I Don't Listen To Christian Music Anymore

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No, they are not. When a man and woman marry, "thank you" is not a part of the marriage vow. If it were, it would be rather low as compared to the weightly promises being made.

interesting, as I tell husband thank you, all the time

also, tell child thank you when she helps out
believes this helps them feel appreciated by me

both husband and child do things with rarely being asked
they just help out or ask if I need help

and believe God would like appreciated by his creatures?
 
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interesting, as I tell husband thank you, all the time
Instead of "I love you?" I tell the grocery clerk "thank you" as well as the bus driver. In fact, I say it quite a lot. Do you see what I mean?
also, tell child thank you when she helps out
believes this helps them feel appreciated by me
same as the stranger who helps you....Not saying it is not good or nice. But it is low on the scale of words and something we offer to total strangers whom we would never say, "I love you" to and mean it.
both husband and child do things with rarely being asked
they just help out or ask if I need help

and believe God would like appreciated by his creatures?
If that is all one can do, thenk him, it is pretty low. If your husband or children never said anything about you except to thank you for your work, would you feel more or less loved? If your children never said they liked who you were, were proud of you, were impressed by your wisdom, but merely thanked you for washing the clothes and making the meals, are you more loved t han the woman whose children and husband praise them for who they are, not merely what benefit they personally get out of them?
 
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Instead of "I love you?"
If that is all one can do, thenk him, it is pretty low. If your husband or children never said anything about you except to thank you for your work, would you feel more or less loved?

no, of course we say "I love you"

some of the time they don't "see" the things I do cause many things that I do happens when everyone is sleeping

don't expect a thank you EVERY time I cook but it certainly is nice to hear once in a while

I love you (for who you are) is NOT the same as thank you for what one does
 
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no, of course we say "I love you"

some of the time they don't "see" the things I do cause many things that I do happens when everyone is sleeping

don't expect a thank you EVERY time I cook but it certainly is nice to hear once in a while

I love you (for who you are) is NOT the same as thank you for what one does
I agree. But I love you for who you are is a lot more than thank you for what you do for me. Many people's praise to God is only for what He does/did for them. Do you see what I mean?
 
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We had one of the awesomest service that day. In our church there's normally an opportunity for people to give testimonies and on the particular day everyone who stood up went on to teach us and minister to many of our needs even before the service was half done. I believe it was a direct influence of Christ's presence because in the past we had been struggling with people giving unedifying testimonies/messages.

Pls stop trying so hard to invalidate what we do there's not a one style fits all. We'll know what is perfect when get to heaven. In the meantime we'll rise up and give of what we know to God and when we know better scale it up till Christ returns or we go home.

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OK, well I tried. I have heard of some who saw demons walking into Christian services where others were worshipping the feeling they are working themselves into repeating "mantras" until their subconscious was in the "right state." Thought you might consider something besides focusing on what He does for you. Praying about the worship team at our church singing something for God instead of always what God did for them or how they feel or making promises they don't intend to keep (I'll live my life for you when they don't even live Sunday for Him)

Did Christ do anything or tell anyone anything that was indicative of God? I do not believe Christ just shows up and walks through the aisle like a pop start enjoying the admiration. Everytime He shows up next to me, I learn something rather deep, powerful or insightful. And sometimes I was not even trying at all but thinking of something else.
 
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We had one of the awesomest service that day. In our church there's normally an opportunity for people to give testimonies and on the particular day everyone who stood up went on to teach us and minister to many of our needs even before the service was half done. I believe it was a direct influence of Christ's presence because in the past we had been struggling with people giving unedifying testimonies/messages.

Pls stop trying so hard to invalidate what we do there's not a one style fits all. We'll know what is perfect when get to heaven. In the meantime we'll rise up and give of what we know to God and when we know better scale it up till Christ returns or we go home.

Shalom
Actually all I did was ask if you would praise God for something besides what He did for you. I did not invalidate what you are doing. No one is asking you to be perfect, which is an invalid attack and rather aggressive, not a characteristic of someone who senses Jesus when there. I asked if you want to focus on something besides what you get from God.

If you check the worship services in the Bible, none of them praise God for what He did for the individuals singing as individuals. (No, "you saved ME" as part of a community worship time.) I am not sure that any of them mention how he meets their needs either but its been a while since I read it. (Personal and individual Psalms written by David are different, of course.)

That is really all I said. If you don't want to go beyond needs being met or thanking Him for what he does for you but decide that asking you to consider growing is demanding "perfection" and you'd prefer to wait until it is too late to grow in Christ from your own desire out of love for Him, then that is where you will stay. The chance to show our love for Christ is here as it is an effort of faith and love. In Heaven there will no longer be the chance to do so out of faith as we will know. Faith will not be necessary any more.
 
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That in no way "speaks volumes" or any "volume" about my walk with the Lord.
I just find today's CCM is too dreamy and too emotional, and Christian men
who sing about "touching the Lord's face" or "embracing His tenderness" if not,
"....looking lovingly into the eye's of Jesus...." is just too much. My wife is not
impressed either.

Traditional church music doesn't set well with me anymore. This is why we
arrive late at church to avoid the song service. And you know what? The
messages from our Pastor are great. Too bad the song service bores me.

