Gap creationism v. progressive creationism..

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genesis 1:11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.
God spoke and plants started to grow.
and
Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

No long ages there just YEC.

Doesn't really explain "Let the land produce..."? What does "it was so" mean? The command/fiat to the land and/or water is mediate not immediate, and would clearly imply a process. The structure of Gen. 1 should require a little thought and critical thinking...
 
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Gap between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 is still day 1 . Animals were created after day 1 which is making that theory plain wrong .

You can't fit evolution there and be right with Bible .

chinchilla,

1. Where do you put the Luciferian rebellion at and how did that unfold before creation? Jerry kelso
 
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Yes, creation itself is a revelation of God. As was the case for flate earth and geocentricism, if our interpretation of scripture is at odds with the revelation of God in creation then perhaps we need to modify our approach somewhat.

"Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learned from experience and the light of reason?

Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although “they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertions”."

* This excerpt is from “The Literal Meaning of Genesis” by St. Augustine of Hippo written AD 415

Interesting. This opinion could be applied to either side of the debate.
 
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Although it sounds as if I am saying something contradictory ... I am not at all.

I am a Scientist, and also a Christian. In Genesis, I believe that God is saying something very deep and very profound. When He speaks about creating light and darkness ... this is a very deep statement about space and time ... how the Universe is put together. When God speaks about "the waters" ... He is not talking about oceans and lakes. He is talking about the Fabric of the Universe. And Light is not simply light from the Sun ... it is indeed the energy that started and created the Universe.

This is where I believe scientists have made a great error. They also assumed that Genesis was simplistic. Wrong ... it is deep and profound. It is not simplistic, and it is not wrong.

I like what one reader said here. Science cannot understand the Mind of God. Exactly!! Science only looks at physical laws. But scientists have failed to stop and consider, what if the Essence Of The Universe can also think and love? And we call that essence ... God.

That is the essential message of Genesis. God loves His creation, and He loves the people on the Earth.

Genesis is a statement of ownership.
Genesis is a statement of authorship.
It is a statement from God - The Father of all Life!

Blessings!!
 
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genesis 1:11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.
God spoke and plants started to grow.
and
Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

No long ages there just YEC.

Or the entire purpose of a 7 day week is to combine our human affairs with respect for creation. Genesis chooses to describe a fluid and complex creation process in terms of 6 days specifically for this purpose.

Why do you insist on absurdity?
 
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chinchilla,

1. Where do you put the Luciferian rebellion at and how did that unfold before creation? Jerry kelso

I used to think that Lucifer and 1/3 of angels fallen between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 but that's not the true according to the Bible .

Ezekiel 28

13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

Looks like Lucifer was still not fallen while walking in Garden of Eden so he could not fall before garden was created . :whistle:
 
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I used to think that Lucifer and 1/3 of angels fallen between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 but that's not the true according to the Bible .

Ezekiel 28

13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

Looks like Lucifer was still not fallen while walking in Garden of Eden so he could not fall before garden was created . :whistle:

Lucifer was already cast out of heaven, back to the earth, where he (she) still rules. The temptation of Eve was an attempt to thwart God's plan of eventually reclaiming the earth as part of his restored kingdom. That he (she) was 'turned into a snake' was just another indignity imposed by God.
 
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I used to think that Lucifer and 1/3 of angels fallen between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 but that's not the true according to the Bible .

Ezekiel 28

13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

Looks like Lucifer was still not fallen while walking in Garden of Eden so he could not fall before garden was created . :whistle:
Where do you get that Lucifer did not fall between Genesis v 1 and 2? If he was in Eden, then he was already fallen. For some reason, God could not keep him out of Eden - probably needed to father the human race. Lucifer seems to have been the high priest - those gemstones are similar to the stones on the Hebrew priests garb. The mountain of God, is Jerusalem - so it seems to have been there originally as well - maybe a Temple.
 
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The gap theory is easily debunked.

Exodus 20:8-11
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of YHWH thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days YHWH made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore YHWH blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
 
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I used to think that Lucifer and 1/3 of angels fallen between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 but that's not the true according to the Bible .

