Does God Control Nature ? Poll

St_Worm2 said:

Our weather is most often controlled by Martians (you know, the little green fellows you see in all the pictures, sitting around a campfire roasting marshmallows together on the dark side of the moon). But I probably didn't need to tell you that, it being common knowledge and all

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How do we even know there is a dark side of the Moon, it might be like half a big Walnut shell, and where would they get those marshmallows from, huh?

I can see that you have deep understanding; learned one

These deep thoughts once occured to me also after fasting for two weeks and then ending up sleeping in a cow field - I had a vision that they have a Tesco Express up there.
Also in the vision there was a mysterious vapour which I need to interpret wisely however this could have been their Costa coffee machine malfunctioning.

Learn ed one, take heed, their technology is not so sophisticated that they will conquer us.

Sharky and George said:

I can see that you have deep understanding; learned one

These deep thoughts once occured to me also after fasting for two weeks and then ending up sleeping in a cow field - I had a vision that they have a Tesco Express up there.
Also in the vision there was a mysterious vapour which I need to interpret wisely however this could have been their Costa coffee machine malfunctioning.

Learn ed one, take heed, their technology is not so sophisticated that they will conquer us.

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I don't know if I am just sleepy here in the UK or you guys are sleepy too, looking forward to your morning coffee but I am worried I have offended you.
I did offer to talk about the storms. Hope I have not caused offense - sorry if I have.

Night night and bless you both.

God came talk to a friend that said.. if you find just 10 righteous.. He said..if I find just 10. Yet we find just one..lot. And He said "as long as you are still here I can do NOTHING". No matter what Lot thought.. say GOD WARNED him but lot didnt leave. OOPS died anyway. No.. as long as he was still there GOD..a GOD could do nothing.

Yet we see so many storms quakes and the like kill all in its path the righteous and unrighteous. So where, when did God change? Did not Jesus say...if you make them (the ones praising him) be quite the the rocks will cry out.. huh? Did not the Father tell Israel if you do the same sins as those other nations the earth will spit you out. Or "For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now." Whole creation?

Yeah.. EVERTHING this GOD makes is alive. So we see so much sin.. and this sin has an effect on this world. So most the time a quake is just a quake and a storm is just a storm. But do you PRAY for it to be stopped? To not hit so hard but soft or the like? The storm that almost killed the 12 and Jesus was not of God...yet Christ made it stop.. the SAME GOD IN YOU! And we did what? We blame GOD..we take no action. As if this GOD now kills steals and destroys. So many of us think..they deserve it. Yet the great I AM says.. NO! What they deserve I gave already..the CROSS! You think Christ just DIED for your PERSONALLY SINS. So no nature is not being used the way man thinks.

SIN in this world has a price. STAND on what HE promised you and then what hits on the left or right will NOT come near you. Jesus goes into a town and this time all this GOD could do was lay hands on a few and teach. Doubt... read HIS WORD. He cant go against YOUR feel will. And He can NEVER EVER brake HIS WORD. So if JOHN 3:16 is TRUE.. wow what else this GOD said is true?

I could not answer this question truthfully. He does for GOOD..but that was left out. MAN does good and bad.. God can only do good.

I differ again with what you are saying.

Why do people say ... you must believe exactly like I do, and if you dont see 'eye to eye' with me ... then you do not believe in the Bible. That is not a statement of love and understanding. It is a statement that you want people to believe **exactly** what you believe, and only that.

If you believe that God creates every volcano to act with a specific 'purpose' ... then you believe the recent eruption in Guatemala was intentional in all ways. So you believe ... 300 people were fried in their own skins, and barbequed in their own homes, because God wanted this to happen. REALLY??? That would paint a picture of a God who is whimsical, equally kind or cruel, and completely unpredictable. That takes us all the way back to the days of the Romans, with warring gods who kick people around like footballs.

I leave it to you ... how to resolve this 'disconnect' in your own system of beliefs.

I do not have that view. I am perfectly happy to believe that God created all the things of the Universe, but He did not give them secret powers and thoughts. Volcanoes do not make plans, or construct schemes. They spew out lava, and its path is often completely unpredictable. With this view I can see a Loving God in our Universe.

Blessings!!

gideon123 said:

I differ again with what you are saying.

Why do people say ... you must believe exactly like I do, and if you dont see 'eye to eye' with me ... then you do not believe in the Bible. That is not a statement of love and understanding. It is a statement that you want people to believe **exactly** what you believe, and only that.

If you believe that God creates every volcano to act with a specific 'purpose' ... then you believe the recent eruption in Guatemala was intentional in all ways. So you believe ... 300 people were fried in their own skins, and barbequed in their own homes, because God wanted this to happen. REALLY??? That would paint a picture of a God who is whimsical, equally kind or cruel, and completely unpredictable. That takes us all the way back to the days of the Romans, with warring gods who kick people around like footballs.

I leave it to you ... how to resolve this 'disconnect' in your own system of beliefs.

