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Their testimony is about serving Christ , and since they worship Christ they refuse to worship the beast , they die because they refuse to worship the beast ,

You need to get a better grasp on the topic overall , it is not about men and what men want to do ..
The beast , the false prophet and the image of the beast are like an unholy trinity - they are all the same team , this topic is about satan vs God as it goes way back to when lucifer said he would be the most high and convince 1/3 of the angels to join in a mutiny of sorts, God took Eden away from lucifer and gave it to Adam, then satan tricked Adam into sinning

What Revelation is about is the showdown between Jesus and satan which we Know Jesus wins -it is not about human men, God just utilizes men for His own purpose , the beast is revealed to be under satanic power as well ad the false prophet which is why they are thrown Alive directly into the lake of fire , not killed like ordinary men -the beast and false prophet are not going to the great white throne judgment , they go directly ALIVE into the lake of fire
until you really understand what it is about you will struggle with this
there is much about this topic you do not understand , and I am not going into the time it takes to explain it , Douggg may , Revealing Times may , and there are others here that may , but it takes more time than I can give it
sorry but you need to learn why there is a first beast , a second beast , and the image of the beast

I have told you that it is not about buying or selling , it is not about you die if you don't get the mark - it is about WHO YOU WILL SERVE
Your soul will be given up if you accept the mark
because accepting the mark is acknowledging that you will worship the beast
And if you do not worship the beast you will be killed
you are taking that verse and ripping it entirely out of it's context and trying to make it stand on it's own which is why you fail to understand this topic

You fail to understand the word of God.
They do not worship thebeast or his image nor do they recieve its mark.But they are killed be ause of thier testimony of Christ.


Revelation 20:4 Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for thier witness of Jesus ,and for the word of God,and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.


Same reason they sought to kill Jesus .For testifying the truth.
John 8:40 KJV: But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
 
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But it is the computer and the computer chip, its not my interpretation, its the own bibles interpretation.

Prove it with Scripture. Do you know how to quote verses to support your claim, don't you? Based on all of your previous posts on this thread alone, you have not provide even a single verse, so I don't think so!

You are blind to the world we live in.

You obviously are not a bible student. I can tell that you will basically forcing the particular verse, if I ever quote you one, to mean what you want it to say without a Scripture support whatsoever. Like I said, prove your interpretation WITH Bible verses that confirm what you believe. You can't go around and declare that the beast is "is the computer and the comptuer chip, it is not my interpretation, it is the own bibles' interpretation."

No, you need to show us a proof with a verse and explain it. Else you are one of them who do not know what they are babbling about!

You tell me its not a computer, then tell me, what is it? so I can prove you 100 percent wrong.

Not until you find God's definition for the word, "beast" in Scripture, first. Then we will go from there. If not, I won't waste my time with people that lack biblical exegesis.
 
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You fail to understand the word of God.
They do not worship thebeast or his image nor do they recieve its mark.But they are killed be ause of thier testimony of Christ.
As Jesus said you cannot serve two masters , they gave their testimony that they serve and will only serve Christ , and as such they will not serve the beast , and that is why they are killed, they made the choice to serve Christ and not the beast , so they are killed
 
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Jesus is the image of the living God (Colossians 1:15), and man is made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27), so perhaps the image of the Beast (Revelation 13:14-15) is referring to those who embody the Beast...with worship of the beast being the joining of that group and the mark then being a badge of membership?

I will jump in and respond to your original post (OP) above, I think by your suggestion, you are closer the truth on this matter.

Colossians 1:14-15
  • "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
  • Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:"

Revelation 16:2
  • "And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image."
Whether it is the image [eikon] of Christ or the image [eikon] of the beast, it is signifying the representation or likeness of that thing. For example, Scripture tells us Christ is the exact "image" of God. If we worship Christ, we are worshipping God. Likewise, the "image" of the beast is that which represents or is a likeness of Satan. If we worship the image or that which is like Satan, we worship Satan. Colossians 1 tells us Christ is the image of God, and it is just to worship that image. The beast is the image of Satan, and it is unrighteous to worship that image.

