Should we revise the King James Bible to get rid of the word "gay"?

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Do your own research. They are called the manuscripts. There are many of them but they are the foundations of ALL translations.


Ah.....That "phantom" bible of yours. sort of like Webster's Unabridged Dictionary, right? All the words of this mystical "bible" you profess to believe in but can't show us, are "in there somewhere" all mixed up and out of order along with thousands of words that aren't part of this "bible", but, Hey, there in there somewhere, right? Got it.

Thanks so much for giving such a clear and insightful answer regarding what this "bible" of yours is. Seems like a lot of people today are into "reading and believing" this same imaginary book you are.
 
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Ah.....That "phantom" bible of yours.

Kind of strange that you don't believe there are manuscripts that all translations originate from. Did you know the bible was originally written in Hebrew and Greek and some Aramaic? Might sound strange but it's true. Try Googling it.
 
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Kind of strange that you don't believe there are manuscripts that all translations originate from. Did you know the bible was originally written in Hebrew and Greek and some Aramaic? Might sound strange but it's true. Try Googling it.


Well, ewq. Since you must have done what you recommend I do with this Google search for all those Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic manuscripts, which you probably have never seen and never read, why don't you give us all the results of your deep research?

Can you show us a copy of this complete and inerrant Bible that you apparently want us to think you actually believe in? Yes or No?

Or are you still working on trying to piece one together, like so many others are doing, but haven't yet managed to complete?

Oh, wait.....You're still talking about that "Phantom bible", aren't you. You know....that mystical, hypothetical, ethereal, ever elusive "originals only" thingy we keep hearing you guys tell us about, that you couldn't read if you had it, and that you know does not exist.


And you think we King James Bible only believers are nuts???
 
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Should we “revise” the King James Bible to get rid of the word “gay”?
James 2:3 “And ye have respect to him that weareth the GAY clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool.”
Nope. To create a whole new revision over 1 or a few words would be ludicrous, imho. A multitude of words perhaps.
I believe it should be the message that counts (compare to Luke 14:7-11 between one that is richly dressed and poorly dressed, and Luke 16:19,20)

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

The self-righteous Pharisees and scribes, acknowledged by Yeshua as the legitimate religious teachers of the Jews (Matt. 23:1-3), should have been the ones telling these people of God's love for them.
The Pharisees, who were "lovers of money" (Luke 16:14), realized that the Messiah was alluding to them with this parable and took offense. They scoffed at Yeshua. The final part of his response to the derision of the Pharisees and scribes was the parable of Lazarus and the rich man.

Luke 16:
19 Now there was a rich man dressed in purple and fine linen, making merry according to a day, splendidly/lamprwV<2988> [Revelation 3:17]
20 And a beggar named Lazarus lay at his gate, covered with sore
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21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. [Romans 11:9]
Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores
."

The Jews/Judah were truly rich, feasting on God's spiritual blessings. Yet these very gifts caused them to stumble because they prompted them to self-righteousness. They gloried in the gifts, without glorifying the Eternal God who gave them. Instead of being a "royal priesthood" that was a blessing to all nations, they instead loathed and despised the surrounding peoples.
Certainly, as Paul wrote, "their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a retribution for them" (Rom. 11:9)........

Rev 3:17
“Because thou say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing'—
and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked—

In contrast to the rich man, we now see Lazarus. The first thing to note is that he is depicted as a beggar. This is an apt description of the Gentiles who "laid at the gate" of Judah. Paul describes the predicament of the Gentiles before they accepted the Messiah in his letter to the Ephesians:.................


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What wrong with looking up the word in the Hebrew or Greek using a concordance such as Strong's and by using Lexicons such as Thayer's to see examples of how the word was used in other writings from the same time periods. Usually this is more available for the Greek. There is also the Targum of Jonathan.
I tend to agree.

