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Unsaved Jews, not of Abraham's seed, but Isaac's seed.

Israel of God - saved Jews, i.e. Jews who are children of God, by virtue of believing upon the Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus is Abraham's seed



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Jews are Issac's seed, which through Issac, Abraham would have a huge number of descendants. By God's pronouncement to Sarah.

However, of all the Jews by the flesh, of them, only the Jews who are saved (Christians) are the children of God, to be the Israel of God.


The church universal is not the Israel of God. No-one becomes a Jew by virtue of becoming a Christian.

So Jews of the flesh, those who have become Jews of the Spirit, are going to inherit all the promises made to Israel.

Not correct at all! You make this doctrine up! You do not receive what God's Word says concerning the Gentile Elect of the New Testament Congregation.

In Romans 11:17, God is making the distinction between the natural olive tree branches (the Jewish people, who are naturally of Covenant Israel) which are the original children, and the wild olive tree branches (the people of the Gentile nations) which were not naturally His covenant people, but that are now brought into God's Covenant relationship with Israel.

Galatians 3:26-29
  • "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
  • For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
  • There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
  • And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
Both Jew and Gentile are made one body of this Covenant tree, Israel. Both are now the Children of Israel, by the faith of Christ. Has the Promise to Israel of a New Covenant and an everlasting inheritance been abrogated? No, but Israel shall be defined by God, not you, not me, or any man. If we are in Christ Israel, then we are all Abraham's seed and inheritors of the promises to Israel. Gentiles included!

By the same token, those branches broken off (Jewish people who were not truly saved, and are blinded) they are not considered true Israel in God's eyes. In the Biblical vernacular, they have been cut off from their people. That is the illustration that we saw in Romans chapter nine declaring that, "they are not all Israel, which are of Israel." Some in covenant Israel have no Root, and thus are not in Christ, the True Seed of Israel. They are those who are cut off from the tree (Covenant Israel) and are made spiritually blind, as some Gentiles have been grafted in, their blindness lifted as they are made to see. Gentiles are now part of Covenant Israel right along with the remnant like the Apostle Peter, Paul and all Jewish people (believers) who rest in Christ. This includes any Jewish Christians today. They are the Jewish remnant and together we make up this Covenant Israel tree. Together we abide in the House that is Christ, Israel. All theological rhetoric not aside, there are not two Godly trees, nor two New Covenants (Testaments) with Israel. There is one children of God, which is the body of Christ consisting of Jews and Gentiles. This is just as Ephesians so boldly declares on this matter:

Ephesians 2:11-20
  • "Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
  • That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
  • But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
  • For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
  • Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
  • And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
  • And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
  • For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
  • Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
  • And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;"
Where once we were Gentiles, strangers and aliens (noncitizens) of the commonwealth of Israel, we are now fellow citizens. How much clearer does it have to be? We are no longer foreigners or strangers from the Covenant, but are fellow saints. The blood of Christ makes us near. The question is, made near to what? The answer is that, "made nigh by the blood of Christ," is in answer to how we were once, "aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise." there can be no mistaking its meaning.

Next time, please back your doctrine up with what Scripture actually says, not what you think the verse implies.
 
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Both Jew and Gentile are made one body of this Covenant tree, Israel.
Romans11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:


What were they cutoff from because of their unbelief ? The Kingdom of God

The tree is not Israel, but the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God was taken from that generation who rejected Jesus.

By the same token, those branches broken off (Jewish people who were not truly saved, and are blinded) they are not considered true Israel in God's eyes.
You are mistakened. They were cutoff from being included in the Kingdom of God.
  • "Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
  • That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
This is referring to the gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven was originally taken to Israel, not the gentiles...

Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

and thus are not in Christ, the True Seed of Israel.
Where in the bible are you finding "Christ, the True Seed of Israel" ?
 
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Romans11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:


What were they cutoff from because of their unbelief ? The Kingdom of God

The tree is not Israel, but the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God was taken from that generation who rejected Jesus.

Paul is clear about the good Olive Tree, Israel. It is a covenant with Israel where the root and fatness of the Kingdom of God can be found! Selah!

Romans 11:17
[17] And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

You are mistakened. They were cutoff from being included in the Kingdom of God.

They were cut off because of their unbelief.

This is referring to the gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven was originally taken to Israel, not the gentiles...

According to who? You or God?

Romans 11:25
"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in."​

This has become one of the most controversial verses of scriptures, which many theologians either misunderstand, misinterpret, or simply choose to believe that it declares something that it simply does not declare.