Ezekiel 28

13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
The Ezekiel passage is the garden of Eden
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

Looks like Lucifer was still not fallen while walking in Garden of Eden so he could not fall before garden was created . :whistle:

chinchilla,

1. Isaiah 14:12-14: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground which didn’t weaken the nations.
If Lucifer fell from Heaven and was cut down to the ground and weaken the nation’s, the question is where did he fall to, what ground was he cut down to and what nations were weakened?

2. Isaiah 14:13-15: For thou hast hast said in his heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne, above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation in the sides of the North:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

3.
a)Lucifer fell from Heaven to earth.
b)the ground belonged to the earth.
c)The nations on earth were under the throne of Lucifer. The throne in verse 13.
d)The Mount Of Congregation and the sides of the north is in Heaven.
e)Lucifer ascended above the clouds with thoughts of being and replacing the Most High.
f) Yet he would be brought down to hell and the sides of the pit.
Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels Matthew 25:41.

4. So Lucifer had a throne on our planet called earth. He was full of pride and wanted to take over God and his throne. His permanent destination is under the earth.
So the Ezekiel passage is of the Garden of Eden on Earth before Adam and Eve.

5. In exegesis, the Old and young earth can be right depending on your hermeneutics.
However, this is where those who do not believe in what is called a gap of any kind and not a restoration of the earth cannot rebut the fact that Lucifer had a Throne on earth and subjects that predated Adam and Eve one our world. Jerry kelso
 
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3.
a)Lucifer fell from Heaven to earth.
b)the ground belonged to the earth.
c)The nations on earth were under the throne of Lucifer. The throne in verse 13.
d)The Mount Of Congregation and the sides of the north is in Heaven.
e)Lucifer ascended above the clouds with thoughts of being and replacing the Most High.
f) Yet he would be brought down to hell and the sides of the pit.
Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels Matthew 25:41.

4. So Lucifer had a throne on our planet called earth. He was full of pride and wanted to take over God and his throne. His permanent destination is under the earth.
So the Ezekiel passage is of the Garden of Eden on Earth before Adam and Eve.

5. In exegesis, the Old and young earth can be right depending on your hermeneutics.
However, this is where those who do not believe in what is called a gap of any kind and not a restoration of the earth cannot rebut the fact that Lucifer had a Throne on earth and subjects that predated Adam and Eve one our world.


c. Whatever nations were, or might have been, before the gap, were not human imo, as the gap happened about 60k yrs ago. They were probably hominids, like homo-erectus.
d. The 'Mount Of Congregation and the sides of the north' was Jerusalem imo. - Lucifer ruled the earth from Jerusalem.
4. So the Ezekiel passage is of the Garden of Eden on Earth before Adam and Eve. I agree on that, and he was in the Garden of Eden later, to seduce Eve. What reason could there have been to allow the serpent into the garden? I think that serpent is symbol or code for Lucifer the angel. And the Garden of Eden would have been in East Africa. (despite the later Genesis saying it was in Iraq).
 
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3.
a)Lucifer fell from Heaven to earth.
b)the ground belonged to the earth.
c)The nations on earth were under the throne of Lucifer. The throne in verse 13.
d)The Mount Of Congregation and the sides of the north is in Heaven.
e)Lucifer ascended above the clouds with thoughts of being and replacing the Most High.
f) Yet he would be brought down to hell and the sides of the pit.
Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels Matthew 25:41.

4. So Lucifer had a throne on our planet called earth. He was full of pride and wanted to take over God and his throne. His permanent destination is under the earth.
So the Ezekiel passage is of the Garden of Eden on Earth before Adam and Eve.

5. In exegesis, the Old and young earth can be right depending on your hermeneutics.
However, this is where those who do not believe in what is called a gap of any kind and not a restoration of the earth cannot rebut the fact that Lucifer had a Throne on earth and subjects that predated Adam and Eve one our world.


c. Whatever nations were, or might have been, before the gap, were not human imo, as the gap happened about 60k yrs ago. They were probably hominids, like homo-erectus.
d. The 'Mount Of Congregation and the sides of the north' was Jerusalem imo. - Lucifer ruled the earth from Jerusalem.
4. So the Ezekiel passage is of the Garden of Eden on Earth before Adam and Eve. I agree on that, and he was in the Garden of Eden later, to seduce Eve. What reason could there have been to allow the serpent into the garden? I think that serpent is symbol or code for Lucifer the angel. And the Garden of Eden would have been in East Africa. (despite the later Genesis saying it was in Iraq).

hiscosmicgoldfish3,

1. Lucifer did not rule from Heaven for he was in Eden the garden of God Ezekiel 28:13.

2. Lucifer ruled over sanctuaries which is a civilization and Goy means non Jews which are gentiles.
The other alternative are the angels. There is no indication of this if goy is the correct translation of sanctuaries.