James 2:3
and ye should be looking upon him bearing the splendid/lampran<2986> raiment, and ye may be saying to him, 'Thou -- sit thou here well,' and to the poor man may say, 'Thou -- stand thou there, or, Sit thou here under my footstool,' --
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3 kai epibleyhte epi ton forounta thn esqhta thn lampran kai eiphte autw su kaqou wde kalwV kai tw ptwcw eiphte su sthqi ekei h kaqou wde upo to upopodion mou

3 ἐπιβλέψητε δὲ ⸃ ἐπὶ τὸν φοροῦντα τὴν ἐσθῆτα τὴν λαμπρὰν καὶ εἴπητε · Σὺ κάθου ὧδε καλῶς, καὶ τῷ πτωχῷ εἴπητε · Σὺ στῆθι ἢ κάθου ἐκεῖ ⸃ ὑπὸ τὸ ὑποπόδιόν μου,

2986. lampros lam-pros' from the same as 2985; radiant; by analogy, limpid; figuratively, magnificent or sumptuous (in appearance):--bright, clear, gay, goodly, gorgeous, white.
2989. lampo lam'-po a primary verb; to beam, i.e. radiate brilliancy (literally or figuratively):--give light, shine.

Gay - Wikipedia

The word gay arrived in English during the 12th century from Old French gai, most likely deriving ultimately from a Germanic source.[2]
In English, the word's primary meaning was "joyful", "carefree", "bright and showy", and the word was very commonly used with this meaning in speech and literature. For example, the optimistic 1890s are still often referred to as the Gay Nineties. The title of the 1938 French ballet Gaîté Parisienne ("Parisian Gaiety"), which became the 1941 Warner Brothers movie, The Gay Parisian,[9] also illustrates this connotation. It was apparently not until the 20th century that the word began to be used to mean specifically "homosexual", although it had earlier acquired sexual connotations.[2]

The derived abstract noun gaiety remains largely free of sexual connotations and has, in the past, been used in the names of places of entertainment; for example W.B. Yeats heard Oscar Wilde lecture at the Gaiety Theatre in Dublin.
 
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Should we “revise” the King James Bible to get rid of the word “gay”?



James 2:3 “And ye have respect to him that weareth the GAY clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool.”



Bible agnostics (they don’t know for sure what or where God’s infallible words can be found) and unbelievers in the Inerrancy of Scripture are a funny and fickle bunch. Not one of them can show you a copy of God’s complete, inspired and 100% true words in ANY language, but they are all united in one thing. And that is that the King James Bible is “full of errors” and, at the very least, “needs to be updated”.



From time to time I run into guys who complain about “the old fashioned language” or the “archaic terms” we find in God’s Book and tell us how “out of date” or “misleading” certain terms or words are in that old Book.



I will readily admit that there are a few “archaic” words found in the King James Bible such as “let, conversation, leasing and prevent”, but this does not make the King James Bible inaccurate or uninspired. All a person needs to do is consult a good dictionary and learn a little more about the richness and variety of meanings found in our own English language.



See The “archaic” language of the King James Bible -



"Archaic" KJB






And “Why all those “Thee”s and “Ye”s are far more accurate -



http://brandplucked.webs.com/theeandye.htm



I also find in highly ironic that these same people who so often criticize our King James Bible will then turn around and tell us that we need to consult or learn “the” Biblical Hebrew and Greek to find out what God REALLY said. It never seems to dawn on them that there is no such animal as “the” Hebrew and much less “the” Greek that they are referring to.





There are literally thousands of variants in “the” Greek texts and the scholars are constantly changing their minds and differ among themselves as to which Greek readings may or may not be the true words of God.



As for “the” Hebrew, most modern versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB, NET, Holman etc. OFTEN reject the clear Hebrew readings and not even in the same places.



Here are some examples:



NIV, NASB reject Hebrew



Just look at the footnotes in such modern versions as the ESV or NIV and you will see such notes as “Some Hebrew manuscripts read....”, “2 Hebrew mss. read....”, “Most Hebrew mss. read....” and very often “The meaning of the Hebrew is uncertain.”



