My Ark Challenge

DogmaHunter said:

Any "miracle" will do.

"miracle": the suspension / violation of natural law.

That's what magic is. Not David Copperfield magic. But actual Harry Potter style magic.
To have that which is physically impossible, happen anyway.

To suspend / violate the laws of nature.

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The Ark Hive Mind said:

1 Ki. 22:19-24, 2 Chr. 18:18-23 is similar to Job 1:6-12, 2:1-7 in which satan the 'lying spirit (angel)' had access (once again) to the gates of Heaven (as Adam had given dominion ('stewardship', not ownership) of this world over to him, Gen. 3) as the representative head of this world (2 Cor. 4:4), until Calvary (Rom. 5:6, Rev. 12:10).

Satan told God what he would do, as he is a liar (Jhn. 8:44, Gen 3:1) when God had asked in the counsel of Heaven (where the other representative heads of the unfallen worlds were and the angels of Heaven are, see Luk. 15:7, etc). God knowing all things, told satan that he would indeed accomplish what he stated through his lie.

God allowed it (for satan has limited authority, see Luk. 22:31), thus the scriptures attribute that decision to God. This deals with the will of God, in the matter of the great controversy going on since Lucifer's accusations against God in Heaven (between truth and lies). God withdraws protection for those who refuse His protection through disobedience, and leaves those who want darkness, in darkness (God gives them up, Rom. 1:24-26). God is love (1 Jhn 4:8,16) and is the God of truth (Deut. 32:4).

You really ought to change, or have the mods change your "Christian seeker" tag. It is misrepresenting your position, and makes things unclear for others.

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The Ark Hive Mind said:

I could quote a few science (livescience, etc, nonYEC) articles, but I am more interested in your position on how any living thing arrived on 'Australia' (since some nonYEC 'science' say that marsupials came from South America).

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If you wanted a YEC position, I could give another vid by John Mackay.

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Yes, angels have wings:

Isa_6:2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.

Eze_1:11 Thus were their faces: and their wings were stretched upward; two wings of every one were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies.

Eze_1:23 And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies.​

Many of God's creatures have wings.

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No, no need to fly (though that is not ruled out, in several ways). Walking and ship (taken by man, who was able to cross the new landscape of the earth even shortly after the flood, just as today, with such animals in zoos, and 'exotic' animal introduction to certain islands, etc) will do just fine, as the creatures would spread out from where they landed (the only ones that died right away were the clean ones that Noah sacrificed), and would have a longer lifespan unlike those of today. A rough comparison could be made between the ages of men before and after the flood, and a similar extrapolated listing for the animals based upon todays longevities.

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The Ark Hive Mind said:

Let me know what you think of the material in the video on the connection made between India and Australian aboriginal peoples therein, and the dingo's. It is the only two portions I would like your return on.

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The Ark Hive Mind said:

Can you give a specific example of one "miracle" that you are speaking about?

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Why would a suspension of a law, be a violation of a law?

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Is turning on the light switch activating a law, and is turning off a light switch then violating a law that was active?

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When you say "natural law" can you define this please?

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Colter said:

When the Hebrews were redoing the history of the Israelites they knew nothing of science, evolution or a huge round planet with lots of other cultures and living things. Their creation flood story was for the average, simple minded Israelite.

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AV1611VET said:

I agree.

Colter is a Urantian.

Some seek Christianity though … not to join it … but to attack it.

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inquiring mind said:

Yet, every one of these subjects has “men of reason” defending their ideas, even till today. Why would someone feel the need to make up such an imaginative story in the first place, if it was not true and they were just trying to sway the simple-minded as you suggest? Why not just say God struck everything dead except Noah and company... now that’s simple. Why do you think there was so much “spotlight” put on stories in the OT for such a “simple-minded” people?

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AV1611VET said:

What if they didn't?

Do you suppose God could feed them from a simple feeding trough, in the same way He fed the widow of Zarephath from her cruise … er … I mean … cruse?

1 Kings 17:16 And the barrel of meal wasted not, neither did the cruse of oil fail, according to the word of the LORD, which he spake by Elijah.

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Hibernation (multiday torpor) and daily torpor in heterothermic mammals and birds are characterized by pronounced temporal reductions in body temperature, energy expenditure, water loss, and other physiological functions and are the most effective means for energy conservation available to endotherms. Hibernators express multiday torpor predominately throughout winter, which substantially enhances winter survival. In contrast, daily heterotherms use daily torpor lasting for several hours during the rest phase. Although torpor is still widely considered to be a specific adaptation of cold-climate species, as we will see in this primer, it is used by many diverse species from all climate zones, including the tropics. While energy conservation during adverse conditions is an important function of torpor, it is also employed to permit energy-demanding processes such as reproduction and growth, especially when food supply is limited. Even migrating birds enter torpor to conserve energy for the next stage of migration.

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Colter said:

Simple, the flood myth is in the genealogical portion of the Hebrews history/scripture. There is no secular history of the Hebrews because they destroyed all of it even though those books are still mentioned in their scripture.

In trying to trace their bloodlines back to the Adam of Mesopotamian lore, they found great difficulty in piecing the story together, so they decided to drown the whole world in its own wickedness to fill the gap. Bloodlines and assumed “authority” was key to the Zionist political, religious, nationalist propaganda document known as the Old Testament.

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AV1611VET said:

6. Where is the Ark today?

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Sanoy said:

Kentucky.

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inquiring mind said:

If there was no actual flood, shouldn’t there be some actual verifiable secular history to the contrary around then? And still, why all the imagination and spotlight for simple-minded people?

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AV1611VET said:

Either that, or I wouldn't have.

Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luke 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.


And you a great anti-Semite.

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Colter said:

There was actual history of the Israelites, when they rewrote the scripture in Babylon they destroyed such books as The Chronicles of the Kings of Israel and Chronicles of the Kings of Judah and many others.

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