Israel, in part, is blinded. The question is, what Israel is this? Well, we have to remember that Paul is talking to the Romans (Gentiles), saying that they have no reason to boast, and declaring that part of Israel (the election) obtained the promises, and the rest were blinded. So clearly we see that the Israel in part that were blinded, are the majority of Israel. And just as clearly we see that there is an Israel that obtained the promises, which God calls the election, or the Chosen. Both God calls Israel. One may ask, how can that be? It can be because they all were collectively the olive tree Israel, or corporate covenant Israel. For the Jewish people in part who rejected Christ, judgment has come upon them for the hardness of their heart, as they are pictured as branches broken off or blinded. That is the reason that Paul was sorrowful when he was explaining that, "all are not Israel who are of Israel." And note he is also referencing two Israelis' there. He spoke in Romans 9:6 of Israel, the corporate entity. And He spoke of the Israel within "that" Israel, which he declares is the only "real" Israel of God. By saying they are "not" all Israel, which are of Israel, God makes it perfectly clear that there are two Israelis. And only one of them is the Israel of God. The one who "are" the Israel of God is the remnant within that Israel that are not blinded. They are the election which have obtained the promises.

The meat of the controversy comes in the phrase, "Blindness in part has happened unto Israel till the fullness of the Gentiles be come in." Many people are confused as to what this declaration really means? But it is simply building upon what Paul has just stated. He said he doesn't want them to be ignorant of "the mystery" which is that the Gentiles are to be part of this very same "One Body," which is Covenant Israel. He has spoken of the revelation of the mystery that has always been God's plan. Jew and Gentile alike as one people together as one family of God.

Ephesians 1:9-10
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in Himself.
[10] That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

In the fullness of time, it was revealed that the Gentiles would also be a part of Covenant Israel. That is the mystery kept secret from the foundation of the world, but is now revealed. Salvation to the Jew first, and then salvation to the Gentiles. There is no special dispensation of time for Jews only nor the third salvation for Jewish people after the Gentiles. It is the Jew first, and then the Gentiles. Thus all have the same opportunity to be Children of God. God has revealed the mystery that has been hid from other ages, and Paul doesn't want the Romans to be ignorant or unknowledgeable about this mystery. Gentiles are the fellow heirs with the Jews, not a body apart from the Jews. This is the same mystery Paul wrote to the Ephesians about:

Ephesians 3:3-6
[3] How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
[4] Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
[5] Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
[6] That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:"

Not a different body, not a different family, not a different congregation, nor a separate inheritance apart from the Jews, but the Gentiles are fellow heirs of the same body, and partakers of the "same" promise to their fathers, and enjoying the same fatness of the Covenant Olive tree. This is the Kingdom of God! Selah! They are being grafted into this same Covenant Israel. History shows Salvation went to the Jews first, but because of unbelief, the Jew is blinded. And that blindness will last until the Gentiles coming in to their full state. For example, there are no more Gentiles coming in after their "fullness," and this rules out any alleged program of evangelization of the Gentiles by the Jews after their blindness is supposed to be lifted. their corporate blindness will remain until there is not one other Gentile left to be saved. Until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. This does not mean that there would be a conversion of the majority of the Jewish nation sometime after this fullness of the Gentile, rather it illustrates their blindness or hardness of heart would last until no more Gentiles are being saved.

Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

The command to go not in the way of the Gentiles is a directive before the cross (to the Jew first), and it also has a spiritual connotation of not casting pearls before swine. The second is a directive to the church that would be after His death, illustrating an international salvation program, spiritually the true Israel of God which is The Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.

Where in the bible are you finding "Christ, the True Seed of Israel" ?

Haven't you read the Scripture and receive it?

Gal 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
 
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They were cut off because of their unbelief.
They were cut off from the Kingdom of God - because of unbelief.

Doug wrote - This is referring to the gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven was originally taken to Israel, not the gentiles...

TS wrote -According to who? You or God?

I gave you the exact text.

Here it is again....

Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

and you write back....

"The command to go not in the way of the Gentiles is a directive before the cross (to the Jew first), and it also has a spiritual connotation of not casting pearls before swine. The second is a directive to the church that would be after His death, illustrating an international salvation program, spiritually the true Israel of God which is The Lost Sheep of the House of Israel."

...well, you are wrong in your statement on not casting pearls before swine, but regardless, the gentiles were not included, and as Paul said were without hope.


The meat of the controversy comes in the phrase, "Blindness in part has happened unto Israel till the fullness of the Gentiles be come in."

The meat is that you are making up your own terms. And are confusing the Kingdom of God with the Kingdom of Israel. The Kingdoms of this world will become the Kingdoms of God and his Christ. The Kingdom of God is made up of peoples from all nations, kindred's and tongues. Israel and Jews are just one of them.

Haven't you read the Scripture and receive it?

Gal 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
It does not say "Christ, the true seed of Israel." You are making up your own terms to go with the theology you hold, commonly known as replacement theology.
 
