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No I can't recall meeting him - which is a little strange. As you're probably aware, there are around 23 people in Australia. Given the size of the country we're all tightly crammed in and most of us are related so we know each other pretty well. Did Jarrah arrive recently?
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LOL

Reminds me of the time I asked our resident Mensan about Nigel Short:

AV1611VET said:
Have you ever met Nigel Short?

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Yes. As a Briton, I have met all other British people, since we all live within five miles of the Queen. ^_^

But no, I haven't met him. I hear he's an OK chess player, though.

Ask a physicist anything.
 
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Ok, thank you. I was just wondering if you had known him from youtube. He's pretty well known on the net on the faked Apollo, Moon & Mars material. Ok, don't want to derail the OP. I was just curious.

No probs.

Faked moon landings are not my area of interest so I have no clues about who's doing what on YouTube.

On the other hand I could bore you to tears with the fascinating History of the English Language?
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Dismiss what?

(Think about what you said.)
I have thought about it, people confuse faith with gullibility. People who believe one part of the Bible are then forced to suspend common sense and believe other parts of the 66 Books that preachers put together.


When the Hebrews were redoing the history of the Israelites they knew nothing of science, evolution or a huge round planet with lots of other cultures and living things. Their creation flood story was for the average, simple minded Israelite.


The creators of Genesis didn't even know Australia existed.

"In a 2011 genetic study by Ramussen et al., researchers took a DNA sample from an early 20th century lock of an Aboriginal person's hair with low European admixture. They found that the ancestors of the Aboriginal population split off from the Eurasian population between 62,000 and 75,000 BP, whereas the European and Asian populations split only 25,000 to 38,000 years BP, indicating an extended period of Aboriginal genetic isolation. These Aboriginal ancestors migrated into South Asia and then into Australia, where they stayed, with the result that, outside of Africa, the Aboriginal peoples have occupied the same territory continuously longer than any other human populations. These findings suggest that modern Aboriginal peoples are the direct descendants of migrants who left Africa up to 75,000 years ago.[22][23] This finding is compatible with earlier archaeological finds of human remains near Lake Mungo that date to approximately 40,000 years ago." Wiki
 
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On the other hand I could bore you to tears with the fascinating History of the English Language?
OB
I have read some history on the English language, from sacred history, in the History of the Reformation by Merle D'Aubigne, in the time of Tyndale, Luther, Calvin, Zwingle, Wishart, Knox, Hamilton, and others, and I have read material on the Goths to Wycliffe, in In Awe of thy Word, by sister Gail Riplinger - https://www.pearltrees.com/s/file/preview/174347811/In Awe of Thy Word.pdf
 
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Good book! :oldthumbsup:

(I'm a KJVO.)
I love sister Gail. :) I have it on my shelf, and her other materials, along with brother Gipp, David W Daniels (you need to see his latest material on Sinaiticus), Jack Mooman, etc.
 
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God forbids "magic", and does not use "magic" (which is illusory, a deception, a lie) (as it is against His Character of Truth, which is eternal, see also Exo. 33:12-23, 34:1-9, 20:5-6):

Deu 18:9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
Deu 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
Deu 18:12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
Deu 18:13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.

1Sa_15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Rev_22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.​
When the Hebrews re-wrote their exaggerated history, they had God putting a lying spirit into some prophets. The Jews Bible claims God uses curses and lies.


19And the LORD said, ‘Who will entice Ahab king of Israel to march up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?’

And one suggested this, and another that.

20Then a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD, and said, ‘I will entice him.’

‘By what means?’ asked the LORD.

21And he replied, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’

‘You will surely entice him and prevail,’ said the LORD. ‘Go and do it.’

22So you see, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of these prophets of yours, and the LORD has pronounced disaster against you.”
 
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Brother John Mackay (Aussie) speaks about the Aboriginal peoples and their connection to India, and the dingos, etc.

John Mackay is a fruitcake! Anyone who refers to the clown show at AIG discredits himself. Its not science, its discredited religious superstition.
 
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What do you mean by 'niches'?

After the flood there is no 'niches', but a wasteland and debris. They didn't need to go back to anywhere.

And yet, all koala's and kangaroo's, without exception, somehow made it to Australia.

They left the Ark, and the fear of man was put upon them by God, and went where God directed them to by the same angels that brought them to Noah and the Ark:

Yeah. Angels have wings. So the Koala's and kangaroo's probably hitchhiked on the back of said angels, who flew them all the way to Australia. :D

 
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I have thought about it, people confuse faith with gullibility. People who believe one part of the Bible are then forced to suspend common sense and believe other parts of the 66 Books that preachers put together.


When the Hebrews were redoing the history of the Israelites they knew nothing of science, evolution or a huge round planet with lots of other cultures and living things. Their creation flood story was for the average, simple minded Israelite.


The creators of Genesis didn't even know Australia existed.