3. The Bible doesn’t state how long between the Luciferian kingdom and the reconstruction of the earth.

4. The Mount Of congregation and sides of the north ruling from Jerusalem out of Heaven is out of context.
God said that Satan said he would exalt his throne which was on earth in the garden of Eden and that he would sit upon the mount of the congregation in the sides of the north. That was his aspiration not where he ruled from.

5. Lucifer was cast down to earth from Heaven when he rebelled Isaiah 14:12.
Because he had a taste of authority is why he was proud not to mention his position as the anointed cherub.
His earth connection is why he was in the garden of Eden as the serpent or working through the serpent.
The Great Confrontation between the devil and God was another reason he was there so he could try to defeat God and take his place.
Also, free will creatures have to have their freewill tested to show their loyalty to God.
The Garden Of Eden was in the Mesopotamian area.
Havilah was where Ishmael descendants lived Genesis 25:13-18. Havilah was Arabia; Gihon was Ethiopia; Hiddekel goes toward east of Assyria.
Assyria today was between turkey and Iraq.
Euphrates flows from the Turkish borders through Syria through Iraq and meets the Tigris in the shatts of Arabia.
The Garden was bigger than Ethiopia in Africa.

6. The serpent was real for it was punished by crawling on it’s belly and would eat the dust of the earth forever, being cursed above all cattle and beast of the field Genesis 4:14.
The devil is real and since he used the serpent to tempt Eve and thwart the plan of God, God would put enmity between thee and the woman and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head and thou shalt bruise his heel.
This was the First Messianic prophecy about the cross. Jerry kelso
 
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c. Whatever nations were, or might have been, before the gap, were not human imo, as the gap happened about 60k yrs ago. They were probably hominids, like homo-erectus.

Probably angelic beings that were able to enjoy the pleasures of the Eden-like earth that was prepared for them as their estate and habitation (Jude vs:6). They sang and shouted for joy when God laid the foundations. (Job 38:7)

Genesis 1: 26-27 is actually quite revealing if the emphasis is put on the right words. It reveals that Man was to be a new and different creation from the angels or any other living thing God had created.

26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

The new Man was to be different from anything ever created by God.
 
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Probably angelic beings that were able to enjoy the pleasures of the Eden-like earth that was prepared for them as their estate and habitation (Jude vs:6). They sang and shouted for joy when God laid the foundations. (Job 38:7)

Genesis 1: 26-27 is actually quite revealing if the emphasis is put on the right words. It reveals that Man was to be a new and different creation from the angels or any other living thing God had created.

26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

The new Man was to be different from anything ever created by God.
Probably angelic beings that were able to enjoy the pleasures of the Eden-like earth that was prepared for them as their estate and habitation (Jude vs:6). They sang and shouted for joy when God laid the foundations. (Job 38:7)

Genesis 1: 26-27 is actually quite revealing if the emphasis is put on the right words. It reveals that Man was to be a new and different creation from the angels or any other living thing God had created.

26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

The new Man was to be different from anything ever created by God.

old wise guy,

1. Jude is true about the angels leaving their first estate and habitation.
Lucifer was profaned and cast down to the ground are literal.
Isaiah 14:12-14, Luke 10:18. Since this true he was cast down before kings Ezekiel 28:17, who were a part of the nations in Isaiah who were weakened. He would not be weakening the angels that sinned with him and revolted with him.
Goy is translated for sanctuaries or nations and means non Jews or gentiles.
Still if it is true the Pre-Adamite world would be different th and in our human race. It doesn’t really say.