Too emotional songs! I know right! Sometimes I find myself crying and being all sorrowful and then the song end and it's like nothing happened...I'm starting to think, some songs are not from God...especially the ones with lots of ''I'': "I am great, I choose you, I will conquer, I, I, I..." so now I pay really close attention to what I listen to.
I found myself enjoying the traditional songs though. Tried to find some Psalms song but they are hard to sing sometimes..
 
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Too emotional songs! I know right! Sometimes I find myself crying and being all sorrowful and then the song end and it's like nothing happened...I'm starting to think, some songs are not from God...especially the ones with lots of ''I'': "I am great, I choose you, I will conquer, I, I, I..." so now I pay really close attention to what I listen to.
I found myself enjoying the traditional songs though. Tried to find some Psalms song but they are hard to sing sometimes..
It seems that the modern "worship" songs are meant to stir the heart with no disturbing of the mind or will. You are brought to a place by the music and repetition of words (mantra) where the emotions are in full force but the real heart is actually left fully in tact. The words will sometimes force you to make wild promises you will in no way keep but generate tears to say them. It is all foam and no beer.
 
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It seems that the modern "worship" songs are meant to stir the heart with no disturbing of the mind or will.

maybe am different but I like the new songs

did like the church songs grew up with when young


kid and I have many new songs memorized as we listen to Christian radio in the car daily
so maybe it's the familiarity am responding to
 
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maybe am different but I like the new songs

did like the church songs grew up with when young


kid and I have many new songs memorized as we listen to Christian radio in the car daily
so maybe it's the familiarity am responding to
The teaching of the new songs is

1. narcissistic
2. bad or very wrong theology at times

If one lived many of the songs, the ones that could be done, one would become extremely self centered telling oneself Gods main goal is to make one feel good.
 
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If one lived many of the songs, the ones that could be done, one would become extremely self centered telling oneself Gods main goal is to make one feel good.

considering there are so many depressed, lonely, and suicidal people in today's world

Is it so wrong to give hope to people and let them know that God loves them which many of the new songs do?
 
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considering there are so many depressed, lonely, and suicidal people in today's world

Is it so wrong to give hope to people and let them know that God loves them which many of the new songs do?
For the world and also believers at times? Definitely good. The problem is that’s all the music the church uses now. Me me me poor me love me and thanking God for what He does for them. They are not encouraged to think about someone besides their own feelings. Way too narcissistic.

Jesus loves others too and we are supposed to go and do likewise.
 
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"Dorothy Mae said "Me me me poor me love me and thanking God for what He does for them. They are not encouraged to think about someone besides their own feelings. Way too narcissistic."

^ perhaps but know at least where we are, lot of problems
poorness, for example
high % of kids in our school receiving aid for lunch

drugs and suicide in surrounding communities (teens)

new music may get teens and young people into the church/ stay in the church
 
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"Dorothy Mae said "Me me me poor me love me and thanking God for what He does for them. They are not encouraged to think about someone besides their own feelings. Way too narcissistic."

^ perhaps but know at least where we are, lot of problems
poorness, for example
high % of kids in our school receiving aid for lunch

drugs and suicide in surrounding communities (teens)

new music may get teens and young people into the church/ stay in the church
Is it working? Does it produce Christians or church/concert goers?
 
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The teaching of the new songs is

1. narcissistic
2. bad or very wrong theology at times

If one lived many of the songs, the ones that could be done, one would become extremely self centered telling oneself Gods main goal is to make one feel good.
Not all music is to everyone's taste. If you don't like it, you don't have to listen to it. But is it up to you to judge others who do choose to listen to it? Everyone is free to an opinion, sure but be careful not to judge too harshly.
 
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Not all music is to everyone's taste. If you don't like it, you don't have to listen to it. But is it up to you to judge others who do choose to listen to it? Everyone is free to an opinion, sure but be careful not to judge too harshly.
The holy spirit within me recoils at the love of self in christian music today. I do not judge my brethren. But I would be untrue to Hiim if I did not point out what deeply displeases God. It is not a matter of taste really, unless one thinks that how God feels about our singing a matter of taste. In that case, His taste carrys more weight that my taste.

I can provide an easy to understand example. If your children only thanked you for what you do for them or what you gave them, how would that feel? Is it a matter of taste which parent likes to be praised for what they buy or did for their kid? If that is all your children can say of you is what they got from you, is that a matter of taste? That is how it is for God. Think about it.

Of course, one can go along and dismiss it all and continuing singing of what they got from God and how great it is, I suppose. But there seems to be others out there who wonder if that is all there is. No, my brethren, that is not all there is and those songs are the dregs as compared to songs that are so maginifying God that the Holy Spirit joins in. I have heard him. But he will not inhabit songs where we sing about what we get from God for how God makes us feel. If one does not want to please God but merely the self, then those are the songs that will do it.
 
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I can provide an easy to understand example. If your children only thanked you for what you do for them or what you gave them, how would that feel?

^ Feel pretty good when child thanks me,especially since I take being a mom as a very important job, more important than any paying job that have ever held.

When picking husband up at airport last night before we drove off, I said we all need to thank God that he arrived home safely from overseas. Do believe thanking God is important.

When child is with me in car, we do listen to the local Christian radio station. They not only play Christian music but give edifying info/stories plus it's a safe station for child to hear. We like to sing along to the songs.

It doesn't feel like we are doing anything wrong or that God is not pleased that we thank him.
 
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