By the Spirit, true believers are conformed to God's image, and the likeness or image of the beast is what ALL the wicked by nature conform to. By nature, they worship him because they are ruled over by him as we are ruling by Christ, and they are slaves to him.

The two horned beast of Revelation 13 is the body of false prophets and christs. They are forcing the people of the congregation who have NOT yet sealed by God, to receive the mark, name or number of the beast. It means that the professed Christians within the House of God have gone into apostasy, a falling away of God's people to the abominations taking place in the holy place.

Matthew 24:15-16
  • "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )
  • Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:"
Those who do not flee are (or will be) deceived and marked of Satan's carnal congregation (the beast) as that is "signifying" they BELONG to him. That is what the mark of the beast signifies. Not computer chips. Not tattoo. Not any physical mark as most believes at all! Just as God of Old Testament marked His people in the forehead in the midst of abominations in His holy city "signifying" they belong to Him, Ezekiel 9:4. It was not physical mark that Ezekiel saw! The point is God was painting a spiritual picture for us that we might compare Scripture with Scripture and come to the truth of the matter. Today's church really needs to ask itself this pertinent question. Are they of the likenes of Him who represents love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness and temperance with Christ as center of worship? Or are we wrshiping Satan who represents greed, unfaithfulness, hatred, uncleanness, lust, idolatry, spiritual drunkenness, envying and murder? What image is really beloved and do they really worship? What spirit are they really in? Is it that of Christ in obedience or is it really that spirit of the adversary in disobedience (Ephesians 2:2)? Are we enamored with the kingdoms of this world (Romans 12:2), or the world to come (Mark 10:30). That determines who we worship, serve and whose image we seek after.

Matthew 4:8-10
  • "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
  • And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
  • Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."
Satan offers the same temptation to us today! We either are drawn to or adapt to his image or Christ's. For just as true believers, as servants of God, are conformed to the image [eikon] or likeness of Christ (Romans 8:29) to worship him in Spirit and Truth, so in this same way the servants of Satan (the pseudo or anti-christ) are conformed to his image [eikon] or likeness to worship him by believe his lies.

Sadly, MOST people think that people will be literally worshipping a statue, a person with supernatural power, etc. but as we worship the Lord in spirit and truth conforming to His image, so the wicked worship Satan in spirit and lies, conforming to his image! We all either serve one master or the other, there is no in-between or gray area. In spiritual sense! If we are opposed to the doctrines of Christ, we are serving the beast and are conformed to worship his image. Just as we have the name of Christ as Christian spiritually upon us as His children, they have the name of the beast spiritually upon them as children of the Devil. Just as we are marked of God unto salvation, so they are marked of the beast unto damnation.

Ezekiel 9:4
  • "And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof."
There is nothing new under the sun saith the preacher. Even as God marked His servants of old who cried over the abominations of His people in the holy city, so the faithful in God's congregation (church) today are spiritually marked in their forehead illustrating they are the true servants bought with a price by Christ. Likewise, Satan spiritually marks his own, where they become his children as part of his spiritual family, with his name or moniker and number! The image of the beast is a portrait of the "exact opposite" of the body of Christ, the Temple of Christ, the image of Christ. We worship in either one likeness or in the other. We are under one "representation" of one kingdom or the other. The Kingdom of Christ or the kingdom of the beast.

So then, I believe that the image of the beast signifies being "like" Satan, as those who don't worship Christ or who don't conform to His image, worship and conform to the antichrist image. The beast from the bottomless pit is the spirit of evil, the likeness of Satan, whom the unfaithful worship.

Hope this helps!
 
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Not until you find God's definition for the word, "beast" in Scripture, first. Then we will go from there. If not, I won't waste my time with people that lack biblical exegesis.
TribulationSigns, stop being elusive, you provide the scriptures that back up your view on the beast. How beast is used in the bible. Daniel is obviously thinking out loud looking for what others think about the possibility, which he is convinced the beast is a computer. And is being non-combative in his posts, which you are, and it is not necessary.