2. The thing that is true is Jeremiah 4:23-26 says there is no
23: I veld the earth and lo, it was without form and void and the heavens and they had no light
24: I beheld the mountains and lo they trembled and all the hills moved lightly.
25: I behold and lo there was no man and all the birds of the heaven were fled.
26: I beheld and lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness and all the cities thereof were broken down at the pretense of the Lord and by his fierce anger.
This chapter of a desolation with Genesis 1:2 compared to the land of Israel being totally desolate but not make a full end.

3. Dake’s Plan for Man pg. 128 has 20 contrasts between the flood of Lucifer and the flood of Noah.
Isaiah 14:12-14; Ezekiel 28:11-17; Jeremiah 4:23-27; Matthew 13:35, 2 Petrr 3:6-7; Ephesians 1:4; Hebrew 4:3; 9:26; Eevelation 13:8; 17:8.
Earth’s First Sinful Career (Genesis 1:2; Isaiah 14:1-14; Jeremiah 4:23-26; Ezekiel 28:11-17; 2 Peter3:5-6). Of. 117-129. Jerry Kelso
 
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old wise guy,

1. Jude is true about the angels leaving their first estate and habitation.
Lucifer was profaned and cast down to the ground are literal.
Isaiah 14:12-14, Luke 10:18. Since this true he was cast down before kings Ezekiel 28:17, who were a part of the nations in Isaiah who were weakened. He would not be weakening the angels that sinned with him and revolted with him.
Goy is translated for sanctuaries or nations and means non Jews or gentiles.
Still if it is true the Pre-Adamite world would be different th and in our human race. It doesn’t really say.

2. The thing that is true is Jeremiah 4:23-26 says there is no
23: I veld the earth and lo, it was without form and void and the heavens and they had no light
24: I beheld the mountains and lo they trembled and all the hills moved lightly.
25: I behold and lo there was no man and all the birds of the heaven were fled.
26: I beheld and lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness and all the cities thereof were broken down at the pretense of the Lord and by his fierce anger.
This chapter of a desolation with Genesis 1:2 compared to the land of Israel being totally desolate but not make a full end.

3. Dake’s Plan for Man pg. 128 has 20 contrasts between the flood of Lucifer and the flood of Noah.
Isaiah 14:12-14; Ezekiel 28:11-17; Jeremiah 4:23-27; Matthew 13:35, 2 Petrr 3:6-7; Ephesians 1:4; Hebrew 4:3; 9:26; Eevelation 13:8; 17:8.
Earth’s First Sinful Career (Genesis 1:2; Isaiah 14:1-14; Jeremiah 4:23-26; Ezekiel 28:11-17; 2 Peter3:5-6). Of. 117-129. Jerry Kelso

It is widely believed that the narratives transition between the literal king of Babylon and the King and Prince of Tyrus as a type of Lucifer. The reference in Isaiah 14 seems to be inset, a parenthetical statement.
 
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Probably angelic beings that were able to enjoy the pleasures of the Eden-like earth that was prepared for them as their estate and habitation (Jude vs:6). They sang and shouted for joy when God laid the foundations. (Job 38:7)

Genesis 1: 26-27 is actually quite revealing if the emphasis is put on the right words. It reveals that Man was to be a new and different creation from the angels or any other living thing God had created.

26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

The new Man was to be different from anything ever created by God.
what is your opinion on homo-erectus and the Australopithecus? My current understanding, is that Australopithecus was a type of ape, and homo-erectus a species similar to neanderthal, or homo-sapiens, but earlier. They might have been able to interbreed, if they hadn't gone extinct 1.8 m yrs ago.
If there is a gap, and I think there is, then where would you put homo-erectus? Before or after the gap?
I have been thinking that the days of Genesis 1 are not literal days, as the sun and moon had not been made until the fourth day. Or as some believe that they were switched off - not producing any light.
Also, there is no night mentioned at all, which makes me think that the account is talking about the final condition, rather than strictly creation. There have always been predation, despite what the YECs say about the fall - bats have always been insectivores etc.
 
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Doesn't really explain "Let the land produce..."? What does "it was so" mean? The command/fiat to the land and/or water is mediate not immediate, and would clearly imply a process. The structure of Gen. 1 should require a little thought and critical thinking...

Shame you haven't applied some thinking to what the bible says.
'Let the land produce' means that plants grew.
'and it was so' God spoke and it happened.

You are trying to read long ages into what the bible says is a period of 24 hours.
 
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