"In a 2011 genetic study by Ramussen et al., researchers took a DNA sample from an early 20th century lock of an Aboriginal person's hair with low European admixture. They found that the ancestors of the Aboriginal population split off from the Eurasian population between 62,000 and 75,000 BP, whereas the European and Asian populations split only 25,000 to 38,000 years BP, indicating an extended period of Aboriginal genetic isolation. These Aboriginal ancestors migrated into South Asia and then into Australia, where they stayed, with the result that, outside of Africa, the Aboriginal peoples have occupied the same territory continuously longer than any other human populations. These findings suggest that modern Aboriginal peoples are the direct descendants of migrants who left Africa up to 75,000 years ago.[22][23] This finding is compatible with earlier archaeological finds of human remains near Lake Mungo that date to approximately 40,000 years ago." Wiki

Based on artefacts found at the Madjedbebe rock shelter in the Northern Territory, human occupation of Australia has now been pushed back to 60,000 - 70,000 years ago.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/07/find-australia-hints-very-early-human-exit-africa
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When the Hebrews re-wrote their exaggerated history, they had God putting a lying spirit into some prophets. The Jews Bible claims God uses curses and lies.


19And the LORD said, ‘Who will entice Ahab king of Israel to march up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?’

And one suggested this, and another that.

20Then a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD, and said, ‘I will entice him.’

‘By what means?’ asked the LORD.

21And he replied, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’

‘You will surely entice him and prevail,’ said the LORD. ‘Go and do it.’

22So you see, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of these prophets of yours, and the LORD has pronounced disaster against you.”
1 Ki. 22:19-24, 2 Chr. 18:18-23 is similar to Job 1:6-12, 2:1-7 in which satan the 'lying spirit (angel)' had access (once again) to the gates of Heaven (as Adam had given dominion ('stewardship', not ownership) of this world over to him, Gen. 3) as the representative head of this world (2 Cor. 4:4), until Calvary (Rom. 5:6, Rev. 12:10).

Satan told God what he would do, as he is a liar (Jhn. 8:44, Gen 3:1) when God had asked in the counsel of Heaven (where the other representative heads of the unfallen worlds were and the angels of Heaven are, see Luk. 15:7, etc). God knowing all things, told satan that he would indeed accomplish what he stated through his lie.

God allowed it (for satan has limited authority, see Luk. 22:31), thus the scriptures attribute that decision to God. This deals with the will of God, in the matter of the great controversy going on since Lucifer's accusations against God in Heaven (between truth and lies). God withdraws protection for those who refuse His protection through disobedience, and leaves those who want darkness, in darkness (God gives them up, Rom. 1:24-26). God is love (1 Jhn 4:8,16) and is the God of truth (Deut. 32:4).

You really ought to change, or have the mods change your "Christian seeker" tag. It is misrepresenting your position, and makes things unclear for others.
 
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John Mackay is a fruitcake! Anyone who refers to the clown show at AIG discredits himself. Its not science, its discredited religious superstition.
Let me know what you think of the material in the video on the connection made between India and Australian aboriginal peoples therein, and the dingo's. It is the only two portions I would like your return on.
 
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Would you give a single example from scripture to look at?

Any "miracle" will do.

"miracle": the suspension / violation of natural law.

That's what magic is. Not David Copperfield magic. But actual Harry Potter style magic.
To have that which is physically impossible, happen anyway.

To suspend / violate the laws of nature.
 
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I have read some history on the English language, from sacred history, in the History of the Reformation by Merle D'Aubigne, in the time of Tyndale, Luther, Calvin, Zwingle, Wishart, Knox, Hamilton, and others, and I have read material on the Goths to Wycliffe, in In Awe of thy Word, by sister Gail Riplinger - https://www.pearltrees.com/s/file/preview/174347811/In Awe of Thy Word.pdf

Just had a browse thru In Awe of Thy Word (Goths to Wycliffe). It's basically a history of Christianity and the Bible in Britain. While it touches on English as a language it really doesn't say much. BTW - I have my own copy of Bede and the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles.

The other side of the coin is that it is possible to backtrack the precursors of English, as well as most European, Persian and northern Indian languages (including Hittite), to a common ancestor language spoken on the steppes north and west of the Black Sea around 5000 years ago.

(I warned you I could bore you to tears :))
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And yet, all koala's and kangaroo's, without exception, somehow made it to Australia.
I could quote a few science (livescience, etc, nonYEC) articles, but I am more interested in your position on how any living thing arrived on 'Australia' (since some nonYEC 'science' say that marsupials came from South America).

If you wanted a YEC position, I could give another vid by John Mackay.

Yeah. Angels have wings.
Yes, angels have wings:

Isa_6:2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.

Eze_1:11 Thus were their faces: and their wings were stretched upward; two wings of every one were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies.

Eze_1:23 And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies.​

Many of God's creatures have wings.

So the Koala's and kangaroo's probably hitchhiked on the back of said angels, who flew them all the way to Australia. :D
No, no need to fly (though that is not ruled out, in several ways). Walking and ship (taken by man, who was able to cross the new landscape of the earth even shortly after the flood, just as today, with such animals in zoos, and 'exotic' animal introduction to certain islands, etc) will do just fine, as the creatures would spread out from where they landed (the only ones that died right away were the clean ones that Noah sacrificed), and would have a longer lifespan unlike those of today. A rough comparison could be made between the ages of men before and after the flood, and a similar extrapolated listing for the animals based upon todays longevities.
 
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Just had a browse thru In Awe of Thy Word (Goths to Wycliffe). It's basically a history of Christianity and the Bible in Britain. While it touches on English as a language it really doesn't say much. BTW - I have my own copy of Bede and the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles.

The other side of the coin is that it is possible to backtrack the precursors of English, as well as most European, Persian and northern Indian languages (including Hittite), to a common ancestor language spoken on the steppes north and west of the Black Sea around 5000 years ago.

(I warned you I could bore you to tears :))
OB
Not boring to me. Interesting.
 
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