Do you believe God does NOT love everyone?
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I said earlier that I didnt think is always what we would consider good, but that he is always holy and f you think holy is good then he is always good. I have also said (I think on here) that the wages of sin is death. It may be that by being killed by God these people have paid the price for their sin.
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3. Unless the Holy Spirit opens our minds to God then we will always resist him and cannot understand him. We will look on his works with suspicion and not view him as good.
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I would say the above misrepresents what I have written and what my position is because incomplete. I do not believe God loves everyone in the sense of final mercy; I do not believe God loves everyone as concerns salvation in Christ. God hardens some, etc.
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I've stated before that "good" means morally correct and righteous, and I never made it conditional on us considering it good. I'm fairly certain the Bible teaches that God is morally correct & righteous regardless of peoples' personal feelings. The question, really, is whether or not you agree with what the Bible teaches.
I really don't know what that has to do with the question.
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Nowhere did I limit the kind of love I'm talking about to "final mercy" or salvific love alone, and I do not believe agape love is limited to that sense.
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Ok, well, I really have no clue what your position is then. If you think God loves everyone in some kind of way, then you don't need to respond further. If you do not, and you think God is always morally good and righteous, then go ahead and answer the follow up of post #78. I'm done trying to define "love" and "morally good & righteous", as I believe it's been covered enough for people to answer, and it's really time to move on.
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There is absolutely no doubt that God loves everyone. He did create life on this planet, after all. There is also no doubt that God does not love everyone equally.
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I will never see the value in this question or the value of fixating on it.
Let’s hypothetically say God does not love everyone, but instead loves some and hates all others, what good is this to the believer? We are called to love God above all else and our neighbors as ourselves. There is no opt out clause given on this in the event God may hate your neighbor, nor does God reveal who He “hates” to us, so we are left with applying loving our neighbor to everyone regardless of their standing with God. Whether or not God loves everyone has zero impact on what we are to do as believers.
The theology of God not loving everyone is very important to Calvinists, as they use the idea for validation of their views on election, but every Calvinist I know is so fixated on proving God hates some people (if not most), that they spend all their time trying to prove this and rarely ever expound on God’s goodness, grace or mercy. I realize there are exceptions to this, I am merely relating my experience with Calvinists.
Unfortunately, the theology of God “hating” all but the elect often leads to doubts amongst believers about their eternal security, and even worse, abandonment of their faith altogether. Some believers struggling with certain sins eventually conclude they are not elect, and therefore, God hates them...leading them to abandon their faith altogether.
The truth is that the word tells us God is love. It tells us that while we were still enemies of God, He sent his son to die for us. The word says that Jesus stands at the door and knocks, wanting us to let Him in to fellowship with us. It also tells us that He is faithful and just to forgive our sins if we confess them to Him. The Gospel is good news, not bad news.
Let’s hypothetically say God does not love everyone, but instead loves some and hates all others, what good is this to the believer? We are called to love God above all else and our neighbors as ourselves. There is no opt out clause given on this in the event God may hate your neighbor, nor does God reveal who He “hates” to us, so we are left with applying loving our neighbor to everyone regardless of their standing with God. Whether or not God loves everyone has zero impact on what we are to do as believers.
The theology of God not loving everyone is very important to Calvinists, as they use the idea for validation of their views on election, but every Calvinist I know is so fixated on proving God hates some people (if not most), that they spend all their time trying to prove this and rarely ever expound on God’s goodness, grace or mercy. I realize there are exceptions to this, I am merely relating my experience with Calvinists.
Unfortunately, the theology of God “hating” all but the elect often leads to doubts amongst believers about their eternal security, and even worse, abandonment of their faith altogether. Some believers struggling with certain sins eventually conclude they are not elect, and therefore, God hates them...leading them to abandon their faith altogether.
The truth is that the word tells us God is love. It tells us that while we were still enemies of God, He sent his son to die for us. The word says that Jesus stands at the door and knocks, wanting us to let Him in to fellowship with us. It also tells us that He is faithful and just to forgive our sins if we confess them to Him. The Gospel is good news, not bad news.
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#3 is pretty spot on. God defines what is good. Keep in mind though, there are things permissible for God, and not for the elect. God has every right to do with us exactly as He pleases. We are His creation.
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I did read the OP and followed it to the letter. I did not engage in any argument with anyone here. Yes, I clearly stated that I do not believe that God loves everyone equally. Because of this you can conclude that God hates some people, because He doesn't love them as much as others, or that He loves everyone because He doesn't snuff out those He hates immediately.
Do you believe that God loves everyone equally?
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Neither the thread title nor the OP says anything about "equally". You already said:
... which means the questions I'm asking aren't for you.
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Because you keep asking them on what seems to be some sort of logical progression. I am hoping there will be a culmination of thought resulting in a logical conclusion.
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