Just contribute to the thread offering what you think regarding the beast without raking the other person over coals. And explain why you don't think it is a computer like Daniel does.
 
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TribulationSigns, stop being elusive, you provide the scriptures that back up your view on the beast. How beast is used in the bible. Daniel is obviously thinking out loud looking for what others think about the possibility, which he is convinced the beast is a computer. And is being non-combative in his posts, which you are, and it is not necessary.

Tough! Daniel was the one who insisted that the beast is a computer without a Scripture support whatsoever in all of his post here. I did ask once for Scripture support which Daniel have failed. So I have asked AGAIN for Scripture proof where God has defined the beast as a computer in Scripture which he has not yet done so.

We are called by God to allow Scripture to be its own interpreter, not called us to "think out loud" with all sorts of unbiblical theories and man-made ideas based on nothing but a thin air, which explains where you come from as well! Selah!

Just contribute to the thread offering what you think regarding the beast without raking the other person over coals. And explain why you don't think it is a computer like Daniel.

No, I am here to teach some people how to understand prophecies by allowing the Bible be its own interpreter, rather than yourself! To insist that the beast is a computer without verse is not a biblical proof. It's called private interpreter! Anyone can see that! When they will ADMIT that they could not provide Scripture support and realize that what they believe is indeed a private interpretation, I will decide whether to contribute.
 
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Prove it with Scripture. Do you know how to quote verses to support your claim, don't you? Based on all of your previous posts on this thread alone, you have not provide even a single verse, so I don't think so!



You obviously are not a bible student. I can tell that you will basically forcing the particular verse, if I ever quote you one, to mean what you want it to say without a Scripture support whatsoever. Like I said, prove your interpretation WITH Bible verses that confirm what you believe. You can't go around and declare that the beast is "is the computer and the comptuer chip, it is not my interpretation, it is the own bibles' interpretation."

No, you need to show us a proof with a verse and explain it. Else you are one of them who do not know what they are babbling about!



Not until you find God's definition for the word, "beast" in Scripture, first. Then we will go from there. If not, I won't waste my time with people that lack biblical exegesis.


Now, lets do this, its fairly easy to understand, But remember to use the king James version, there are many reasons why. because if you do not you will be led to be deceived.

We read that the second beast comes from the earth, not the sea like the first. We know the sea represents many peoples.

But there is no translation for the earth, so we know it is made from the earth. So if its made from the earth, it is a creation of men.

We also know it represents the first beast and gives it its power, so it is a creation of men that gives power.

We also know it speaks like a dragon, So this earth created object speaks like a dragon.

We also know it shows images of the first beast, and also images of fire coming down to earth.

We read on to learn it produces a number that if you do not have it you can not buy sell or trade.

It has two horns on its head.

now here is the conclusion

A computer is a man made object that speaks like a dragon, it even has the dragon app to help do the speaking for you.

A computer produces images of fire coming down to the sky.

A computer helps government officials become elected to be given power.

A computer produces numbers to force the population to receive the mark of the beast, the beast being a computer. If it is a number mark, and it is produced from the beast, there is no other thing it could be.

It had horns on its head , representing Antennas, any router now a days has two Antennas on each side. there are some with just one but the vision he had showed him a receptor with two Antennas. Televisions also do all this, everything but produce a number mark, so I came to the conclusion it is a computer.

In verse 12 we read ,And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him. When you exercise you take action to do something or show something. So what earthly object is there that can exercise the power of any one? A computer.

there is more, hold on......

And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;

So we read that it produces miracles, for the site of men. remember this, the site of men. so they can see the miracles with there site.

saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast,

How do we make images today??? Now we live in a modern tech world, not the past, we do thing different now. and we make images with a computer.

