are women responsible for men's sin?

Sammy-San said:

Isn't that phrase itself offensive to the people though?

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I don't think so. To me and those I know, boobs is the word used to discuss breasts without being indelicate or too clinical. Certainly, there are also words used by many in the US, which I do find vulgar. For example, one such word meaning buttocks in the US, is used in other parts of the word as a degrading term for part of the female anatomy. I don't use the word for this reason, but those raised in the US have no such inhibition - same word, but different meaning in a different place - its simply a cultural thing.

Sammy-San said:

how is the word breast clinical?
efficient and unemotional; coldly detached.

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I don't know. It just is. Its cultural, don't blame me!

Sammy-San said:

I think words have inherent nuance.

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Agreed. Hence my preference for boobs rather than breasts.

Doctor.Sphinx said:

Agreed. Hence my preference for boobs rather than breasts.

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I tend to think of chicken breasts when hear the word so often boobs does come out of my mouth which husband greatly dislikes
but it's difficult to change back

Sammy-San said:

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I agree for breast feeding, when talking about medical issues or in a formal way. However, if I was talking about my own body parts to a friend I actually feel degraded using the word breasts. I'll have a slight abhorrence and wish I could distance myself from them. (This is all on a minor level of course. I would never actually enlarge that slight feeling by getting bothered by it and not countering the thought with a positive one). It is also the word translaters use in Hosea when it states they would be stripped bare so his wife would be shamed.

However, if I use the word boobs (not boobies) or 'bust' if talking about chest in general, I feel an acceptance, tenderness and warmth about them. Words have different connotations to different people, have different emotions attached to them to.

A one size fits all approach to words can't work in a society where people have had different experiences and thus the brain makes its own associations to words.

Sam91 said:

However, if I use the word boobs (not boobies) or 'bust' if talking about chest in general, I feel an acceptance, tenderness and warmth about them. Words have different connotations to different people, have different emotions attached to them to.

A one size fits all approach to words can't work in a society where people have had different experiences and thus the brain makes its own associations to words.

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Yup. To me, "breasts" has connotations of analysis, nakedness or invasiveness - sort of a space that is private even from most friends. "Boobs" is a term that can be used without these negative connotations. The word has connotations of being clothed, or if not clothed, described in a non-invasive or platonic way, such as relationship between mother and child.

It's funny, my reaction is quite different. Breasts to me is neutral, "boobs" is a bit crass.

Either way, the point of the article Sam originally linked was that to focus on the anatomy, rather than the person, is objectifying.

IMO men are supremely capable of sinning and seemed to do it with a severity and frequency that's mind-boggling. They do not need women to assist in that particular accomplishment.

Well, Sam, I'd like you to speak respectfully of me as a person, but that doesn't mean I need to walk around covered in a burqa, either.

Zoii said:

IMO men are supremely capable of sinning and seemed to do it with a severity and frequency that's mind-boggling. They do not need women to assist in that particular accomplishment.

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As Solomon says in Ecclesiastes 7:28, there is not one righteous man among a thousand.

Paidiske said:

Either way, the point of the article Sam originally linked was that to focus on the anatomy, rather than the person, is objectifying.

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Its true that certain advertising does focus on the breasts rather than the woman, but its also true that more breasts than women are affected by breast cancer. So the focus is not entirely unfair.

Doctor.Sphinx said:

Its true that certain advertising does focus on the breasts rather than the woman, but its also true that more breasts than women are affected by breast cancer. So the focus is not entirely unfair.

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?? If you're pointing out that men can also have breast cancer, "save the boobs" doesn't really work for them, either, does it?

Paidiske said:

?? If you're pointing out that men can also have breast cancer, "save the boobs" doesn't really work for them, either, does it?

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Yes, "boobs" definitely only apply to females, unless prefixed by "man-", which in my view is impolite. I was more pointing to the anatomical fact that breasts come in pairs (so more boobs than women affected), and where I live, "boobs" is still a more polite word to use than "breasts".

But whether a woman has cancer in one breast or both... the point is that making it about the breasts, rather than the woman and her life, is missing the point, no?