If course they are copies---that is not the point,. The point, which you are avoiding, is, The Scrolls dated from before Christ---so Jesus had the very same scriptures as we have today. They are the same--nothing missing. Jesus had nothing to say that even vaguely suggests anything that Joseph Smith said. It is the same scriptures that were used by all first Christians to be converted to Christianity. They are the same scripture's that are being referred to in
2Ti_2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Ti_3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Nothing new is needed for our salvation according to this. Just the OT alone was enough for our salvation---JS, nor his writings, were ever needed.
 
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If course they are copies---that is not the point,. The point, which you are avoiding, is, The Scrolls dated from before Christ---so Jesus had the very same scriptures as we have today. They are the same--nothing missing. Jesus had nothing to say that even vaguely suggests anything that Joseph Smith said. It is the same scriptures that were used by all first Christians to be converted to Christianity. They are the same scripture's that are being referred to in
2Ti_2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Ti_3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Nothing new is needed for our salvation according to this. Just the OT alone was enough for our salvation---JS, nor his writings, were ever needed.
There were sacred works that needed to be restored:
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:28 - 29)

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
 
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There were sacred works that needed to be restored:
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:28 - 29)

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

It is such an obvious misunderstanding to read this as a Biblical affirmation of the Mormon practice of "baptisms for the dead" that I am almost shocked that anyone could have such a bizarre, surface-level reading of the scriptures as to read that into them. I would not normally even bother to respond (mainly because I don't want to get dinged for insulting the faith of another due to my own lack of being able to contain how I feel about this level of 'understanding', as I view it as not only very sad, but also an abuse of the scriptures themselves), but I do think it provides a good example of what can happen if people read the Bible as you apparently have, in a manner that divorces particular passages from their context in order to support by a bare reading some distinctive doctrine. And I don't mean by writing that that you should have to divine out of what it doesn't say something that it means to say. I do not think that the Bible writers or the Holy Spirit Who guided them were in any way unclear. So indeed, there are many things that are amenable to such a bare reading, the key being to look at the context of the passage in question to see if you are even getting that right, or if you need to look a little deeper beyond "This is the literal arrangement of the words in this English sentence".

Since the passage you have chosen talks about the resurrection of the dead, let's look starting at verse 12, which is where that theme starts to become explicit within the chapter:

12 Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. 14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. 15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up--if in fact the dead do not rise. 16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. 17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! 18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For "He has put all things under His feet." But when He says "all things are put under Him," it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all. 29 Otherwise, what will they do who are baptized for the dead, if the dead do not rise at all? Why then are they baptized for the dead? 30 And why do we stand in jeopardy every hour? 31 I affirm, by the boasting in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. 32 If, in the manner of men, I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantage is it to me? If the dead do not rise, "Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die!" 33 Do not be deceived: "Evil company corrupts good habits." 34 Awake to righteousness, and do not sin; for some do not have the knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.

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Looked at in context, the passage is a question to those who deny the resurrection of the dead, saying that if there is no resurrection from the dead, then of what use is baptism, as the baptized are in effect "baptized for the dead" -- baptized only to remain dead, not to new life in the resurrection, since that isn't a thing according to these people. In this view all baptisms are baptisms for the dead, since you're just going to die anyway and not be resurrected.

But you don't have to take my word for it. This is actually the key phrase in St. John Chrysostom's 40th homily on 1 Corinthians, because this practice of baptizing the already departed was apparently the activity of the Marcionite heretics, who justified it by more or less the same understanding you have shown here: "Well it says that in the scriptures!", showing that they didn't know how to understand the scripture, either.

St. John asks us to consider:

What then is that which he means? Or will you that I should first mention how they who are infected with the Marcionite heresy pervert this expression? And I know indeed that I shall excite much laughter; nevertheless, even on this account most of all I will mention it that you may the more completely avoid this disease: viz., when any Catechumen departs among them, having concealed the living man under the couch of the dead, they approach the corpse and talk with him, and ask him if he wishes to receive baptism; then when he makes no answer, he that is concealed underneath says in his stead that of course he should wish to be baptized; and so they baptize him instead of the departed, like men jesting upon the stage. So great power has the devil over the souls of careless sinners. Then being called to account, they allege this expression, saying that even the Apostle has said, "They who are baptized for the dead." Do you see their extreme ridiculousness? Is it meet then to answer these things? I trow not; unless it were necessary to discourse with madmen of what they in their frenzy utter. But that none of the more exceedingly simple folk may be led captive, one must needs submit to answer even these men. As thus, if this was Paul's meaning wherefore did God threaten him that is not baptized? For it is impossible that any should not be baptized henceforth, this being once devised: and besides, the fault no longer lies with the dead, but with the living. But to whom spoke he, "Unless you eat My flesh, and drink My blood, you have no life in yourselves?" (John 6:53) To the living, or to the dead, tell me? And again, "Unless a man be born again of water and of the Spirit, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:5) For if this be permitted, and there be no need of the mind of the receiver nor of his assent while he lives, what hinders both Greeks and Jews thus to become believers, other men after their decease doing these things in their stead?