They should make a image of the beast, they as the people who worship the beast, will make a image of the beast from a computer.

And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast

Animation, frame by frame animations, I know, I am a 3d animator. I give life to all the animated images I produce.

that the image of the beast should both speak

So they will make a animated movie of the first beast that has the power of speech, from a computer.

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

This mark is of the beast, the computer, a implant if you will. you see how it says in the there right hand or in there forehead, not on, but in. So if you are given a mark of the beast, a computer, and it is in your hand, there is no other thing it can be but a implanted device.

SO, We learn, there is nothing else it can be, with all the clues and facts we know today, in the tech world we own and run. The only way today to make any image speak and have the power to have life, animation, is a computer.

Conclusion, The computer is the second beast foretold in the book of revelations.

Here is the full scripture bellow


Revelation 13


11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
 
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Tough! Daniel was the one who insisted that the beast is a computer without a Scripture support whatsoever in all of his post here. I did ask once for Scripture support which Daniel have failed. So I have asked AGAIN for Scripture proof where God has defined the beast as a computer in Scripture which he has not yet done so.

We are called by God to allow Scripture to be its own interpreter, not called us to "think out loud" with all sorts of unbiblical theories and man-made ideas based on nothing but a thin air, which explains where you come from as well! Selah!



No, I am here to teach some people how to understand prophecies by allowing the Bible be its own interpreter, rather than yourself! To insist that the beast is a computer without verse is not a biblical proof. It's called private interpreter! Anyone can see that! When they will ADMIT that they could not provide Scripture support and realize that what they believe is indeed a private interpretation, I will decide whether to contribute.
If you act like a jerk when you are wrong, I can hardly image what you will act like should you ever be right. Daniel ask why you don't think the image of the beast involves a computer. Provide your explanation of why not, and what you think the image of the beast is.
 
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Conclusion, The computer is the second beast foretold in the book of revelations.
Daniel, does it make sense to cast a computer alive into the lake of fire?

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
 
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A computer produces images of fire coming down to the sky.
Revelation 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Daniel, are you aware in old testament times, there was a battle between the prophets of baal and the Elijah the prophet of God, which Elijah was able to make fire come down from heaven, to start a water soaked stack of wood on fire - to prove God as the true God, and baal a false god.

It is likely that the second beast, later in the text of Revelation called the false prophet, will claim to be Elijah the prophet.

Since Elijah is supposed to appear to the nation of Israel before the Day of the Lord, to soften the people's heart. The real Elijah is probably one of the two witnesses in Revelation 11.

The false Elijah, at the start of the seven years, before it gets into the beast years in Revelation 13, will be the one most likely to anoint the Antichrist, as the King of Israel (Illegitimate), as the Jews will make a huge mistake in thinking that person is their messiah instead of Jesus.

Everything turns bad after about 3 years 3 months into his reign - when the Antichrist gets convinced that he has achieved God-hood, and betrays the Jews and the covenant they made with God at Mt. Sinai.

Which brings him to the point of being the beast in Revelation 13 and his sidekick the false prophet work together to make everyone think he is God.
 
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So then, I believe that the image of the beast signifies being "like" Satan, as those who don't worship Christ or who don't conform to His image, worship and conform to the antichrist image. The beast from the bottomless pit is the spirit of evil, the likeness of Satan, whom the unfaithful worship.
So essentially you believe the image of the beast is a behavior peculiar to unsaved people?

That the false prophet has the people of the word make a behavior.

Does that agree with what the bible says about making images?

Exodus 20:
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Revelaton 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

It is straightforward it is going to be a statue in the likeness of the beast.
 
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Now, lets do this, its fairly easy to understand, But remember to use the king James version, there are many reasons why. because if you do not you will be led to be deceived.

Don't worry, I use KJV...exclusive.

We read that the second beast comes from the earth, not the sea like the first. We know the sea represents many peoples.

According to the Scirpture, the sea represents the whole unsaved world. Yes.