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They were cut off from the Kingdom of God - because of unbelief.

Cut off from Covenant Tree Israel which "is" Kingdom of God. Deal with it.

I gave you the exact text.

And you understand it?

Here it is again....

Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Do you realize when did Jesus tell this to the twelve? Before the Cross? Think about it.

The meat is that you are making up your own terms. And are confusing the Kingdom of God with the Kingdom of Israel. The Kingdoms of this world will become the Kingdoms of God and his Christ. The Kingdom of God is made up of peoples from all nations, kindred's and tongues. Israel and Jews are just one of them.

The Kingdom of Israel. The Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of Heaven. All speaking about the same covenant kingdom of God.

It is very clear that Christ knew exactly what He had come to do, and there was no change of plans because Israel rejected Him. Nothing Thwarts God's Plans. There is nothing at all about the first advent of Christ which was unexpected by God. I know Premillennialists teach that when the Jewish people rejected Christ, the kingdom was postponed, but that is something that they have "read Into" the scriptures, not something that is actually there. And such teachings imply that the Church was really brought in by accident.

Ephesians 1:4
  • "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:"
It was always meant to be Salvation to the world, and that all of "The Israel of God" would be saved by the fullness of the Gentiles coming in among the Jews, also becoming citizens of the commonwealth of Israel (Ephesians 2:11-13). Thus God has always ordained a restoration of Israel from a global source. All the children of God chosen from before the foundation of the world, are the Israel of God who would be restored. Gentiles were not penciled in after Israel rejected Christ, they were predestinated from before the foundation of the world.

Matthew 8:10-12
  • "When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
  • And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
  • But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Christ had always known the rejection of Israel and the reconciliation of the world. The only "substitute" the Bible knows about is Christ (Israel), as He was the substitute for us as He stood in to suffer for our sins. It is by this suffering that Israel is restored. It is by His stripes Israel is healed. Healed and restored are synonymous in this sense.

This is the Restoration of Israel, and it is not Replacement Theology, as you teach. It is "Inclusion Theology." For example, the Gentiles, chosen of God, have been "included" in the Kingdom of Israel. The physical land of Israel was NOT in view, and all the Jewish people of Israel have NEVER been the true Israel (Romans 9:6). The true Israel of God has always been a spiritual people. A remnant then, and a remnant now. The only difference is that now, a larger remnant of the Gentiles are also included on a worldwide scale. A larger portion of the Jews first, then a larger portion of the Gentiles last. Selah!

It does not say "Christ, the true seed of Israel." You are making up your own terms to go with the theology you hold, commonly known as replacement theology.

I do not have to. Paul did! Sounds like you are offended by Paul's writing:

Gal 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Your problem. Not mine.
 
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Cut off from Covenant Tree Israel which "is" Kingdom of God. Deal with it.
You are making up your own terms that project concepts that misrepresent what the bible is saying.

Do you realize when did Jesus tell this to the twelve? Before the Cross? Think about it.
Of course, which Paul was saying to the gentiles who had become Christians and consequent have been included in the Kingdom of God - were alien to Israel, i.e. not included before the cross.

What you are not getting is Paul taking the gospel to the gentiles, it is gentiles being included in the Kingdom of God - not the Kingdom of Israel. That's your fundamental error.
 
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You are making up your own terms that project concepts that misrepresent what the bible is saying.

Prove me wrong with Scripture which is supposed to be your authority. Not your opinion without one.

Of course, which Paul was saying to the gentiles who had become Christians and have beien included in the Kingdom of God - were alien to Israel, i.e. not included before the cross.

And? That was what I was saying all along. I have quoted you Scripture confirming this before you even said it.
 
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You are making up your own terms that project concepts that misrepresent what the bible is saying.

Not at all.

The Olive Tree of Romans 11 is a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of believing Israelites and believing Gentiles grafted together into the same tree.
Only the unbelieving Israelite branches were "broken off" of the tree.
They can be grafted back into the tree, through faith in Christ.
There is no Plan B of salvation found in the passage, outside of the New Covenant Church.


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And? That was what I was saying all along. I have quoted you Scripture confirming this before you even said it.

No, you are saying the gentiles were not included in the Kingdom of Israel, but by virtue of becoming Christians, gentiles are now included in the Kingdom of Israel.

Differently, what Paul is saying that before the cross, the gentiles were not included Kingdom of God as it was preached to only the lost sheep of Israel. But following the cross, and Paul taking the gospel to the gentiles, now have being included in the Kingdom of God.

You concept of the Kingdom of God as being the Kingdom of Israel does not correspond to the text of the bible which describes Jesus's kingdom in Daniel 7. The Kingdom Israel is just one of those nations - to be within the Kingdom of God.

