God does not love everyone and the Bible says so (Change My Mind)

With your confessed communication problems I might suggest taking them one by one straight through the list then I will provide some more for you to go through

Hammster said:

I was going to provide you a link to an article, but you refused.

So be it. Moving on.

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As I said, the Holy Spirit is all the teacher I need...listening to man tell me to dismiss what scripture clearly says is never going to make sense to me cause God is God, man is not.

See, Hammster, the key difference between you and I is that I accept scripture as my authority as interpreted by the indwelling HS you on the other hand allow teachers with convincing words to show you things that are not there...but be warned, scripture says I Corinthians 2:4...see I haven't had to resort to false accusations, goading, and flaming to make my point even though the record clearly shows you have. And you are an admin who should know better

Hammster said:

And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto myself.

Let’s look at the passage

“Now there were some Greeks among those who were going up to worship at the feast; these then came to Philip, who was from Bethsaida of Galilee, and began to ask him, saying, "Sir, we wish to see Jesus." Philip came and told Andrew; Andrew and Philip came and told Jesus. And Jesus answered them, saying, "The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. He who loves his life loses it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it to life eternal. If anyone serves Me, he must follow Me; and where I am, there My servant will be also; if anyone serves Me, the Father will honor him. "Now My soul has become troubled; and what shall I say, 'Father, save Me from this hour'? But for this purpose I came to this hour. Father, glorify Your name." Then a voice came out of heaven: "I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again." So the crowd of people who stood by and heard it were saying that it had thundered; others were saying, "An angel has spoken to Him." Jesus answered and said, "This voice has not come for My sake, but for your sakes. Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself." But He was saying this to indicate the kind of death by which He was to die.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:20-33

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be careful, the context says nothing at all about Jews verses Gentiles, that is your invention of the text...but let's not rely on that alone...strong's now I will just cut and paste the portion that addresses this issue....1. masculine and feminine every one, any one: in the singular, without any addition, Mark 9:49; Luke 16:16; Hebrews 2:9; followed by a relative pronoun, πᾶς ὅστις, Matthew 7:24; Matthew 10:32; πᾶς ὅς, Matthew 19:29 (L T Tr WH ὅστις); Galatians 3:10; πᾶς ὅς ἄν (ἐάν Tr WH), whosoever, Acts 2:21; πᾶς ἐξ ὑμῶν ὅς, Luke 14:33; with a participle which has not the article (Winer's Grammar, 111 (106)): παντός ἀκούοντος (if anyone heareth, whoever he is), Matthew 13:19; παντί ὀφείλοντι ἡμῖν, everyone owing (if he owe) us anything, unless ὀφείλοντι is to be taken substantively, every debtor of ours, Luke 11:4; with a participle which has the article and takes the place of a relative clause (Winer's Grammar, as above): πᾶςὁ ὀργιζόμενος, everyone that is angry, Matthew 5:22; add, Matthew 7:8; Luke 6:47; John 3:8, 20; John 6:45; Acts 10:43; Acts 13:39; Romans 1:16; Romans 2:10; Romans 12:3; 1 Corinthians 9:25; 1 Corinthians 16:16; Galatians 3:13; 1 John 2:23; 1 John 3:3f, 6, etc. Plural, πάντες, without any addition, all men: Matthew 10:22; Mark 13:13; Luke 20:38; Luke 21:17; John 1:7; John 3:31a(in 31b G T WH marginal reading omit the clause); John 5:23; 6:45; 12:32; Acts 17:25; Romans 10:12; 1 Corinthians 9:19; 2 Corinthians 5:14(2 Corinthians 5:15); Ephesians 3:9 (here T WH text omit; Lbrackets πάντας); of a certain definite whole: all (the people), Matthew 21:26; all(we who hold more liberal views), 1 Corinthians 8:1; all (the members of the church), 1 Corinthians 8:7; by hyperbole equivalent to the great majority, the multitude, John 3:26; all (just before mentioned), Matthew 14:20; Matthew 22:27; Matthew 27:22; Mark 1:27 (here T Tr WH ἅπαντες); Mark 1:37; Mark 6:39, 42; (Mark 11:32 Lachmann); Luke 1:63; Luke 4:15; John 2:15, 24, and very often; (all(about to be mentioned), διά πάντων namely, τῶν ἁγίων (as is shown by the following καί κτλ.), Acts 9:32). οἱ πάντες, all taken together, all collectively (cf. Winer's Grammar, 116 (110)): of all men, Romans 11:32; of a certain definite whole, Philippians 2:21; with the 1 person plural of the verb, 1 Corinthians 10:17; Ephesians 4:13; with a definite number, in all (cf. Buttmann, § 127, 29): ἦσαν δέ οἱ πάντες ἄνδρες ὡσεί δεκαδύο (or δώδεκα), Acts cut for space....

So you see, the Thayer's Lexicon which if you don't know what that is, is kind of like a dictionary of translations from Hebrew or Greek, says you are wrong....now, what should I believe? The Thayer's Lexicon which is a professional translational material, or you because you say so? Not hard to choose but you have many more passages to make your case with.

Oh, also notice I gave much more than "cause I say so"...I actually used an authority that has something to back it up.

It should be clear that by “all men” he didn’t mean every single person who ever lived. He’s referring to not just the Jews, but also the Greeks. So we can conclude that what is meant by “all” is all types.

Adding weight to this is John 6.

“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:44‬ ‭NASB‬‬

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now as to NO one can come passage...I asked you some time ago if you wanted to talk about that as it applies to the working of God in the persons life in order for them to come to the point of belief and you said no, you didn't want to talk about it. Why the change of heart? Yes, God works in us to bring us to a point of belief, but it is through witness, testimonies, scripture, etc. that are designed to cut to our hearts....He doesn't decide for us....and you have failed to show that He does.

If John 12 means all men, then all men will be raised up because all men are drawn.

So again, context is king.

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It appears you are jumping ahead of yourself again, it's no wonder you asked me to limit my posts to one point at a time...not sure your point...all men are called, all men are drawn we see that all the time, that is the very reason that atheists join these discussions and why a recent study showed that even non believers pray when they are in a crisis...but it also says that not all will accept that call, not all will come. See, being drawn does NOT equal coming.

Hammster said:

I accept scripture as authority. These ad hom posts need to stop.

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and yet you dismiss scripture...what do you think accepting scripture as authority means? Where I come from, accepting scripture as authority does NOT mean dismissing it every time I don't like what it says.

Hammster said:

Where does it say I’m wrong, and what exactly am I wrong about?

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read it...it says that it means all people, male and female, not kinds as you claimed...do you want me to post strong's website address so you can see the whole thing at once?

Hammster said:

I don’t dismiss scripture. That’s still a false accusation.

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you did when I asked you about Jesus words

Hammster said:

Okay. Then all will be raised on the last day.

Problem solved.

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only that is not what it says and we just talked about that...so you once again dismiss the evidence sitting right in front of you...which is up to you but not someplace I will follow you to.

Hammster said:

Never did.

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then answer the question rather than saying you don't believe the the scribs who were meticulous in their jobs made a mistake and added something they shouldn't have

On an unrelated note, a dumb skunk just dug up the lilac we planted a few days ago...argh

Hammster said:

If you are correct, and all men will be drawn, then all men will be raised. Jesus said so. I have a verse.

John 6:44

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do you want to play dueling scriptures, cause I can you know...Matthew 7:21-23 and others

we can do this all day but until your theology can reconcile all of scripture as mine does, you are still missing the heart of God as He revealed it through scripture.

Hammster said:

Yes. They did.

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prove it since they were more careful not to than most think is resonable