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I will remind you here that St. John the Golden-Mouthed died in 407 AD, proving indisputably how the early Church itself did away with your heresies some 14 centuries before your false prophet who supposedly 'restored' them was even born. And should you wish, on account of the early date of this homily which shows by that fact that there was an early sect who practiced this activity (the Marcionites), to claim that that it is still a piece of evidence in favor of its supposedly apostolic or pre-'apostasy' provenance (and I suppose St. John's 'apostasy', according to the malformed Mormon reasoning), I will likewise remind you and anyone else who reads this that this same sect -- the Marcionites -- is named after a man (Marcion of Sinope) who was thrown out of the Church for his incredibly heretical and evil views in 140s AD.

So if Mormonism is really a 'restoration' of ancient anything, it is a restoration of heresy, ignorance of the meaning of the scriptures, and "extreme ridiculousness", to quote the saint. It is most definitely not a restoration of anything like the early Church.
 
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So I guess it was just a 100+ year accident that they ended up specifically excluding black people from the priesthood?

How the heck does an organization claiming to be the restoration of the church that Jesus Christ founded mess things up that badly? It's really amazing. It would be like if you got up in the morning intending to make breakfast and accidentally somehow ended up in outer space working on the International Space Station or something.

Which post were you replying to?
 
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It is possible to fall from grace through sin:
(New Testament | 2 Peter 2:17 - 22)

17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
That speaks to the soul not the Body of Christ.
 
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So I guess it was just a 100+ year accident that they ended up specifically excluding black people from the priesthood?

How the heck does an organization claiming to be the restoration of the church that Jesus Christ founded mess things up that badly? It's really amazing. It would be like if you got up in the morning intending to make breakfast and accidentally somehow ended up in outer space working on the International Space Station or something.

Alternatively, it was a case of "We tried it, people died, and now it's clear that the world's not ready for the level of integration we're aiming for. We'll try again when people are awake enough."
 
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Yeah, I don't buy it, just like last time that excuse was brought up. In Christianity, there have been black saints, black priests, black bishops, etc. since forever.

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Mural of HG Bishop Marianos (r. circa 1005-1036 AD) with the child Christ and the Theotokos, Faras Cathedral, Sudan

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St. Gebre Mesqel (Lalibela), 13th century king and subsequent Ethiopian Orthodox saint

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16th century painting of St. Maurice (3rd century AD) by Matthias Grunewald

And just to show that this is not just a historical artifact...


Abouna Joseph celebrates the Coptic Orthodox liturgy in South Sudan


The Coptic Orthodox liturgy prayed in isiZulu, English, and Coptic at the monastery of St. Mark the Apostle & St. Samuel the Confessor in Pretoria, South Africa

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I guess the Mormons weren't ready, or this or that people weren't ready or whatever, but there is no "getting ready" for the equality of all believers in Christianity -- Christianity has been the native religion of millions of black African people since the very beginning (remember, St. Mark came to Egypt in c. 50s AD, and was anyway originally from Libya, another African country), and anyone who feels that this should take some time to sink in needs to catch up on about 1900 years of history. "But...but...but...the people of the time!" goes the excuse (nevermind how far back in the past all the above artistic examples were relative to the establishment of the Mormon religion...were Mormons in the 19th century more racist than Germans of the 16th century? What an excellent reason for those Mormons to not conform to the surrounding racial attitudes, then!) Okay, so that was when...1830? Fine. 1770+ years of history, then. Either way, there's no excuse for such utter nonsense in an organization claiming to restore things to the way that they were first meant to be.
 
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There were sacred works that needed to be restored:
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 15:28 - 29)

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

You are not addressing what was said--the OT scriptures that Jesus studied, believed in and taught, are the same ones that we have today. Nothing missing---why do you dance around this? Wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that JS was never needed, would it?
 
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It is such an obvious misunderstanding to read this as a Biblical affirmation of the Mormon practice of "baptisms for the dead" that I am almost shocked that anyone could have such a bizarre, surface-level reading of the scriptures as to read that into them. I would not normally even bother to respond (mainly because I don't want to get dinged for insulting the faith of another due to my own lack of being able to contain how I feel about this level of 'understanding', as I view it as not only very sad, but also an abuse of the scriptures themselves), but I do think it provides a good example of what can happen if people read the Bible as you apparently have, in a manner that divorces particular passages from their context in order to support by a bare reading some distinctive doctrine. And I don't mean by writing that that you should have to divine out of what it doesn't say something that it means to say. I do not think that the Bible writers or the Holy Spirit Who guided them were in any way unclear. So indeed, there are many things that are amenable to such a bare reading, the key being to look at the context of the passage in question to see if you are even getting that right, or if you need to look a little deeper beyond "This is the literal arrangement of the words in this English sentence".