Daniel 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
 
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No, you are saying the gentiles were not included in the Kingdom of Israel, but by virtue of becoming Christians, gentiles are now included in the Kingdom of Israel.

That is what I was teaching all along! You are basically repeating my doctrine.

Differently, what Paul is saying that before the cross, the gentiles were not included Kingdom of God as it was preached to only the lost sheep of Israel.

Incorrect. You got the wrong idea about the alleged "lost tribes of Israel."

Romans 2:28-29
  • "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
  • But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."
The fact of the matter is, the New Testament gives no hint of alleged lost! We can only say, What distinction? Shall man put asunder what God has joined? Therefore we must conclude that by the preponderance of the biblical evidence, there is no continuing distinction made today between Jews and Israel and that the tribes of Israel were present in Israel when Jesus came to her.

The end of it all? God's Israelites are by Grace, not Race! The unconditional promises made to Israel have been fulfilled in Abraham's Seed! Not seeds as of many, but Seed as one, Christ (Galatians 3:16). Get it? Those who are in Christ are the blood-bought Israel of God, and these are those who constitute God's Elect, or Chosen people. Lost, but now found. Bound, but now free. Brought out of captivity in the Son Israel, called out of Egypt. This Son is not a geographical area nor a race, but Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 4:8
  • "Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men."
The Gift which is Salvation, freedom from bondage to Satan, freedom from serving sin, restoration of the Kingdom to Israel by the making of Christ to ascend on High, a King, reconciling the lost sheep of the house of Israel to God. The fulfillment of the prophesy of the eternal restored Kingdom, which has no end.
 
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(Doug wrote) No, you are saying the gentiles were not included in the Kingdom of Israel, but by virtue of becoming Christians, gentiles are now included in the Kingdom of Israel.

(TS wrote) That is what I was teaching all along! You are basically repeating my doctrine.

And what you are teaching is wrong. I was repeating what you said your doctrine was... and I am saying it is wrong because the Kingdom of God is not the same as the Kingdom of Israel.
 
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The Olive Tree of Romans 11 is a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of believing Israelites and believing Gentiles grafted together into the same tree.
Only the unbelieving Israelite branches were "broken off" of the tree.
They can be grafted back into the tree, through faith in Christ.
There is no Plan B of salvation found in the passage, outside of the New Covenant Church.
TS is saying in essence that your termed New Covenant Church is Covenant Israel. Is that what you believe, that you are part of the Kingdom of Israel ?
 
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And what you are teaching is wrong. I was repeating what you said your doctrine was... and I am saying it is wrong because the Kingdom of God is not the same as the Kingdom of Israel.

Yet, you have not proved this with a Scripture. I am waiting. You just made a claim that the kingdom of Israel is just a "nation" and is not same with the Kingdom of God.
 
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Yet, you have not proved this with a Scripture. I am waiting. You just made a claim that the kingdom of Israel is just a "nation" and is not same with the Kingdom of God.
Revelation 7:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

The kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ. They don't become the kingdom of Israel. The kingdom of God includes all kingdoms of this world.
 
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TS is saying in essence that your termed New Covenant Church is Covenant Israel. Is that what you believe, that you are part of the Kingdom of Israel ?
Revelation 7:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

The kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ. They don't become the kingdom of Israel. The kingdom of God includes all kingdoms of this world.

Sigh!

The Kingdom of our Lord has many names: The Kingdom of Israel.
The Kingdom of God.
The Kingdom of Heaven.
The Kingdom of Most High.
The kingdom of His Dear Son.
"Thy Kingdom come."
The Kingdom of Christ which is also the Kingdom of Israel for we are His body!

All of these which the Old Testament Israel and New Testament church as a congregation on earth merely REPRESENTATIVE of!

By the way, the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God are one and the same:

Matthew 19:23-24
[23] Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
[24] And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Clearly, the two phrases refer to the same thing. You have a carnal mind.
 
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TS is saying in essence that your termed New Covenant Church is Covenant Israel. Is that what you believe, that you are part of the Kingdom of Israel ?

What does God say about the covenant with Israel?

In the NKJV the Old Testament text is written in Uppercase letters.

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—(From Jeremiah 31:31-34.)
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE." (From Jeremiah 31:31-34)
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.


The New Covenant: Bob George



 
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BABerean2,

I am asking you -
Is your termed New Covenant Church is TS's termed Covenant Israel ?

Who was Peter talking to on the Day of Pentecost?

Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."

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Who was Peter talking to on the Day of Pentecost?

Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."

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You are being evasive.

I am asking you -
Is your termed New Covenant Church is TS's termed Covenant Israel ?

Can you not give me a straight yes or no? And then if you want give an explanation for your answer.
 
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