But there is no translation for the earth, so we know it is made from the earth. So if its made from the earth, it is a creation of men.

My KJV does say:

Revelation 13:11-12
[11] And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
[12] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

We also know it represents the first beast and gives it its power, so it is a creation of men that gives power.

Hold on. You have not yet prove a verse where God has defined for the word, beast, in Scripture. What does the beast represents?

We also know it shows images of the first beast, and also images of fire coming down to earth.

"images of fire coming down to earth"? Where do you find that in your KJV?

We read on to learn it produces a number that if you do not have it you can not buy sell or trade.

Where does it say in your KJV that the image produces a number? Did God actually talking about physical selling and buying here?

It has two horns on its head.

What did God defined the horn as in Scripture?

now here is the conclusion

According to you or God? Let's see...

A computer is a man made object that speaks like a dragon, it even has the dragon app to help do the speaking for you.

A beast is a man-made object (ie. computer) that speaks like a dragon... literally? And there is even an app to help to speak on our behalf?

LOL!! Okay, move on.

A computer produces images of fire coming down to the sky.

Like a screensaver?

A computer helps government officials become elected to be given power.

Time out. What power is this? The power that the Dragon gave to the FIRST beast?

A computer produces numbers to force the population to receive the mark of the beast, the beast being a computer. If it is a number mark, and it is produced from the beast, there is no other thing it could be.

A computer produces numbers? With an "s"?

Revelation 13:18
[18] Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

God said to count that number which is ONE number. 666! How do you count that single number? It is not man made the number at all! It is number assigned by God to identify those who receive the mark.

It had horns on its head , representing Antennas, any router now a days has two Antennas on each side. there are some with just one but the vision he had showed him a receptor with two Antennas. Televisions also do all this, everything but produce a number mark, so I came to the conclusion it is a computer.

The two horns upon the second beast are antennas literally? Have you see beast (computer) with two antennas?! LOL!

In verse 12 we read ,And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him. When you exercise you take action to do something or show something. So what earthly object is there that can exercise the power of any one? A computer.

Wait. You stated that the second beast is a computer which is a power that first beast use? Who is first beast out of the sea?

there is more, hold on......

Oh! More unbiblical theories. I am exciting!

And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;

So we read that it produces miracles, for the site of men. remember this, the site of men. so they can see the miracles with there site.

Site? You mean website? Computer produce websites? Okaayyyy....

Animation, frame by frame animations, I know, I am a 3d animator. I give life to all the animated images I produce.

Sigh. So you believe that the image of the beast is an animated image that you give life to? Shouldn't you quit being an animator then?

So they will make a animated movie of the first beast that has the power of speech, from a computer.

"They?" EVERYONE who receive the mark will make an animated movie? You are funny.

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

This mark is of the beast, the computer, a implant if you will. you see how it says in the there right hand or in there forehead, not on, but in. So if you are given a mark of the beast, a computer, and it is in your hand, there is no other thing it can be but a implanted device.

You do not make any sense.

You said the first beast is computer
You said the second beast is a computer
You said the mark of the beast is a computer (implant version)

SO, We learn, there is nothing else it can be, with all the clues and facts we know today, in the tech world we own and run. The only way today to make any image speak and have the power to have life, animation, is a computer.

So the animation is what God warned us to avoid?

Conclusion, The computer is the second beast foretold in the book of revelations.

Epic fail! You have not yet found a verse I have asked you before where God has defined the beast AS computer. You just made the beast up based on your profession as an animator! Please!

The beast is not even a physical object you liked us to believe!

Here is the full scripture bellow

Finally! Yet I do not think you really understand it because this is not what God's interpretation of the beast is, the image of the beast, and the mark of the beast really are! You need to compare these verses with the rest of Scripture for God's interpretations, not your unbiblical theories involving computers.

Think about it.

If the first beast and second beast are a computer, how will the computers spew frogs out of its "mouth"?