Since the passage you have chosen talks about the resurrection of the dead, let's look starting at verse 12, which is where that theme starts to become explicit within the chapter:

12 Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. 14 And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. 15 Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up--if in fact the dead do not rise. 16 For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. 17 And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! 18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.

20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For "He has put all things under His feet." But when He says "all things are put under Him," it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all. 29 Otherwise, what will they do who are baptized for the dead, if the dead do not rise at all? Why then are they baptized for the dead? 30 And why do we stand in jeopardy every hour? 31 I affirm, by the boasting in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. 32 If, in the manner of men, I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantage is it to me? If the dead do not rise, "Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die!" 33 Do not be deceived: "Evil company corrupts good habits." 34 Awake to righteousness, and do not sin; for some do not have the knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.

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Looked at in context, the passage is a question to those who deny the resurrection of the dead, saying that if there is no resurrection from the dead, then of what use is baptism, as the baptized are in effect "baptized for the dead" -- baptized only to remain dead, not to new life in the resurrection, since that isn't a thing according to these people. In this view all baptisms are baptisms for the dead, since you're just going to die anyway and not be resurrected.

But you don't have to take my word for it. This is actually the key phrase in St. John Chrysostom's 40th homily on 1 Corinthians, because this practice of baptizing the already departed was apparently the activity of the Marcionite heretics, who justified it by more or less the same understanding you have shown here: "Well it says that in the scriptures!", showing that they didn't know how to understand the scripture, either.

St. John asks us to consider:

What then is that which he means? Or will you that I should first mention how they who are infected with the Marcionite heresy pervert this expression? And I know indeed that I shall excite much laughter; nevertheless, even on this account most of all I will mention it that you may the more completely avoid this disease: viz., when any Catechumen departs among them, having concealed the living man under the couch of the dead, they approach the corpse and talk with him, and ask him if he wishes to receive baptism; then when he makes no answer, he that is concealed underneath says in his stead that of course he should wish to be baptized; and so they baptize him instead of the departed, like men jesting upon the stage. So great power has the devil over the souls of careless sinners. Then being called to account, they allege this expression, saying that even the Apostle has said, "They who are baptized for the dead." Do you see their extreme ridiculousness? Is it meet then to answer these things? I trow not; unless it were necessary to discourse with madmen of what they in their frenzy utter. But that none of the more exceedingly simple folk may be led captive, one must needs submit to answer even these men. As thus, if this was Paul's meaning wherefore did God threaten him that is not baptized? For it is impossible that any should not be baptized henceforth, this being once devised: and besides, the fault no longer lies with the dead, but with the living. But to whom spoke he, "Unless you eat My flesh, and drink My blood, you have no life in yourselves?" (John 6:53) To the living, or to the dead, tell me? And again, "Unless a man be born again of water and of the Spirit, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:5) For if this be permitted, and there be no need of the mind of the receiver nor of his assent while he lives, what hinders both Greeks and Jews thus to become believers, other men after their decease doing these things in their stead?

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I will remind you here that St. John the Golden-Mouthed died in 407 AD, proving indisputably how the early Church itself did away with your heresies some 14 centuries before your false prophet who supposedly 'restored' them was even born. And should you wish, on account of the early date of this homily which shows by that fact that there was an early sect who practiced this activity (the Marcionites), to claim that that it is still a piece of evidence in favor of its supposedly apostolic or pre-'apostasy' provenance (and I suppose St. John's 'apostasy', according to the malformed Mormon reasoning), I will likewise remind you and anyone else who reads this that this same sect -- the Marcionites -- is named after a man (Marcion of Sinope) who was thrown out of the Church for his incredibly heretical and evil views in 140s AD.

So if Mormonism is really a 'restoration' of ancient anything, it is a restoration of heresy, ignorance of the meaning of the scriptures, and "extreme ridiculousness", to quote the saint. It is most definitely not a restoration of anything like the early Church.
God is a just God and makes it possible for all of His children to be baptized by proxy. Just as Christ's proxy atonement for our sins makes it possible for us to return to God. This sacred ordinance was performed anciently in the house of the Lord in the molten sea. God would not be fair if He did not allow every person to be baptized, even those who didn't have that opportunity while they were alive.
 
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