It should also be pointed out that “the” Biblical Hebrew and Greek are BOTH themselves “archaic languages” that are not spoken today in modern Israel or Greece. Modern Hebrew and Greek are quite different from the Hebrew and Greek texts that make up our Bible, but modern day Jews and Greeks can and do understand them, even though they don’t speak that way. This is God’s pattern for His pure words.



Is it really that difficult to learn the different meanings of a few English words? Every student in school has to learn more vocabulary as they study different subjects or learn a new sport or hobby. If you are really interested in something, then you simply learn the meaning of the terms. So it is with God’s Book.



Anyway, the subject of this article is to look at the word “gay” as found in James 2:3 and try to use some common sense. We should not let the world’s use of slang or their highjacking certain words and applying new meanings to them be used as an excuse to toss out the old Book and “revise” God’s masterpiece - the King James Holy Bible.



The world often uses the words “hell”, “damn”, “God” or “Jesus Christ” as swear words. Or kids today will say “Wicked!” or “That’s bad.” when they really mean “It’s good.” Are we also supposed to remove these words from the Bible because the world uses them in a different way than God’s word does? I don’t think so. Try using a little common sense.



The English speaking world today often uses the word “gay” to refer to homosexuals. We all know this. But it should also be obvious that the word “gay” has had and continues to have other meanings such as bright, happy, brilliant in color or merry.



A simple look at Merriam Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary 11th edition shows us the definitions and uses of the English word “gay”.



Definition of GAY


1a : happily excited : merry <in a gay mood>



b : keenly alive and exuberant : having or inducing high spirits <a bird's gay spring song>



2a : bright, lively <gay sunny meadows>



b : brilliant in color



3 given to social pleasures; also : licentious



4 a : homosexual <gay men>



b : of, relating to, or used by homosexuals <the gay rights movement> <a gay bar>



Examples of GAY


1.The band was playing a gay tune.

2.the gayest of the spring flowers



We also have the well know Christmas carol “Deck the Halls” which in part says: “Don we now our gay apparel", which simply means that we now put on our brightly colored clothing.



Not only does the King James Bible - the only English Bible believed by thousands of redeemed children of God today to be the complete, inspired and 100% true words of God - say “gay clothing” but so also do the following Bible translations: Tyndale 1525 - “ye have a respecte to him that weareth the GAYE clothynge”, Coverdale 1535, the Great Bible 1540, Matthew’s Bible 1549, the Bishops’ Bible 1568, the Geneva Bible 1587 - “him that weareth the GAIE clothing”, The Beza N.T. 1599, Whiston's N.T. 1745, The Revised Translation 1815, Webster’s Translation 1833, The Pickering N.T. 1840, Young’s literal 1898 - “him bearing the GAY raiment”, Rotherham’s Emphasized bible of 1902, The Word of Yah 1993, God's First Truth 1999, the Tomson New Testament 2002, The Evidence Bible 2003, The Revised Geneva Bible 2005 and the Bond Slave Version 2009 - "the GAY clothing".



We live in a day when every man thinks he’s an expert and sets up his own mind and understanding as his “Final Authority” (subject to change at any moment) and in fact does NOT believe that any Bible in any language is or ever was the complete, inspired and 100% true words of God.



History has a habit of repeating itself. “In those days there was no king in Israel: EVERY MAN DID THAT WHICH WAS RIGHT IN HIS OWN EYES.” Judges 21:25.
Definitely no
Words have been highjacked far too much and to start changing the meanings words in the Bible are simply wrong.
One of the worst changes in the common language these days is " wicked" to call this good or something to be praiseworthy is to me an abomination.
How Satan must delight in this sort of thing.

And how often does man try to bring God down to his level rather than raising himself up understand the wonderful Word of God.

Most so called " archaic" words can be understood when reading in context to the verse and if not as previously mentioned we have dictionaries to consult and also good ole Google to find the word meanings.

"For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of the man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth,and the flower fadeth thereof falleth away:
BUT THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURETH FOREVER. 1Peter 1:24-25a. Amen.
 
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