I do not have that view. I am perfectly happy to believe that God created all the things of the Universe, but He did not give them secret powers and thoughts. Volcanoes do not make plans, or construct schemes. They spew out lava, and its path is often completely unpredictable. With this view I can see a Loving God in our Universe.

Blessings!!

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Gideon123, of course I agree with you. Every cause of nature is not the will of God.

When I said God is sovereign, I meant that God has the power to control everything, the weather etc. But He is not always doing so for reasons we don't know. God allows bad things to happen, but at the cross He conquerad all evil.

"Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out" /John 12:31

St_Worm2 said:

Our weather is most often controlled by Martians (you know, the little green fellows you see in all the pictures, sitting around a campfire roasting marshmallows together on the dark side of the moon). But I probably didn't need to tell you that, it being common knowledge and all God controls these things or it is just some random natural events...Thanks Click to expand...

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Mark 4:41 even the sea obeys him.
Genesis 7:4 God caused the rain to fall. God made the wind pass over Noah.
Psalms 135:7 God makes lightning, vapors, and rain.
Exodus 14:21 God divided the waters to help Moses.
1Corinthians 10:1 God doesn't want you to be ignorant about who is in control of the earth and everything in it

You have a deep misunderstanding of SCIENCE. Your science teacher was not your friend. You need to go back and re-read your textbooks.

If you argue that God "controls" every event, you will be like those people in Italy.

Do you understand what I am saying?

Sometimes Italy has violent earthquakes. Houses are destroyed, whole villages are destroyed. Families are buried in the rubble. And children are killed.

Do you know what happens afterwards? In Italy? After one of these earthquakes, women walk in the middle of the street, and they shake their fists at the sky. What are they doing???

They are screaming vile insults at God. Yes, they are insulting God. But why? Why would people do this? You dont believe me? My wife lived in Italy. She saw it with her own eyes.

These people were taught by the church that God controls all things. So when a violent earthquake happens ... God deliberately caused this ... this is what they think. And so God murders families and small children. That is the direct conclusion, if you think 'God controls everything'.

Do you want to be walking down the street, screaming insults at God? What kind of viewpoint is this? Nothing that I see in the New Testament.

In the Universe, God created processes with order, and processes with disorder. Random events are part of God's plan, they happen naturally. They are not evil, but they are unpredictable, unknowable to us. The exact time of an earthquake - we cannot understand it. It is random.

When two football teams start a game, they toss a coin. One team gets the ball. The other team defends one end of the field. The decision is based on a "fair coin toss". That is not an evil.event. It is just a fair toss of a coin.

Random things are not evil.
They are a part of the way that God created the Universe. Accidents happen, they are not always evil or sinful. They are just accidents.

Watch the movie Jurassic Park. The scientist Malcom is right. Random things happen, chaos happens. These things are also a part of God's creation.

In the NT, Christ does exert control over the weather and also the sea. but He does it in a good way. He does not use that power to harm people, only to do good.

Go back and read your science textbooks. Processes that create order, and processes that are unpredictable (random processes) ... they are all a part of God's Universe.

Blessings!!

St_Worm2 said:

Our weather is most often controlled by Martians (you know, the little green fellows you see in all the pictures, sitting around a campfire roasting marshmallows together on the dark side of the moon). But I probably didn't need to tell you that, it being common knowledge and all

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he-man said:

Mark 4:41 even the sea obeys him.
Genesis 7:4 God caused the rain to fall. God made the wind pass over Noah.
Psalms 135:7 God makes lightning, vapors, and rain.
Exodus 14:21 God divided the waters to help Moses.
1Corinthians 10:1 God doesn't want you to be ignorant about who is in control of the earth and everything in it

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Seriously He-Man, you answered what I said above with Scripture

I was just having a little fun with our new/funny member, Sharky and George (read back a few posts before it and you'll see).

If you'd like to read what I believe about this topic, I have several posts that address that in this thread, beginning here:

Does God Control Nature ? Poll

Yours and His,
David
p.s. - it might also help you to know that I believe our Confession is correct when it says:

God is in control of the life of all sparrows as none can fall to the ground without the Father. You can assume then all things are under His control to do with as He wishes. God can certainly also allow natural processes to take place, it is whatever He has ordained that will occur. Pretty amazing, but God can not be the creator making everything from things that do not exist and not also be able to do anything He wishes with everything He has made.

Matthew 10:29 Are not two sparrows sold for a copper coin? And not one of them falls to the ground apart from your Father’s will.

A sparrow is a tiny seemingly insignificant bird. Christ spoke this as an example to the disciples that God's will is at work in His creation. We don't need to know the why, just that this is true.

I said NO, but I want to qualify my remark. God doesn't sit around and direct each and every earthquake or hurricane.. That's why I voted no. It says in the Bible that God was not in the earthquake or the wind, but in the still small voice.
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What God HAS done is devised the Laws of Nature when he created the universe. I.e. Gravity. Electromagnetism. Etc. Because of these laws, we have hot air and cold air interacting with each other in certain ways, giving rise to tornadoes. Because of these laws, we have Plate Tectonics governing earthquakes and volcanoes. IOW, because God is the author of Nature and Nature's laws, he is in this manner in control of natural disasters.