Revelation 16:13-14
[13] And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
[14] For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Or how about this. How will the beast as a computer coming out of bottomless pit to wage war, overcome and kill two Witnesses?

Revelation 11:7-8
[7] And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
[8] And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Explain how will computer accomplish this? Seriously?!
 
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Daniel, does it make sense to cast a computer alive into the lake of fire?
LOL! That!

Will a physical computer be thrown alive into a physical lake of fire?

Won't a physical computer already be "dead" once unplugged by Christ before thrown into lake of fire.

Imagine Jesus, with all of His Glory, will have to cast man-made "computer" into Lake of fire alive. Will computers make to be "alive" forever? Picture Amazon echo screams in pain? Daniel seriously! I do not think you really have studied the whole Scripture thoroughly with your computer theories!

The truth is the beast as God defined it, is a BODY of the unsaved world into the Lake of Fire! It is PEOPLE that God will throw into the Lake of Fire. Not computers.
 
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Revelaton 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

It is straightforward it is going to be a statue in the likeness of the beast.

No, you got the beast wrong anyway. It is not the resurrected antichrist like you think. It is not a man-made computer like Daniel think. The beast is a BODY of Satan! Just like Christians are the body of Christ! Selah! The beast forced everyone who has not yet sealed by God (Rev 9) to become part of the body of Satan by taking his mark. It is a spiritual mark. it is a spiritual family. Not a physical mark, nor image being a physical statue like you think.
 
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So essentially you believe the image of the beast is a behavior peculiar to unsaved people?

The evil beasts are images in Scripture to signify the carnal (fleshly), beastly, dangerous nature of man. All of men, women, and children who are not part of God's kingdom. They are enemies of the Gospel Truth.

Here is one of many God's interpretation of the beast:

Psalms 73:22
  • "So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee."
It is my position that beasts are often used in Scripture to signify the animalistic flesh driven nature of man. Lust, lying, selfish, etc. Without Christ, man is as a creature or beast without conscience or wisdom, and like a beast, his driving force is to devour. It is often used to represent kingdoms or individuals as a token of those who live by the flesh (carnal nature) rather than the Spirit. I also believe that Revelation chapter 13 uses this imagery to paint a portrait of the carnal kingdom of Satan, as well as the false prophets who he empowers to devour.

Revelation 13:1-2
  • "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
  • And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority."
Without going into too much detail, the sea often used in Scripture as a synonym for the deep, bottomless pit or abyss, the spiritual place where this evil spirit resides ready to be loosed upon man at any moment. The first beast is the body of the antichrist (his kingdom) that was wounded at Christ's death and resurrection.

That the false prophet has the people of the word make a behavior.

The second beast, aka the false prophet, is a body of Satan making up of false prophets and christs found IN God's Congregation who have deceived many of those to receive the mark of the beast in order to worship the image of the beast. In other words, they refuse to repent of their sin or support the idea that women can be a pastor, divorce and remarriage is okay, prosperity gospel, speaking on tongues, etc. The false prophets and Christs made their doctrines (image of the beast) come alive and have deceived everyone to agree with them. It is the word that came out of their mouth that is the power!

The problem is that you have a carnal mind who is looking for physical objects or individual to fulfill the prophecies. You totally missed what God is actually talking about.
 
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We read that the second beast comes from the earth, not the sea like the first. We know the sea represents many peoples.

But there is no translation for the earth, so we know it is made from the earth. So if its made from the earth, it is a creation of men.
Daniel, the sea in the case of the first beast represents that the person will come from the nations - other than Israel. The sea as such is in many places in the bible, including Revelation 17:15, Daniel 7:2-3.

The second beast out of the earth is commonly considered that the person will come out of Israel, with his two horns like a lamb indicating that he is a religious person, likening him to Jesus our high priest in heaven.

The second beast is a man, like the first beast - and will be cast alive into the lake of fire when Jesus returns.

That the religious beast has the people make an image of the first beast is essentially making a lifeless idol - which God forbid making idols back in the ten commandments.