Open Heart said:

I said NO, but I want to qualify my remark. God doesn't sit around and direct each and every earthquake or hurricane.. That's why I voted no. It says in the Bible that God was not in the earthquake or the wind, but in the still small voice.
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What God HAS done is devised the Laws of Nature when he created the universe. I.e. Gravity. Electromagnetism. Etc. Because of these laws, we have hot air and cold air interacting with each other in certain ways, giving rise to tornadoes. Because of these laws, we have Plate Tectonics governing earthquakes and volcanoes. IOW, because God is the author of Nature and Nature's laws, he is in this manner in control of natural disasters.

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God is in direct control of natural forces, but those forces are not divine, not God, so God is not there.
Many false religions ascribe to nature divinity, but God is not there. God is in relationship with mankind which is why God is in the still small voice with Elijah a type of His people whom He knows.
You got to remember God uses nature to judge the world, by fire and water and earthquakes God enters into judgement with mankind, Noah's flood is a perfect example.

Luke 17:27
They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
2 Chronicles 34:24
Thus says the Lord, Behold, I will bring disaster upon this place and upon its inhabitants, all the curses that are written in the book that was read before the king of Judah.
Amos 3:6
Is a trumpet blown in a city, and the people are not afraid? Does disaster come to a city, unless the Lordhas done it?

Open Heart said:

I said NO, but I want to qualify my remark. God doesn't sit around and direct each and every earthquake or hurricane.. That's why I voted no. It says in the Bible that God was not in the earthquake or the wind, but in the still small voice.
What God HAS done is devised the Laws of Nature when he created the universe. I.e. Gravity. Electromagnetism. Etc. Because of these laws, we have hot air and cold air interacting with each other in certain ways, giving rise to tornadoes. Because of these laws, we have Plate Tectonics governing earthquakes and volcanoes. IOW, because God is the author of Nature and Nature's laws, he is in this manner in control of natural disasters.

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God is in control. Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil, I the Lord do all these things. KJV; Nah 1:3 Jehovah has His way in the hurricane YLT; Isaiah 29:6 Thou shall be visited of the Lord of hosts with earthquakes, hurricanes, thunder, and the flame of destroying fire. KJV; Isaiah 54:16 I have created the waster to destroy KJV; Genesis 8:1

sdowney717 said:

You got to remember God uses nature to judge the world, by fire and water and earthquakes God enters into judgement with mankind, Noah's flood is a perfect example.

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The story of Noah is a teaching story to illustrate that God hates sin, and sinning has consequences.

I don't think it's a good idea to see an earthquake and say, "Look! Good is judging them!"

I remember when I was younger there was a case of tornado weather, and the Christians in a certain town had gathered in their church to pray. When the tornado came, it touched down on their church, killing many of them, leaving all the shops and homes around it untouched.

St_Worm2 said:

If God doesn't at least "ordain"/allow all the things you mentioned above to happen, IOW, if He is 'not' in control of all things and things happen in this world w/o His foreknowledge and consent, can He actually be considered "God"

Yours and His,
David

Isaiah 45
6c I am the LORD, and there is no other,
7 The One forming light and creating darkness,
Causing well-being and creating calamity;
I am the LORD who does all these things.​

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Right. He allows us to "run to and fro," as well as the rest of His creation (celestials/principalities included.)

Nothing does anything without the authority of the Most High God. But, The Most High has allowed some to do exploits - if anything for reason of judging us (i.e. allowing something/someone else have authority over us to show us why we should not disobey and leave the Most High God.)

sdowney717 said:

God is in direct control of natural forces, but those forces are not divine, not God, so God is not there.
Many false religions ascribe to nature divinity, but God is not there. God is in relationship with mankind which is why God is in the still small voice with Elijah a type of His people whom He knows.
You got to remember God uses nature to judge the world, by fire and water and earthquakes God enters into judgement with mankind, Noah's flood is a perfect example.

Luke 17:27
They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
2 Chronicles 34:24
Thus says the Lord, Behold, I will bring disaster upon this place and upon its inhabitants, all the curses that are written in the book that was read before the king of Judah.
Amos 3:6
Is a trumpet blown in a city, and the people are not afraid? Does disaster come to a city, unless the Lordhas done it?

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Maybe you could document for us what sin was being acted on by God in Pennsylvania today.

JIMINZ said:

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Maybe you could document for us what sin was being acted on by God in Pennsylvania today.

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Till the end, desolations are determined.
And people shall grow worse and worse until the end.
Paul wrote in the last days perilous times will come.
We are 2000 yrs further along into the last days than back in their day.
2 Timothy 3 King James Version (KJV)
3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.

10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.

12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

sdowney717 said:

Till the end, desolations are determined.
And people shall grow worse and worse until the end.
Paul wrote in the last days perilous times will come.
We are 2000 yrs further along into the last days than back in their day.
2 Timothy 3 King James Version (KJV)
3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.

10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.

12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

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But San Francisco still stands a bastion of Homosexuality,.....cool go figure.