If the image were just a computer generated animation image of the first beast - that would not be sufficient for people to believe that the first beast is God. It has to be a miracle only considered possible by God - which making the idol of stone, gold, rock, clay, that kind of substance, that the people of the world themselves make - were to come alive and speak - that would have to be by apparent miracle by God. Making it believable, as such.

And that image of beast, assuming it is the abomination of desolation will be placed in the holy place - the holy place being a rebuilt temple, probably downsized in its initial stage - triggering the great tribulation, Matthew 24:15.

The image by lying miracle comes alive and speaks. It is in the temple. So how is the world aware of what the image says? And worship that image? It is in the temple, in Jerusalem.

That is where your computer screen idea comes in, imo. Computers will be the interactive connection between the image of the beast, the idol that has come to life, in the temple, and the people of the world. Probably not the whole worship system, but a big part of it at least.
 
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No, you got the beast wrong anyway. It is not the resurrected antichrist like you think. It is not a man-made computer like Daniel think. The beast is a BODY of Satan!
Here is what the bible calls beasts, which the first beast in Revelation 13, his number is the number of a man - not Satan.

These are men, evil men, liars, called beasts. Is the first beast and second beasts in Revelation liars and evil? Is the first beast number not the number of the man?

Titus 1:12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.

In Daniel 7, beast represent kings.

Daniel 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth. The first beast in Revelation 13 is the eighth king according to Revelation 17:11.
 
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The problem is that you have a carnal mind who is looking for physical objects or individual to fulfill the prophecies. You totally missed what God is actually talking about.
No, the problem is that you don't know enough to understand how the prophecies fit together or mean. And the reason is apparent to me, that you don't act humble enough in dealing with others - that God would entrust you with the understanding.

So you are concluding that theological philosophy is the right path to interpreting the prophecies. And blame others who don't buy into your view as having a carnal mind....
 
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Will a physical computer be thrown alive into a physical lake of fire?

Won't a physical computer already be "dead" once unplugged by Christ before thrown into lake of fire.

Imagine Jesus, with all of His Glory, will have to cast man-made "computer" into Lake of fire alive. Will computers make to be "alive" forever? .
They can do amazing things with batteries these days , some may even create a lake of fire on your couch or car seat ^_^
 
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Daniel, the sea in the case of the first beast represents that the person will come from the nations - other than Israel. The sea as such is in many places in the bible, including Revelation 17:15, Daniel 7:2-3.

The second beast out of the earth is commonly considered that the person will come out of Israel, with his two horns like a lamb indicating that he is a religious person, likening him to Jesus our high priest in heaven.

The second beast is a man, like the first beast - and will be cast alive into the lake of fire when Jesus returns.

That the religious beast has the people make an image of the first beast is essentially making a lifeless idol - which God forbid making idols back in the ten commandments.

If the image were just a computer generated animation image of the first beast - that would not be sufficient for people to believe that the first beast is God. It has to be a miracle only considered possible by God - which making the idol of stone, gold, rock, clay, that kind of substance, that the people of the world themselves make - were to come alive and speak - that would have to be by apparent miracle by God. Making it believable, as such.

And that image of beast, assuming it is the abomination of desolation will be placed in the holy place - the holy place being a rebuilt temple, probably downsized in its initial stage - triggering the great tribulation, Matthew 24:15.

The image by lying miracle comes alive and speaks. It is in the temple. So how is the world aware of what the image says? And worship that image? It is in the temple, in Jerusalem.

That is where your computer screen idea comes in, imo. Computers will be the interactive connection between the image of the beast, the idol that has come to life, in the temple, and the people of the world. Probably not the whole worship system, but a big part of it at least.

A person cant show images coming down from the sky in the view of all men
A person cant preform miracles like speaking like a dragon and making images come to life
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Thanks for your reply though, I have read this a long time ago and use to think the same way till I started computer graphic design.
 
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